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Regarding Immigration Proposals, Beware of Your Opponents’ Motivation
Red State ^ | 1/28/2013 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 01/29/2013 4:37:22 AM PST by IbJensen

The subject of immigration (and evidently, illegal immigration) has proven to be a divisive issue for conservatives. There are divergent opinions as to which policies should be pursued vis-à-vis the 12 million illegal immigrants who reside in the country. However, as conservatives, there are certain fundamental goals and red lines that we should all unite behind as we commence debate on this issue. Any so-called comprehensive immigration reform proposal that is worth more than a bucket of spit must ensure the following:

■we are not saddled with 12 million new consumers of the welfare state;

■we don’t have 12 million new Democrat voters;

■those receiving the amnesty will not have the ability to spawn chain migration;

■before any amnesty is implemented, there is a complete establishment of visa tracking, border control, and mandatory E-verify to ensure that this won’t create another ‘Charlie Brown with the football’ scenario of more waves of illegal immigration;

■our legal immigration system move towards a merit-based process that favors high-skill immigrants instead of the current “Kennedy” system that is random and tendentious towards low-skilled immigrants.

Undoubtedly, Republican negotiators of reform proposals, like Marco Rubio, are well-intentioned in their desire to solve a serious problem with thoughtful solutions. However, if they are really committed to advancing conservative solutions and addressing conservative concerns about the immigration system, they must understand the adversity we all face with our Democrat opponents on this issue. Their proposals must be crafted to work not just in a world full of Marco Rubios and Paul Ryans, but in a political system full of Luis Gutierrezs and a judicial sphere full of ACLU and MALDEF (Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund) types. Hence, when proposing immigration bills, to know thy enemy is key.

Democrats like Luis Gutierrezs and Chuck Schumer believe that all 7 billion people in the world are born with a God-given right to immigrate to the United States. When they speak of “our broken immigration system,” they are not bemoaning our policies that are biased towards low-skilled immigration; they are complaining that our generous acceptance of over 1 million new immigrants every year, predominantly from the third world, is not enough. As such, they believe that illegal immigration is a natural and justified result of our refusal to let in even more low-skilled immigrants than we have already admitted over the past two decades. They believe that our unwillingness to immediately grant them amnesty is a violation of their natural rights, and is a reflection of our sinister bigotry towards others.

Perforce, when they speak of “comprehensive immigration reform” they are referring to the following: complete amnesty of all illegals so they can immediately sign up for welfare programs and commence the path towards becoming a permanent Democrat voting bloc; an even larger increase in legal immigration from the third world and from countries that represent a security risk; more welfare recipients now – enforcement later (or never).

This is the brutally honest reality of the liberal immigration policy desideratum. Any Republican who plunges into this debate while disregarding this reality is willfully ignoring the statements and actions of Democrats over the past several decades.

Marco Rubio is in the process of formulating and negotiating a proposal which he tells conservatives would deal with the aforementioned concerns. He claims that his proposal to grant work visas to a selected group of illegal immigrants based on paying a fine and learning English (much like the 2006/07 McCain-Kennedy amnesty bills) would not result in them receiving welfare benefits, and would force them to go to the back of the line to embark on the process of obtaining a green card and eventual citizenship (although they would not have to return to their country of origin – the place of the real line). He also says that he would like to reform our legal immigration system to one that pursues higher-skilled workers.

Again, the brutal reality is that if his proposal would indeed contain those guiding principles and red lines, his Democrat counterparts would never support it. Never. They will seek to adulterate it with poison pills that reflect their goals and aspirations. All too often, we’ve witnessed Republicans who become so emotionally invested in their proposals that they continue to promote them, even after they are completely co-opted by the left. Will Marco Rubio promise conservatives that he will stand by his demands and will not let the Democrats cross our red lines? Or will we stay the course and face the inevitability of a reform bill that guarantees amnesty/chain migration now with the vacuous promise of enforcement/conservative reforms later (think tax hikes now/spending cuts later)?

Will we really hold off on any amnesty until there is adequate visa tracking in place and operational control of the border? Why would all of the promises of enforcement actually work this time? Also, given Obama’s penchant for selective enforcement of our immigration laws, does anyone really believe he would enforce new laws? These are all questions that must be answered with confidence.

Furthermore, even if by some miracle Democrats agree to this grand bargain, they will view this as the first step, not the final piece of legislation. Once a significant portion of illegal immigrants become permanent legal residents, Democrats will demand that the rest of them obtain that status, even the ones who are not ‘churchgoing grandmothers’ who were here for 20 years.

Also, the next civil right will be welfare benefits and voting rights. It will never end. You simply can’t win a bidding war with Democrats over pandering to this constituency. Once Republicans agree to legalize them, it will be virtually impossible to stop the runaway train of subsequent congresses from granting them full privileges. As long as Republicans compromise, but leave a few issues on the table, Democrats will continue to use them as political footballs. A permanent legal underclass is a much more potent force than an illegal constituency. We can never get to the left of the Democrats on the issue. Ultimately, we will never make inroads with the Latino vote by out-flanking Democrat on amnesty; we will only win their vote, as Jim DeMint has said, by communicating to them how liberal policies have utterly failed them.

Moreover, proponents of Rubio-style proposals need to explain how we can legally firewall welfare benefits from those granted amnesty. There is a well-oiled, truculent legal defense community that will relentlessly sue for full privileges and an end to this status of “second-class citizen.” At present, these people lack many legal protections. Once they become legal, it will be very difficult to ensure they do not join the dependency utopia of blue America.

Remember, just the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit for illegal immigrants – a tiny portion of the welfare state – costs $24 billion over 10 years. That figure accounts for just 2.18 million illegals who are able to use a loophole to obtain the refundable credit. When you factor in the entire smorgasbord of programs for millions more, we’re talking about trillions in new welfare spending.

Rubio also needs to be clear as to what level of legal immigration he is seeking. Does he wish to expand high-skilled immigration without reducing the number of low-skilled immigrants?

These are all legitimate questions that need to be debated and analyzed before conservatives sign off on such a deal. A ‘secret’ bipartisan working group, which plans to foist upon us a final product is not going to cut it. Let’s remember that full amnesty for those who are here illegally is a lot to ask for. Many conservatives would be willing to entertain such an idea so long as we are ensured that it will not play into the hands of the left. However, we cannot panic and impetuously pursue amnesty under the false pretense that we will gain Hispanic support without first addressing some basic concerns.

If we’ve learned anything from the 1986 amnesty, it is that trust but verify is not going to cut it when it comes to illegal immigration policy. We need inviolable enforcement mechanisms on the enforcement side before we are prepared to make painful concessions. Otherwise, comprehensive immigration reform will look a lot like comprehensive healthcare reform. And we will be having this same debate in 20 years from now, albeit with a permanent Democrat majority.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; evilobamaregime; illegalimigration; wetbacks
The problem with this illegal immigration problem is that it is a deliberate scheme to undermine conservatism in this sick nation forever.It stands as proof that we never learned the lesson that the politics of ethnic pandering implicit in the Republicrat attempts is part of this.

It's worse because in 1986 Reagan and others were serious about enforcement. Obama has gutted real enforcement and constructed amnesty by executive fiat.

Additionally, there is too much "Compasionate Conservative" baggage in Mark Rubio's closet on the immigration issue. I doubt that will change, but fiscal conservatives have got to insist Rubio explicitly deal properly with that baggage. We can not afford a repeat of George 43 on an open-ended spending area with newly legalized illegals. That alone would bury us fiscally.

1 posted on 01/29/2013 4:37:25 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

They fail to eliminate the anchor baby issue which serves as the carrot.

Illegal immigration amnesty is essentially a greed issue where corrupt politicians, business interests, etc all see it as something that will benefit them with votes and cheap labor, all at the ultimate expense of others.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 4:58:12 AM PST by apoliticalone
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To: IbJensen

Why is this phony issue being brought up again ?

We have massive unemployment so we drag in more Obamacare
Recipients ??

This is That vile destructive Karl Rove and his Big Ag / Grocery store corporations lobbyists handy work again !

Rove needs to be stopped !


3 posted on 01/29/2013 5:19:15 AM PST by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: IbJensen
Rubio's proposals would maintain and actually increase high unemployment rates AMONG AMERICANS. That is why he cannot be considered to be a COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE. Instead he is an ANTIAMERICAN APPARATCHIK working on behalf of several foreign nations who seek to dump their excess or politically troublesome people in the United States.

This is the end of game for Rubio. Send him back to the showers.

4 posted on 01/29/2013 5:24:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: IbJensen; AuntB; Liz; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”Any so-called comprehensive immigration reform proposal that is worth more than a bucket of spit must ensure the following:
-we are not saddled with 12 million new consumers of the welfare state;
-we don’t have 12 million new Democrat voters;
-those receiving the amnesty will not have the ability to spawn chain migration;
..............
Perforce, when they speak of “comprehensive immigration reform” they are referring to the following: complete amnesty of all illegals so they can immediately sign up for welfare programs and commence the path towards becoming a permanent Democrat voting bloc; an even larger increase in legal immigration from the third world and from countries that represent a security risk; more welfare recipients now – enforcement later (or never).
This is the brutally honest reality of the liberal immigration policy desideratum. Any Republican who plunges into this debate while disregarding this reality is willfully ignoring the statements and actions of Democrats over the past several decades. “

Exactly, any deal with Dems on ‘immigration reform’ will just accelerate the Obama welfare state culture change we have witnessed and make opposition to their policies hopeless.

In fact you never even hear Mccain being asked where his proof is that this will get Republicans any votes.
He talks exactly like a Democrat.

5 posted on 01/29/2013 5:29:53 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: muawiyah

I’m sick of the term ‘compassionate conservative.’ I now face reality and realize I’m a right-wing zealot!

Rubios ears are too big.


6 posted on 01/29/2013 6:09:59 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: sickoflibs; AuntB; Tennessee Nana

Democrats are exchanging US citizenship for votes-—a clear violation of US election law.

Giving a “gratuity” in exchange for a vote is patently illegal.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 6:15:52 AM PST by Liz
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To: IbJensen

Exactly who are these politicians pandering to? You could see the teachers unions, all the 501c’s that profit off the backs of illegal’s, business that don’t pay minimum wage. These groups don’t make up a large enough interest group to cater to. Could it be that the Democrats know a large portion of illegal’s vote anyway and would be beholden to the Democrats for giving them an easy path to welfare?


8 posted on 01/29/2013 7:06:29 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: sickoflibs
dont sweat it...its a done deal with all the 'bi-partisan' backin in place...

comprende ???

9 posted on 01/29/2013 7:20:00 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; Liz; AuntB; Tennessee Nana
RE :”dont sweat it...its a done deal with all the ‘bi-partisan’ backin in place...
comprende ???”

You are just sooo funny Mr negative Nellie ...

I can up you on that :

This Morning the Morning Joe says
Republicans in the House will need assurances from McCain and Rubio that this bill doesnt just give amnesty like..........before they can vote for it”

Assurances from McCain/Rubio ?? Like toilet paper?/

10 posted on 01/29/2013 8:23:52 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs
assurances from McCain and Rubio that this bill doesnt just give amnesty like..........before they can vote for it

what cant they simply R-E-A-D the dam thing for themselves ???

prolly even written in espanol tho...

11 posted on 01/29/2013 9:19:20 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
RE :”what cant they simply R-E-A-D the dam thing for themselves ???
prolly even written in espanol tho... “

No time for that.
Hispanics are multiplying by the hour and mad at Rs for holding immigration reform up so this is an emergency and cannot wait for a reading. IT MUST BE PASSED AS SOON AS IT IS WRITTEN. McConnell will give us his word its OK,, handshake ??

‘We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it’

Maybe Dems can get a 'public plan' added to O care in the bills since those 'New Americans' err immigrants want that too.

12 posted on 01/29/2013 9:45:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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