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A free-market utopia in the Detroit River?
UPI ^ | Jan. 12, 2013 | unattributed

Posted on 01/28/2013 11:16:18 AM PST by 1rudeboy

DETROIT, Jan. 12 (UPI) -- A Detroit-area developer says he wants to turn Belle Isle, a 982-acre park in the Detroit River, into a free market commonwealth with its own laws and currency.

Rodney Lockwood visualizes the Commonwealth of Belle Isle as an semi-autonomous city-state of 35,000 people, The Detroit News reported. There would be no income tax, with revenue coming from a property tax based on land value, and its political status would be similar to that of Puerto Rico.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: detroit

1 posted on 01/28/2013 11:16:22 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: cripplecreek

ping


2 posted on 01/28/2013 11:17:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy (Sorry, had to say it.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If they were serious they would build it some place else.


3 posted on 01/28/2013 11:17:16 AM PST by Noamie
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To: cripplecreek

Never mind my tagline. I forgot to clear it.


4 posted on 01/28/2013 11:18:43 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Noamie

Well, let’s see . . . “cheap” land, some semblence of infrastructure, close to a larger metropolitan area . . . .


5 posted on 01/28/2013 11:20:37 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Noamie

1000 acre islands are not available just any place,.....


6 posted on 01/28/2013 11:26:26 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: 1rudeboy; Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ..
Michigan is under new management and things are changing in Detroit because they have to.

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Weekly/biweekly Michigan legislative action thread
7 posted on 01/28/2013 11:53:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Well, let’s see . . . “cheap” land, some semblence of infrastructure, close to a larger metropolitan area . . . .

On a border with another first world nation, at the second busiest freight crossing on the continent.

What I've said about Detroit all along. Don't worry about the city, just do what's right for America and for Michigan, and the city will follow because they'll have to.
8 posted on 01/28/2013 11:59:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Actually one of the few intelligent things the Obama administration has approved of is opening a new patent office near the island on the waterfront.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 12:02:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

If I had $1 billion, I’d buy Belle Isle in a heartbeat.


10 posted on 01/28/2013 12:15:14 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Too bad the politicos in Detroit aren’t smart or honest enough to take this guy up on the deal. It’s a good idea.


11 posted on 01/28/2013 12:21:48 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Er... for the people they are asking to invest, money is not the important issue...

LOCATION.

“Frozen winters” sounds good to a group of people looking to build a nation of their own surrounded by water? Bad plan.

There are 1000 acre+ islands in many, many locations with mild climates. There are lots of large-scale commercial real estate agents that know of them off-hand.

Someone said it’s close to infrastructure.... I can’t help, but wonder if they read that it’s near Detroit?

So Detroit’s going to just give that stuff away on the cheap so a bunch of right-wing, low tax settlers can move next door? Oh, man....

Putting it near Detroit just means that it’s near an invading army of looters and criminals that can walk across the ice in the winter. Bad plan.


12 posted on 01/28/2013 12:32:15 PM PST by Noamie
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To: 1rudeboy
Its got a high dollar racing series that clearly wants to continue racing there if the concerns about street conditions can be overcome. There is power and sailboat racing on the river and air racing above it. The Detroit Tigers and Lions are right there downtown.

Despite popular misconceptions, Detroit is not all ghetto and the downtown area is quite nice and safe. (Detroit is an open carry city) There are vacant buildings downtown but they've been maintained to remain salvageable.

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I think the most important thing is the fact that Detroit has hit bottom and is now under increasing republican control from the state level. Unlike the democrats who kept handing the crack addict of the city a blank check, the republicans are dictating how and where money will be spent there.
13 posted on 01/28/2013 12:35:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Every April 1st for several years David Newman's talk show would do a segment on Belle Isle being sold by Detroit to the Sultan of Brunei.

Always was a hoot.

14 posted on 01/28/2013 12:41:35 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: 1rudeboy

And what would be the new currency? OBAMA BUCKS?


15 posted on 01/28/2013 12:42:15 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: cripplecreek
It'll never happen......Back in the early '90s when my dad was chief ranger for Stoney Creek Metro park, the Huron Clinton Metropolitan Authority (HCMP) made an offer to the city to take over the island and run it as one of their extremely efficient parks.

The city rejected the offer saying that the park should remain free to the public and of course the "public" was the residents of the city. Nobody from the suburbs steps foot on Belle Isle unless they're members of a reunion going on there......

People should see the ancient photos of Belle Isle during the 1940's and 50's, what a magnificient place it was.

As a side note, my grandfather was a sergeant with the DPOA and stationed on Belle Isle till he retired in 1962......

I have lots of fond memories of spending summer days on the island with my grandmother and grandfather..........

16 posted on 01/28/2013 4:01:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco; goat granny
Not to mention parking with a view of the Seven Sisters with your new girlfriend to watch the submarine races....


17 posted on 01/28/2013 6:47:28 PM PST by shove_it (the 0banana regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: shove_it
Watched the submarine races on Belle Isle a lot, got my first ticket for driving without a license there. My husband to be got a ticket for allowing me to drive his car without a license...Had to go to 8 hours of traffic school downtown, cause my dad had just retired from the police force and went in and talked to the judge before I was sent into his chambers.....dad knew just about everyone there, he kept saying “Hi” and we walked through the court house...He never mentioned it to me again....great father....GG
18 posted on 01/28/2013 10:41:54 PM PST by goat granny
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To: shove_it

All those structures in that picture are now gone....


19 posted on 01/29/2013 3:32:17 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

In 1969-72, my house was less than a mile south of Stoney Creek Park. I sailed on the lake often. My subdivision had a Rochester address at the time; it is now in Shelby Twp., IIRC.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 8:43:41 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: Mikey_1962

Davd Newman-best talk host ever.

I do miss Mark Scott though. Imagine how he would tell the denizens of Disneyland on the Potomac to examine their premises because truth is truth.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 10:09:57 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: shove_it
In 1969-72, my house was less than a mile south of Stoney Creek Park.

My dad, after retiring from the Detroit police dept., was the chief ranger at Stoney from about 1980 - 1994.....

As a side note, one of the picnic areas there was the consumate gathering place for kids partying, drinking and dealing drugs. One of the first things my dad suggested to the park was to change the name of the area so that new kids coming in to the park couldn't find the party spot...........Of course that only lasted so long.

The Huron Clinton Metropolitan Authority (HCMP) does a great job on their Metro parks. Back in the 1990's, they offered to take over Belle Isle, which was horribly run down at the time, (and still is). The Detroit city council turned them down citing that the citizens of Detroit should not be forced to pay to access the island via daily or annual stickers.

22 posted on 01/29/2013 12:56:17 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Noamie
Putting it near Detroit just means that it’s near an invading army of looters and criminals that can walk across the ice in the winter.

You can't walk across the Detroit river on ice in the winter.........LOL!

23 posted on 01/29/2013 1:01:15 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Noamie
“Frozen winters” sounds good to a group of people looking to build a nation of their own surrounded by water? Bad plan.

Have you ever personally been on Belle Isle?

Are you familiar with the folks who live in the Grosse Pointes, Bloomfield Hills and other upscale areas around Detroit? Mega $$$$$ by folks who are already familiar with winter.

You only have to google the lake Michigan shoreline side of the state between Traverse City and Harbor Springs and look at the houses, especially between Charlevoix and Petoskey. Believe it or not, the majority of them are homes away from homes for the affluent who enjoy not only the summer sports but the winter recreation opportunities also.........

So winter is not a deterrent....

24 posted on 01/29/2013 1:19:07 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

During prohibition “rum-runners” traveled across the frozen Detroit River by car to Canada and back with trunk loads of alcohol. Rum-running in Windsor became a very common practice. This led to the rise of mobsters such as the Purple Gang, who regularly traveled across the frozen river. I remember stories about some of those old trucks & cars and their loads of booze being recovered from the river bottom years after breaking through thin ice. My dad used to take my buddies and me ice fishing on the lower end of Lake St. Claire where it feeds into the Detroit River in the late 1940s.

Now with global warming and all, maybe the river doesn’t freeze any more (wink, wink).


25 posted on 01/29/2013 3:33:00 PM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Rodney Lockwood visualizes the Commonwealth of Belle Isle as an semi-autonomous city-state of 35,000 people...”

Roughly 35 people per acre???


26 posted on 01/30/2013 4:12:23 AM PST by equaviator
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To: Hot Tabasco

“majority of them are homes away from homes”

Yes, the affluent do that kind of thing. Like, have homes in places that are better than their home town....

So, considering the above, you’ve decided to invest a good bit of liquid principle into a 25-year project that will get you the stink eye from both your neighbors and your native country (who has a history of putting economic sanctions on new nations they disagree with, by the way).

You can do it anywhere and you’d prefer to do it in a place where other affluent people from across the nation will come to you. And you build it outside of.... Detroit.

Flame on, Brothers. It’s just not a great location.

(Even if the water doesn’t freeze every year as I so erringly wrote earlier.)


27 posted on 01/30/2013 6:58:52 AM PST by Noamie
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To: shove_it
Now with global warming and all, maybe the river doesn’t freeze any more

Not very often anymore. In fact, there wasn't even any ice on Lake St. Clair for ice fishing last year. Up until last week when we had our deep freeze, they weren't fishing anywhere either and what little ice in and around the marinas there was has likely melted by the warm weather and rain we've had for the past several days.....

28 posted on 01/30/2013 9:02:11 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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