Posted on 01/29/2013 8:18:51 AM PST by tobyhill
Hours before President Obama is set to deliver a major immigration speech, a key Republican senator blasted the president for reportedly opposing a requirement to shore up border security before legalizing up to 11 million illegal immigrants.
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., one of four Republican senators involved in a bipartisan effort to craft immigration reform legislation, warned the president Tuesday against taking such a position. It was the first sign since the senators unveiled their guidelines a day earlier of friction between the two efforts.
"I think that would be a terrible mistake," Rubio told Fox News. "We have a bipartisan group of senators that have agreed to that. For the president to try to move the goalposts on that specific requirement, as an example, does not bode well in terms of what his role's going to be in this or the outcome."
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Why is it so hard for these clowns to figure out?
It was foolish of me to think that Rubio was smart enough to know you can’t negotiate with slimy bastards.
Stupid senate - pass it then, he will do an eo and not enforce it like he has already.
Will these people never learn?
Poop has it this legislation goes nowhere with Dems and Republicans agin it.
Then Democrats continue to blame Rs for resistance.
yitbos
We still haven't closed or controlled the border since it was promised to Reagan. We didn't build McCain's damned fence.
Build the fence first, control the border and then we negotiate. Obama doesn't need to negotiate, as the folks crossing the border get to vote anyway. He doesn't care if they become citizens, just if they become voters. Leave the border open long enough, import enough socialists from Mexico, and it all becomes moot.
And no more H1Bs. We've got plenty, and we've got plenty of unemployed college students who are smart enough but got into the wrong major. Let's fix that by allowing bankruptcy to clear student loans, and putting the school at risk for part of any such failed loans.
My suggestion to Rubio, either go home to Cuba with your family or learn to become a genuine citizen not one attempting to "get along with liberals" as we conservatives don't need you as our voice on all things regarding border security, law abiding citizens, immigration laws and law breakers!
Obama and the democrats want more illegals to enter because they become wards of the state and therefore future Democrats. Just like they have done to blacks, who vote democrat 95% of the time. End of story.
Until people like Rubio accuse the president and democrats of this, it’s 1986 all over again. Forever.
The democrats couldn’t get Americans to vote for their agenda, so they are replacing Americans with foreigners.
they will not enforce it if they did go along
Rubio is a smart guy, and so far I am fairly comfortable with his plan. My only problem is exactly what some say here...the Democrats/DC establishment do not work in good faith, and either border defense will be ignored, EO’s will fast track the citizenship path or just ignore any requirements, or something along those lines. Obama has proven he will undo legislation at will with executive action, and no one seems to act against it.
My guess is Rubio is playing the long game here, taking a lead, and then letting the Dems step in it, allowing himself to be in a position to champion the popular position down the road. He’s saying the right things, and laying out the best compromise position for our side. As I have felt throughout this whole discussion, Rubio will either make himself a President or destroy his chances through this process.
I'll bet this idiot thinks that if Barky had agreed to such terms he would actually abide by the deal and implement the provisions. IOW, the real reason he is in such a pique is because Zero wouldn't cover his backside (as pointed at the people who elected him).
And just how in the world is Senator Rubio going to prove the border is secure?!?! That’s what I want to know. Didn’t McCain promise the same thing when he was running? I think he planned to write the law so amnesty couldn’t happen until the president (or someone in the executive branch as I recall) certified the border was secure. That should take Obama all of 1 minute.
What a joke! Senator Rubio, you’re a joke, too!
Rubio is woefully naive if he thinks either Obama’s or his/Senate’s/House’s version is going to actually contain real border security.
If that were going to happen, they could have done it with existing legislation. The laws exist. They are not enforced now.
What makes Rubio think border will be enforced under these new laws? It won’t be. Yeah, there may be some initial song-and-dancing, but it won’t last any longer than GWBush’s grandstanding of the National Guard on the border — in short assignments to do paperwork and wash vehicles.
It’s a joke, Mario! It is a facade! It isn’t going to happen! If it were, it would have happened with Reagan’s immigration bill. It didn’t. If it were going to happen, it would have happened with Clinton’s immigration bill. It didn’t.
Yeah. I would have thought the RINO / dem amnesty plan would have a phoney “seal the borders” clause and obama would go along knowing it would never happen. Obama is emboldened to expose what he really wants. Open borders. No borders. Incredible.
I’m sorry, but you’re not seeing the situation clearly. Senator Rubio just dearly wants amnesty. That’s all there is to it. He’s been saying so for some time, except he wants the border secure first. So what? What’s going to accomplish that? Even if it involves another vote by both houses of congress that the border is secure, it doesn’t make it so. However, the requirement will likely be much less stringent than that. It will probably be something along the lines of the president having to certify the border is secure.
0bummer obviously doesn’t want to give up all those Demonrat voters in the pipeline from Mexico. A permanent Demonrat majority (probably achieved already) is the motive behind “comprehensive immigration reform.” Controlling the border is an impediment to it.
Simple test: Make the background test include past voter registration. Anyone applying for green cards who has voted fraudulently committed a felony and should be tried or deported.
..if he tightens the borders, Muslims can’t get in..
You’re comfortable with 20 million poor, third world illegals becoming voting citizens who will then bring in another 20 or 30 million family members who will vote democratic & kill the GOP....ok.
How the heck could Obama be against border security? Isn’t the first job of the President to defend the nation’s border and keep the citizens safe? And then he expects U.S. citizens to disarm as the drug cartels push their rackets further over the border?
Rubio favors amnesty but is ambitious for higher office and therefore, to try not to offend conservatives, is trying to triangulate by his talk on immigration enforcement.
As many FReepers have pointed out, it doesn’t matter how many more immigration laws you put on the books if they’re never enforced. It’s like the “Raise Taxes/Cut Spending Deals” where Republicans agree to raise taxes now in return for spending cuts in the “out years” that never come. And yet these Republicans can’t figure this out?
Yep. Great plan. Reward invading barbarians with no loyalty to this country with a green card, anchor babies, chain immgration, welfare and “a path to citizenship.” Let ‘em jump line over the folks who are stupid enough to obey the law. Don’t defend the border, where they just found an Iranian book on suicide bombers.
What a wonderful effin’ plan.
Obama doesn’t have to destroy the ‘Pubbies. The ‘Pubbies are doin’ a great job all by themselves.
They can’t secure the border. Doing that would upset the entire applecart! Look, when the millions of illegal become ‘legal’, they are NOT going to do the crap jobs, they’ll get welfare instead and that border has to be open for more illegal aliens who will do it.
Idiot, Rubio. So sick of the Stupid Party.
Rubio knows this as well. His 'outrage' is window dressing - if he's sincere he'll throw the brakes on the entire scheme.
I'm tired of this game the GOPe plays with this issue. At least the Kenyan Kommie is being up front.
“Yep. Great plan. Reward invading barbarians with no loyalty to this country with a green card, anchor babies, chain immgration, welfare and “a path to citizenship.””
Isn’t that an amazing thing? The FIRST thing we tell these law breakers is that they aren’t expected to follow our laws!
This is a recipe for anarchy.
I’m tired of these pols thinking that 0 wants to fix any problems. He doesn’t want to solve this issue. At best he wants to drive a wedge between conservatives and their reps. At worst he wants to completely destroy the country....
Breathe, okay, everything is going to be fine.
Secure border means: Secure border. What is not clear about that? My point simply is you can't trust a Democratic -- That IS exceptionally clear.
How is it that many of us can sit miles away and see the obvious but a guy like Rubio just can’t get it?
This sh*t happens over and over and “Republicans” take the fool’s bait every time.
Rubio has more loyalty to illegals than to the Constitution or current citizens.
Another injection of entitlement seekers for Obamacare and other programs is exactly what this country needs right.
Rubio and the rest of amnesty bootlickers are disgusting. I’m not sure if I’m more ashamed that they are in the GOP, or more ashamed that I’m still registered with the GOP.
“Rubio is a smart guy, and so far I am fairly comfortable with his plan.”
Yours is the only rational comment on this thread! Everyone else just starts “gassing” at the drop of a hat it would seem! Thanks for engaging your brain prior to putting your mouth into gear!
Because they are NOT true Conservatives.
No Conservative would ever "negotiate" with the Marxist.
True Conservatives would take undertake to use every parliamentary rule to stop ALL proposals and radical appointments by this tyrant.
If the Schumer/McCain/Rubio immigration plan somehow gets into a bill that reaches Os desk he will sign it.
Until that happens Obama can run around on AF1 calling for the ‘fast path’ to their citizenship and their vote(for Dems) , once again one-upping (out-bidding) Republicans with Hispanics.
They will never win the racial (victim Demo group) bidding game with Obama.
Deport Rubio!
These PhonyCons are butt-stupid.....Obama hasgot the RINOs by the nads. If there is Amnesty....Obama takes credit....If Amnesty fails....Obama blames the GOP
We already have anarchy, or rather anarcho-tyranny. It is easier to enforce the law against the law abiding. Gun control affects the only law abiding, not criminals. Illegals don’t have to obey laws like insurance, drivers licenses, etc.
Go figure.
Rubio's plan may look good as an academic exercise 100 years ago. Rubio's plan in the reality of today is a total absolute disaster.
Rubio is either lying to Conservatives or is naive beyond words.
Either way he will destroy his chances to ever run as a Conservative.
Years back I heard Rubio speak on immigration and he sounded much, much closer to the left. I believe Rubio crafted his plan to purposely fool Conservatives.
Rubio has to know and be comfortable with the fact that the Marxist will likely get his way --- Essentially complete Amnesty, less security along the border and millions more RAT voters pouring into our dying Republic.
Thats funny. I've been watching this situation for decades now and everything I've seen and heard during that time informs me that Rubio and his plan are full of crap.
But lets see how it plays out - if I'm wrong and Rubio has an effective plan that really is good for this country I'll happily admit it.
If YOU are wrong I hope you'll have the integrity to admit it, as well.
Not that it'll matter, if this 'reform' falls short then nothing anyone says will matter anyway.
Rubio, along with the Dems, and most of the GOP, just want to to ethnically cleanse all non-Hispanics out of our home. I despise them all.
I agree with your take on this. As he said, barry was going to what he wanted one way or another, it would be naive to just sit on the sidelines and do nothing.
Somedays I just laugh, what else does barry got up his sleeve, he’s thrown so much at the wall in the last 2 weeks alone. Psy-ops for sure, it sadly, it seems to be working.
Has anyone suggested enforcing employer sanctions and verifications?
Those two points aren't an either/or choice.
The Plan
1. Destroy the Republican Party
2. Before the conservatives can regroup under a different flag,
Destroy the country
Bwahahaha .... (evil villian laugh).
Yeah, it sounds a bit silly said that way, but that is pretty much exactly what 'fundamentally transform' means.
If you are evil enough, you can say or write explicitly what you mean, and nobody will believe you meant what you said, until the bodies are stacked head high. Obama has is an admitted Marxist, and arguably an admitted Muslim. Neither bodes well for the USA.
You may well be right. Rubio is Hispanic and he tilts toward “his people,” just like Obama tilts toward “his.” In a perfect world, all the illegals would have to go home, but it would appear that neither party is willing to do that. Even Reagan wouldn't. But we do need to make certain that the border is really secured before any illegals get amnesty. We should also change the so called “birthright citizenship.” Otherwise, Mexico will just continue to procreate and send us the results, because the “white” spaniards who run Mexico consider the “indigenous people” to be trash.
There is only one solution to this problem which, if left unchecked, will surely destroy this nation - make illegal immigration illegal again.
No jobs
No education
No medical care other than emergency
No benefits whatsoever
Zero tolerance.
THIS is the right thing to do. Anything less is the proverbial bill of goods - more lies from the government.
“Zero tolerance.”
You are right! How do we get it to happen? The politicians are for ever sifting the populous for votes. Both parties see Mexican illegals as voters, or in the case of the GOPe, strong backs and weak minds for their “business buddies.” I had a Silicon Valley business owner tell me that he couldn’t survive “without illegal labor.”
“If YOU are wrong I hope you’ll have the integrity to admit it, as well.”
If I am wrong? I think the only effective solution to illegal immigration is to cut off the goodies, and really secure the border. Rubio seems to be wanting to deal primarily with those that are already here (i.e. he’s vote buying). I would also prefer to deport all of those twelve million odd “break in artists,” but I’m not holding my breath that that will ever happen. We’ve been down this road more than once. We always seem to be able to “accommodate” the illegal influx, but we never get around to the stemming the tide piece. Maybe it’s time we invaded Mexico and threw out their corrupt government. Then we could control both sides of the border. The only real problem with Mexico is that it’s populated with “free-lunch folks.” Just think, we already have at least ten percent of Mexico’s population.
Can’t argue with any of that:)
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