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GOP: R.I.P.?
Townhall.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 01/29/2013 5:49:48 AM PST by Kaslin

Some political commentators are dancing on what they believe to be the grave of the Republican Party, claiming that the only way the GOP can have a viable future is for them to behave like Democrats.

Last weekend, National Review magazine sponsored a "conservative summit" in Washington. They should have held it elsewhere.

Prior to speaking at that event, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal addressed the Republican National Committee's annual winter meeting in Charlotte, N.C., where he proposed a new strategy for Republicans and conservatives that begins, not in Washington, but at the state level.

Jindal said the Republican Party loses when it plays on the liberal Democrats' turf, allowing them to set the agenda.

"America is not the federal government," he said. He maintained Republicans have wasted too much time trying to manage bloated government and too little time growing the private sector. The media and Democrats, he added, treat any serious proposal to restrain government growth as "not serious" when the truth is, "...nothing serious is deemed serious in Washington."

Then in a face-slapping moment, Jindal added, "If this election taught us anything -- it is that we will not win elections by simply pointing out the failures of the other side. We must boldly paint the picture of what America can be, of just how incredibly bright America's future can be."

The real action is occurring away from Washington. Republican governors, a majority of state chief executives, are lowering or eliminating state incomes taxes, cutting wasteful spending, balancing budgets, or creating surpluses, and in the case of Indiana, sending rebate checks to taxpayers.

Here are three Jindalisms the public can understand: "Government spending still does not grow our economy. ... American weakness on the world stage still does not lead to peace. ... Higher taxes still do not create prosperity for all."

Poverty should not be the final verdict on any life. Republicans need to have "testimony time" during which people once addicted to government tell how they broke free and are now earning a paycheck because they embraced conservative principles. Republicans should be seen as friends of the poor instead of friends of the wealthy, who President Obama has said, are doing fine.

Republicans should also partner with churches. Stop arguing about the evils of welfare dependency and start helping people live a life of self-sufficiency. That begins with a change in attitude and a transformation of outlook. What better institution to address these internal qualities than the church?

If Republicans want to do something about the future, they should back a growing movement to pull children out of underperforming public schools where often their views, values, understanding of history and even faith are undermined. Home-schooling is an option. The public school system, seemingly a "hot house" for growing new generations of secular liberals, is a failure on many levels. It makes no sense to me to put one's children in a school system that will likely transform their minds and souls into something quite different from those of their parents. Private school is also an option. Many of them offer scholarships to children whose parents can't afford tuition. A solid education is the first step out of poverty.

Negativity doesn't inspire. Criticizing Democrats might make the base feel good, but it solves nothing. Republicans should adopt the optimism and vision of Ronald Reagan, whose main gift to this country was to persuade Americans to believe in themselves. His optimism became our optimism. In the end, "we, the people" must realize they have the power, not Washington.

Governor Jindal stated his vision in Charlotte: "...free individuals, taking risks, building businesses, inventing things from thin air, and passing immutable values from one generation to the next ... that is the root of America's greatness."

Are party members listening and willing to change, not their principles, but their approach to promoting those principles? We will know soon enough, but predictions of the party's demise are as premature as they were for Democrats during the Reagan-Bush electoral successes of 1980, '84 and '88.

Republicans aren't dead yet, but changes are essential for the GOP to get off life support. They can start by reading Gov. Jindal's speech.


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1 posted on 01/29/2013 5:49:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They said RIP DNC in 2004 and we all know how that turned out...unfortunately. I just think that a transition of the GOP to 100 percent conservative is our best option. Michele Bachmann/Rick Santorum in 2016 would guarantee our success. I am sure that I will get hate posts because some FREEPERS hate conservative good people like Bachmann/Santorum just as the GOP Elite does. UGH!!!!!


2 posted on 01/29/2013 5:54:05 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Kaslin

To me it is.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 5:54:16 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Kaslin
Jindal said the Republican Party loses when it plays on the liberal Democrats' turf, allowing them to set the agenda. "America is not the federal government,"

That is a truth that all too many Americans have forgotten! Americans need to hear that message.

4 posted on 01/29/2013 5:55:51 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin
Good - this is exactly what need to happen - get the party back to State Level - re-establish and support the conservative ideas that grow capitalism and bring back the Christian value system in both the private and pubic sector - because it WORKED -- get it out of Federal hands - to break this cycle reform can't begin at the federal level - it has to begin much closer to home and the local and state level is an excellent place to start...
5 posted on 01/29/2013 6:03:45 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: napscoordinator

I just think that a transition of the GOP to 100 percent conservative is our best option.

I agree with you. If republicans become like democrats then we will have no representation. Half the country seems to be liberal so let the democrats have them. The rest of us choose to be conservatives and we want representation.


6 posted on 01/29/2013 6:04:11 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Kaslin

Its hard to get positive coverage when the MSM has devolved into left wing propaganda organs and the commentators are Obama sycophants. Yet all the politically correct nonsense will not protect the American people from the disastrous economic and social policies the Left is implementing. Eventually the truth, however ugly, will win out.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 6:04:31 AM PST by allendale
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To: napscoordinator

Well, I love conservatives and have been a staunch one for 45 years. That being said, you are incorrect about Santorum. Excellent man, citizen, father and husband. Poor candidate. This is not “hate”. It is reality.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 6:06:05 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kaslin

This is a basic Axelrod strategy. He and the Obama’s know that they cannot run on their dismal record so they demonize the opposition and do whatever they can to destroy it. The GOP has a huge target on its back. The tactic worked in 2012...they will renew it for 2014 and beyond.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 6:07:26 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: allendale

very well said


10 posted on 01/29/2013 6:08:00 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: showme_the_Glory

There shall continue to be an entity called “the Republican party”, just as there is now an entity called “the United States of America”. Hollow shells of what they once were, and neither still guided by the principles for which they once stood. It got to be “impractical” to live by the percepts attributed to a “bunch of dead white men”, as this is an evolving world, doncha know.

There is a tide in the affairs of men, that taken at its flood, leads to fortune. But failure to take advantage of that tide leaves the vessel stranded upon mud flats, or dashed upon rocks that would otherwise would have been easily floated over.

We have seen opportunities afforded that have been lost by hesitation, or an effort to please others who do not have our best interests in mind.

Is it too late to consider the alternative of seceding from these now empty and unsatisfactory institutions? Neither seem good candidates for resuscitation.

I, for one, declare a nation of Self. On that remote island, I can play “John Galt”, beholden to none other, and treating all round me like a foreign land, which it has become. I can still negotiate diplomatically, but there is no such thing any more as an undying allegiance or unbreakable union.


11 posted on 01/29/2013 6:10:54 AM PST by alloysteel (Herself, the Cold and Joyless, shouted: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Kaslin

Obama et al. are trying to divide/ destroy the GOP so that they can own the House in 2014. We need to FILL the House and the Senate. We must never, never, ever let THEM define US.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 6:12:13 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Kaslin

In before the DU trolls, Ron Paul kooks, the ‘Third Party Will Save Us’ cranks, faux conservative Concern Trolls, the Downfall of The Republic Chroniclers, and the I’ve Never Lifted A Finger To Get Involved Politically But I’m Going To Bitch Anyway And Justify It By Saying I’ve Gone Galt.

Oh wait, I’m too late. My how low the mighty Free Republic has fallen.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 6:13:25 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Kaslin

The Republican Party will continue on pretty much as it is for so long as the Democrat rulers feel they need a sham opposition. It is like Venezuela, now. The Left is not in complete control but close. The Republican Party is no more than the Designated Opposition Department of the Democrat Party.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 6:15:40 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: BCW

BUMP.

The GOP is not dead. The action has just moved somewhere else. Those who claim to support the Constitution need to quit focusing on the Presidency and Washington DC and recognize that.

The States are the road to Liberty.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 6:15:47 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Free Vulcan

LOL!

There are still some good posters here, but there are a lot of people so negative and aggressive in attacking others that you’d think they’d been sent by DU to make conservatives look nutz and project the idea that there’s no hope. These people never offer any constructive solutions themselves, of course.

Reagan didn’t make conservatism a force by simply sniping from the sidelines and condemning everybody who didn’t agree with his every thought, but by offering his vision and inviting people to join it. He was quite firm in defending it, but very generous in sharing it. Jindal is right about the need for a serious change in our approach.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 6:29:27 AM PST by livius
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To: Kaslin

The GOP is a party, not a movement. The GOP has one focus, get elected, (or re-elected). Republicans are quite comfortable with the minority role. Their concern at this point is two fold.

1 - They realize being a permanent minority will lead to be gerrymandered to oblivion.

2 - They need to take a majority in the House to get the good committees.

That’s it. That’s their focus, and their concern. Yeah, they’re dead.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 6:30:56 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Kaslin

Did we suffer through the “don’t criticize the Democrats” era with Bush? It seems to me like they don’t get criticized enough, and if they do, it doesn’t seem like the Democrats aren’t penalized for their bad behavior, just swept under the rug. I feel if that happens more often, and they’re punished, then the behavior will stop or decline.

Am I wrong?


18 posted on 01/29/2013 6:41:50 AM PST by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: Kaslin
With the mood of the population we have in America today (takers vs. makers) the only way the GOP can save itself is to adopt the Santa Clause philosophy - that is what purchases the votes. No more complicated than that. America has no one to blame other than to look in the mirror before entering the voting booth.
19 posted on 01/29/2013 6:49:27 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Kaslin
claiming that the only way the GOP can have a viable future is for them to behave like Democrats.

Not wholly irrational, as most of the electorate is clearly now all about Gimme Gimme Gimme.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 6:50:48 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: napscoordinator
Santorum isn't a good conservative. He is just another RINO that plays the conservative card. I actually do like conservatives, you know, those that don't lie to their constiuency about where they live, those that don't support ultra-liberals for office who ended up being the linchpin of getting obamacare passed. You know that if Santorum had stuck to what he calls his principles we might not have Obamacare right now? How can you then call him a "conservative good person"?

I don't think there are any perfect people and if there were such a thing I would like to think that they would be able to find something better to do with their lives than run for office. That being said we should be able to expect certain things from conservatives, like them not cheating on their wives for example. Not lying to their constiuents and not supporting liberals has to be on that list.

Do you know why these supposed conservatives have no compunctions about stabbing us in the back time after time? It's because they know they know that some people will support them no matter what as long as they mouth certain platitudes. There is nothing more important than actions, and that is the only thing that should earn or lose our votes. Santorum's actions are counter to what he says.

Romney was the last straw for me. I held my nose and voted for him and I still feel dirty for doing so. If the Republican party keeps putting forth RINOs they can do it without my financial support, without my efforts and without my vote.

21 posted on 01/29/2013 6:53:08 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Free Vulcan
The States are the road to Liberty.

I have felt less stressed about what the D's and BO are doing in DC the more I focus on local politics. I live in OR major left wing politics but not in my county.

I have been comforted by my neighbors and the local politicians that are like minded in their rejection of DC. I live in the county where my Sheriff told Biden and BO to pound sand as he will not enforce unconstitutional laws.

Keep your registered R status, then you can vote in the primaries and force LOCAL change, that is the ticket. 30 R governors that are not complying with DC on health exchanges. More and more states challenging the unions and right to work status, we are making the change at the grass roots/local level, in the primaries, stay registered as R's. Ignore DC for now.

22 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:07 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Kaslin
Last weekend, National Review magazine sponsored a "conservative summit" in Washington. They should have held it elsewhere.

I agree. Conservatives across the country should band together in a common city OUTSIDE of Washington. I specifically like the line created by the States ND, SD, NE, KS, OK and TX in the 2012 election!! I suggest a city in Oklahoma!
23 posted on 01/29/2013 7:35:35 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Kaslin

EVery election cycle they predict one of the major parties doing so poorly as to exclaim that it is the end. It is ALL talk and fluff. It never happens. It is just something for the chattering classes to talk about. However, if the GOP does not listen to its base of conservatives, they WILL find themselves continually losing, maybe even losing their base to a 3rd party. If they do not turn off the Steve Schmidts and the Carl Roves and tell them to take a hike, then many of us will be looking to find a place that conservatives can call home and win. I’m sort of sick of all these surveys sent out that seem to mean nothing. Congress does what it always does and the GOP is always left holding the bag, being blamed for everything and no one has the balls to stand up and tell it like it is. I am so exasperated by the GOP that I am no longer calling myself a republican. When we recently moved, we voted in the republican primary, but we did not register with the party. I’m all for some change in tactics as long as we do not abandon our conservative principles. PERIOD.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 7:36:47 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: arthurus

The GOP is to the Democrats as the Washington Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters.


25 posted on 01/29/2013 7:40:30 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin
I wonder what the Democrats and the media are hoping for when they wish for the "annihilation" of the Republican Party. Do they expect the US to have only one party, the Democratic Party, from then on? We have had one brief period where there was only one party, when the Federalists faded away, but the Democratic-Republicans soon broke up and there was intense partisanship in the period when it was the Democrats vs. the Whigs. The Confederates did not have a two-party system and it weakened them.

What model do they have in mind? Mexico during the decades when the PRI won all the elections? The Eastern bloc during the Cold War when the Communists were the only party? The one-party South of the first half of the 20th century? Detroit or Chicago on a national scale?

26 posted on 01/29/2013 7:43:18 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Durus

I do agree. My wife and I have told every Repub caller asking for money that we are not giving to the party anymore - to individuals, but not the party. In the last election we didn’t seem to have any outstanding candidates. If they were conservative, they seemed to have trouble with their mouth or brain whenever they got in front of a camera. It was most discouraging. The MSM was laser focused at the national level. Perhaps at the state level we would have more of a chance of flying under their radar. I really do like this Jindal approach for many reasons. A focus at the state level is excellent! Grassroots is where it has to be for conservatives - but we still need more states to be totally Republican controlled before we can effectively fight the Fed leviathan. Still, I really believe our problems are more moral than political. There will never be a political answer to our nation’s problems if we remain and unrepentant, stiff necked, God ignoring people. Partnering with churches could be a good thing but only if we have a pure heart about what we are trying to accomplish. Otherwise it could quickly devolve into manipulation and angry disputes. A call to prayer and repentance by conservative leaders would be a good place to start (let the liberals scream). Tax breaks for private and church run schools or partnering with local businesses to help support them already happens and should be encouraged. We have our work cut out for us but grassroots, it seems, is where we must start. The Tea Party was effective in getting some conservatives elected. If perhaps we were more organized in that regard to support conservative candidates in state elections - ones that really had a chance of winning - maybe that would help, as well.


27 posted on 01/29/2013 7:45:24 AM PST by Lake Living
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To: allendale

I agree and then some. If you allow your opponent (including the
MSM) to define you then you will lose no matter what adjustments
you have made. We need to take control of one of the major media
(at least one, that is). I don’t propose that it be turned into another
version of FOX News, but rather, a truly objective source of info.
Liberals cannot do that today because it is no longer in their DNA
if it ever was. If only we played on an evgen playing field I know
we would win the hearts and mindes battle in the long run.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 7:49:12 AM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: Kaslin

The GOP as it is now is worth nothing. It is a pansy-faced wimp of a party that once was great.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 7:56:48 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Sivad

I live in Hollywood, CA. I can attest to the fact that until we get some sort of control on the message via the media we have no chance. The average American is a person easily swayed by what they here on TV, read in print rather online or not and the new wave of social media that minute by minute is used to promote ideas most of which are not in line wit center right nor conservative values.

Second the demographic change has been swift as I look at my state and the GOP has done nothing to make in roads with these people and their beliefs. As much as I do not agree with much of it from the invasion to the cultural dynamics it is now a reality and anything outside a full scale war will not make it any different. It is here, the world evolves and so does our country. You must adapt. Keep your personal principles, be a stand up citizen and pray by example others will follow.

Our work begins now and it will just be a little bit harder... nothing realated to Liberty or Freedom is free... remember!


30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:05:48 AM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: Durus

I don’t understand you comment about Santorum being completely responsible for Obamacare. How can that be when he was not even in the Senate nor on the scene during that time. In fact, he was travelling through Iowa at that time.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:06:49 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Bainbridge

I admit he did not show his best at the debates sometimes. I just wish we had Santorum instead of Obama.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:01 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Kaslin

the GOOD COP BAD COP ploy that politicians in DC have routinely played has finally come full circle. Wouldn’t you know it, they’re ALL BAD. Yes, they have really effed the average American and are now fearful of us. They are now maneuvering to disarm the citizen’s and ordering the military to prepare to take over America’s streets. Some career politicians, the real cowards, are even choosing to retire. Their common reason; its time to spend more time with family. Just my opinion but I’d say they are hoping they will be over looked once the SHTF.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:38:35 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Republic Rocker

Bravo! Why is it that so many of our conservative so-called leaders
fail to grasp what so many of us understand about delivering the
message and correcting the record?


34 posted on 01/29/2013 9:00:06 AM PST by Sivad (Nor Cal Red Turf)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Do they expect the US to have only one party, the Democratic Party, from then on?

I may be a complete pessimist at this point, but I don't believe that we really have had two Parties for quite a while. Perhaps here and there, the Republicans have won Majority in either the House or the Senate, and have won some Presidencies, but nothing except for Reagan really swayed the direction of Washington. And even then, he had the House but not the Senate.

IMO, Reagan was not supposed to happen. Can you imagine how the media would have acted if Obama or Clinton would have won the number of states that Reagan won twice? And even with Reagan winning twice, the media was STILL in constant attack mode.

House Party Divisions:

1901-1911 - Republicans held Majority (10 years)
1911-1917 - Democrats held Majority (6 years)
1917-1933 - Republicans held Majority (16 years)
1933-1995 - Democrats held Majority with Republicans only having Majority from 1947-1949 and 1953-1955 (62 years!!)
1995-2007 - Republicans held Majority (12 years)
2007-2011 - Democrats held Majority (4 years)
2011-2015 - Republicans held Majority (4 years and counting)

Senate Party Divisions:

1901-1913 - Republicans held Majority (12 years)
1913-1919 - Democrats held Majority (6 years)
1919-1933 - Republicans held Majority (14 years)
1933-1981 - Democrats held Majority with Republicans only having Majority from 1947-1949 and 1953-1955 (48 years!!)
1981-1987 - Republicans held Majority (6 years)
1987-1995 - Democrats held Majority (8 years)
1995-2001 - Republicans held Majority (6 years)
2001-2003 - Democrats held Majority (2 years)
2003-2007 - Republicans held Majority (4 years)
2007-2015 - Democrats held Majority (8 years and counting)

For almost 50 YEARS, the Democrats ran both Houses of Congress. That is quite a long time to install all kinds of Pro-Democrat Party institutions.

During most of the 12 recent years that Republicans held the House and held the Senate for all but 2 of those years, they cut some taxes but did NOT do effective reforms and STILL spent like crazy.

And why in the heck do these Independents ALWAYS move in the favor of the Democrats? What kind of Uber-control does the Democrat Party have?
35 posted on 01/29/2013 9:02:47 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: napscoordinator

Obviously we would all prefer him to Obama. But there is a certain hubris that allows a man who cannot win to keep putting himself forward.
Actually, e man you saw is who he is. He does not have the persona required to lead at the level of president. For heavens sake he lost his senate seat. has he even won more than one legislative race?


36 posted on 01/29/2013 9:16:34 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Kaslin
Some political commentators are dancing on what they believe to be the grave of the Republican Party, claiming that the only way the GOP can have a viable future is for them to behave like Democrats.

Where is the "Oh Geez" guy?

We've heard this before, but maybe these ideas will get through to the 'pubbies:

1) You can't out-Democrat the Democrats. What Liberal (Communist) voter wants a cheap immitation when they can get the real thing?

2) You want to budget stuff, then do it like it is coming out of YOUR pocket, not ours. Quit writing rubber checks.

3) Hang what the yapping lapdogs of the Liberal media say, RIGHT is never Wrong. Pick up your copy of the Constitution, blow the dust off, and reacquaint yourselves with the separation of powers, the Bill of Rights, and that you don't have to kiss any butts in DC.

4) If you are hearing something on ABCNNBCCBS there is a high probability it is completely bass-ackwards to the truth and reality.

5) If you feel the need to exempt yourselves from some laws, then you shouldn't pass them. We likely don't want to live under them, either.

6) Next time you are back home for a townhall type meeting, ask what concerns people. Don't argue with them, just listen, repeat, LISTEN. If they are spewing Liberal crap, they are probably Liberals and wouldn't vote for you on a bet, but listen to them, too, then listen to people disagree. Conservatives aren't your enemy, so don't be ours.

If you have never run your own business, get out and talk with people who do. Not just the big guys in town, but the little outfits, the ones with only a couple of employees, the owner/operators who really feel the crunch from policy changes, because they have to keep track of them, too--while they are trying to run a business. The big outfits can afford to have an IT department, accountants, and lawyers on staff--for the little guy, it's all food off the table.

7) If you are in the House of Representatives, you have a unique opportunity to help our country by voting against the destructive policies promoted by this administration. Money is the lifeblood of the tumors of governmental stupidity, and you can cut off the flow. Don't give in. Greece once relied on 300 Spartans, we don't have as many of you. You will be vilified in the DC press, and probably nationally. Wear it as a badge of honor. When wicked people revile you, you are doing the right thing--the flak is heaviest over the target.

There is very little of real America inside the Beltway, and most of that is behind glass or under lights in the Smithsonian (or even more likely, in storage).

Now, I'm not expecting much, partly because he who expects nothing is seldom disappointed, and partly because getting a thought into the head of the average elected official is as likely as penetrating the armor on an M-1A1 Abrams with a jack knife, but I am going to say this all in hopes you will see the light and change the course of this nation, away from the economic and philosophical abyss it is headed toward. You are driving, don't wreck, and if they won't let you steer, stand on the brakes.

37 posted on 01/29/2013 9:20:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Bainbridge

I was a strong Santorum supporter in the primary race, Bain.
That being said, I agree with you that he would not be a winning Presidential candidate in ‘16 and would include Michelle Bachmann’s chances as being very poor as well.

We need FEARLESS Conservatives to run. Would suggest that Ted Cruz is the only one that measures up at this time.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 10:11:55 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: Durus

I feel tainted too Durus. Came around to voting for Mittens after much agonizing soul searching. The comments here on FR were ridiculously accusatory of those of us holdouts.
“A vote for anyone besides Romney is a vote for Obama”.
Yeah right.
The GOP has lost my money and my support. They think that they can use and abuse conservatives by gleaning what they need from us...and then casually throwing us under the bus, all in the name of party “unity”.
I’m done with them until they divorce themselves from Rino-ism and good ol’ boy Establishmentarian-ism...and prove it by their actions.


39 posted on 01/29/2013 10:21:48 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: napscoordinator
You couldn't possibly understand my comment that Santorum was completely responsible for Obamacare because I never made that statement. What I said was...

You know that if Santorum had stuck to what he calls his principles we might not have Obamacare right now?

What this means is that if he had never supported Arlen Specter then Specter might not have won his primary challenge and then not been in place to abandon his party. Santorum recognizes this as a mistake but it isn't just a "whoops my bad, mea culpa, forgive me". It was very public support for a liberal over a conservative that all conservatives at the time saw as a huge sellout. Now one could argue that Arlen might still have won, that another vote could have been found if he hadn't voted, one could argue a whole what ifs. The facts are still that a supposed conservative supported a liberal over another conservative and that liberal was the deciding vote on Obama care. How could you possibly support the man after this? Do you enjoy being stabbed in the back?

40 posted on 01/29/2013 12:47:34 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Kaslin
GOP: RIP?

Well, there are sure lots of good reasons to believe so.

Here are a couple new ones, just from today:

[Quisling ALERT] Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel come out in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens

More Iowa Republicans coming out for marriage equality

41 posted on 01/29/2013 12:47:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: napscoordinator
I am sure that I will get hate posts because some FREEPERS hate conservative good people like Bachmann/Santorum just as the GOP Elite does. UGH!!!!!

I won't reply with a 'hate post', but I will give that statement a raspberry.

42 posted on 01/29/2013 3:09:32 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Free Vulcan
My how low the mighty Free Republic has fallen.

Free Republic isn't Hotel California, you know. You can check out any time you like, and you can leave.

43 posted on 01/29/2013 3:14:19 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: arthurus
The Republican Party is no more than the Designated Opposition Department of the Democrat Party.

Sorta like the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals.

44 posted on 01/29/2013 3:15:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

45 posted on 01/29/2013 3:18:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Windflier

Thanks for the opinion newbie.


46 posted on 01/29/2013 3:22:02 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: Cheerio
...the only way the GOP can save itself is to adopt the Santa Clause philosophy - that is what purchases the votes.

I strongly disagree. Conservatism wins whenever it's properly pitched to the American people, ala Reagan. What you're advocating is nothing short of the complete abandonment of our principles, in order to 'win' elections.

What on earth would we gain by electing Republicans who govern exactly like Democrats? Exactly nothing, besides permanently cementing their leftist agenda in place.

47 posted on 01/29/2013 3:24:47 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: napscoordinator

Michelle Bachmann, who abandoned our country?


48 posted on 01/29/2013 3:44:52 PM PST by nickcarraway (Michell)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
And why in the heck do these Independents ALWAYS move in the favor of the Democrats? What kind of Uber-control does the Democrat Party have?

FREE ICE CREAM! FREE MONEY!!

49 posted on 01/29/2013 3:52:29 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Sivad
Why is it that so many of our conservative so-called leaders fail to grasp what so many of us understand about delivering the message and correcting the record?

I'd say the reason is because they're not just "so-called leaders", they're also so-called conservatives. Real conservatives understand the timeless principles and practices which made this country great, down to their bones.

Real conservatives don't speak 'namby-pamby', and they're not 'bi-partisan'. Their fixed, default setting, is conservatism - plain and simple. It's the only language they know.

Americans know a real conservative when they see one, and they instinctively follow them.

50 posted on 01/29/2013 4:44:05 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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