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Study: 37 Percent of Employed College Graduates Didnít Even Need Their Education
The Daily Caller ^ | 2:55 AM 01/29/2013 | Robby Soave

Posted on 01/29/2013 12:03:09 PM PST by drewh

With record numbers of college graduates underemployed in jobs that don’t actually require degrees, economists are joking that even aspiring janitors may soon have to get master’s degrees to compete for jobs.

A study released Monday by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity found that 37 percent of employed graduates didn’t need to attend college at all to successfully perform their current jobs.

The study was co-authored by Dr. Richard Vedder, an economics professor at Ohio University and director of CCAP; Jonathan Robe, a CCAP researcher; and Christopher Denhart, an economics student at the university.

“Just as a bachelor’s degree gives current applicants for bartender jobs an edge over those with just a high-school diploma, so a master’s degree holder will have an advantage over those with a mere bachelor’s degree,” the authors write in the study.

If trends continue, graduates will become more educated in order to compete for jobs that should belong to less-educated workers, they predict.

“We jokingly predict that colleges will offer a master’s degree in Janitorial Studies within a decade or two, and anyone seeking employment as a janitor will discover no one will hire unless proof of possession of such a degree is presented,” they write.

For many workers, a degree isn’t adding anything to their necessary skill set beyond a credential, said Robe.

“If the new normal for janitors becomes possession of some sort of higher education credential, the only way to advance yourself is to continue to pursue more education, and the problem there is the education doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with your actual skill set,” said Robe, in an interview with The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Robe blamed government spending — such as federal student loan subsidies — for exacerbating the underemployment problem.

“Particularly recently, there have been a lot of government programs which are specifically targeted at increasing government spending on education, and increasing college attainment as a result of that spending, and what we’re saying is maybe we should question that and say, ‘to what end?’” said Robe. “If we were to, as President Obama wants to do, increase the number of Americans with college degrees, but there aren’t the jobs for them, are we actually making things worse off?”

President Obama has repeatedly pledged to make the U.S. the most college-educated country in the world by the end of the decade.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/29/study-37-percent-of-employed-college-graduates-didnt-even-need-their-education/#ixzz2JOcUXoyg


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; college; debt; grants; jobs; loans; obamanomics; subsidies; tuition; unemployment

1 posted on 01/29/2013 12:03:13 PM PST by drewh
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To: drewh
someone finally GETS it!

Government is the problem!

All these easy loans and grants the government is handing out is what is driving up the cost of education and simultaneously making a lowly bachelors as useless as a high school diploma.

Exclusivity is what made a college degree important. Hand them out to everyone and they become worthless.

2 posted on 01/29/2013 12:06:35 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

One of our graphic design kids didn’t learn Adobe Premier, Indesign and Photoshop by going to expensive schools like AI. He learned it by downloading a copy of torrent, going to the library to borrow an exercise book on those software and Youtube. I think he mentioned he downloaded copies of Lynda.com videos LOL


3 posted on 01/29/2013 12:17:28 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: drewh
I sure as hell didn't need, English 101, Rocks for Jocks, Philosophy 101...and all those other mandatory garbage courses for idiots.

And the other "occupation type" courses were supportive but not practical.

We need trade colleges or work/college programs.

4 posted on 01/29/2013 12:18:13 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: drewh

37 percent of employed graduates didn’t need to attend college at all to successfully perform their current jobs

- - - - - -

How many of them needed the college degree to get the job?


5 posted on 01/29/2013 12:19:57 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: drewh

DEGREE BUBBLE:

Victory of Prof’s need to earn over students’ need to earn.

1. stocks crashed
2. land values crashed
3. Lib Arts Univ. system currently crashing


6 posted on 01/29/2013 12:23:41 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Sacajaweau

I watched a debate on PBS with Charles Murray (trying to find a link), in which he argued that very thing. Most college degrees (bachelors) are basically worthless, and the time and money would be much better spent on direct occupationally related trade degree programs.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 12:25:41 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Public school teachers are a good example. They make 70-80K a year for having a masters degree in 1st grade milk-n-cookies, and it's only a part-time job.

OK, none of the K-12 public school teachers are teaching anything tougher than 12th grade classes.

Shouldn't even a really smart high school graduate be able to teach others the same thing? An associate degree in education should be the max required, especially for those teaching grade school.

Public sector education groups are screwing over taxpayers with trumped up education standards.

8 posted on 01/29/2013 12:30:04 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Sacajaweau; All
Do Too Many Kids Go To College? (audio of the NPR debate with Charles Murray)
9 posted on 01/29/2013 12:32:27 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: drewh

THere are only a few professions that you “need” an undergraduate degree for. Engineering, Physician, Research Scientist, Biologist etc. being a few.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 12:38:14 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: drewh

I was told to “just get that piece of paper”
so I did

I tell others to “just get that piece of paper”
because that’s what society dictates, you most likely won’t learn anything you couldn’t learn on your own.

A high school degree is worthless, a college degree is barely worth a high school degree of decades ago.
I was told that in the early 80’s and glad I have my little piece of soon-to-be worthless paper.

My Jobs out of college never required a 4 year degree - but it helped tremendously in getting those jobs.

Time for my Masters?


11 posted on 01/29/2013 12:56:30 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for links to the 2011 & 2012 FR Cookbooks- Enjoy)
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To: drewh

I guess that would include Daily Caller founder Tucker Carlson. He’s got a degree in history.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 1:27:53 PM PST by stormer
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To: TexasFreeper2009

another social engineering fail..why can’t the govt just leave things alone? I’m tired of paying for all their utopian unintended consequences failure of ideas.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 1:34:58 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: gaijin

Degree bubble is right. View college as a system of pushing as many paying customers through the door as possible, whether or not they need the product. The government gives them the means to go and because of the subsidy, college prices simply keep going up. Its a racket to make college professors and administrators rich. And it has nothing to do with whether the student/customers actually need the product.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 1:46:06 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: thackney

“How many of them needed the college degree to get the job?”

And there’s the rub isn’t it. Complaining that young folks are worthless and irresponsible when the truth is that barriers are put up everywhere now. Credentialism is a great evil.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 2:15:18 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Beagle8U

“Shouldn’t even a really smart high school graduate be able to teach others the same thing? An associate degree in education should be the max required, especially for those teaching grade school.”

Disagree. Teaching should require a degree in the subject you plan to teach. As it is you have Math teachers who never took grade 12 math.

But that should be all that is required.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 2:16:42 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge; thackney

>> “Complaining that young folks are worthless and irresponsible when the truth is that barriers are put up everywhere now. Credentialism is a great evil.” <<

.
Really?

Then you see no need to test engineers competency to design bridges or sky scrapers?
.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 2:18:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I see no need to require entry level service industry positions to have a bachelor’s degree. None whatsoever.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 2:24:58 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: drewh

That’s OK. More than 37% don’t even have an education.


19 posted on 01/29/2013 2:49:56 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: rottndog; Sacajaweau

One thing it does do is weed out some riff raff, which is harder to do now without putting yourself at risk for lawsuits.

Which is not to say we’re not wasting a lot of people’s time, just that there are some good reasons for it. Even if they are artificial ones we’ve created.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 2:58:20 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Beagle8U
They make 70-80K a year for having a masters degree in 1st grade milk-n-cookies, and it's only a part-time job.

While....I'm very far, far away from being a public ed. defender....I don't think the median avg. salary for MA degree'd teachers is 70-80k....

Maybe I'm wrong..as I don't track them...so let's just be accurate in our numbers.

21 posted on 01/29/2013 3:01:21 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’ve got pretty decent credentials and I agree wholeheartedly.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 3:01:45 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: drewh

And the study was probably skewed to show as low of a percentage as possible. See the likely subjective ones who did it.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 3:22:37 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: drewh
It's all about $$$ for the Education Establishment.......Push that Physical Therapists need to have a PHD....when a BA worked just fine.

Push that a RN needs a BA...when a AS in Nursing was just fine.

Plenty of other examples.....

It's all about $$$ for the E.E.C. ( Education Establishment Complex )

And considering "teachers" are mainly Union...they have their "supporter's" in D.C.

24 posted on 01/29/2013 3:37:45 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: rolling_stone

Anything subsidized via 3rd party payer tends to be exorbitantly overpriced.

(Healthcare ‘insurance’ ,college, Medicare, etc.)


25 posted on 01/29/2013 3:57:12 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Its a racket to make college professors and administrators rich. And it has nothing to do with whether the student/customers actually need the product.

The Education Industrial Complex.
26 posted on 01/29/2013 4:10:15 PM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
“Shouldn’t even a really smart high school graduate be able to teach others the same thing? An associate degree in education should be the max required, especially for those teaching grade school.”

My mother and her grandmother immigrated to the US in 1920, she was twelve years old. It took her about six weeks to learn English, granny never learned. Mom attended "normal school" through eighth grade and then attended "Teachers College" which amounted to high school.

Most kids did not attend beyond eighth grade but if you ever run across the comprehensive exam they had to complete to graduate you'd be impressed by the difficulty level of the questions. I'd think that few if any college graduate English majors would pass.

Regards,
GtG

27 posted on 01/29/2013 5:45:29 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Different times, unfortunately. Different times. I try lots of that with my classes - the older stuff that’s completely out of fashion today. I don’t care much about what the books say they *should* know for their age. I try to give them whatever they can get their hands on.

Makes me sad. So many struggle with the basics these days, like reading and spelling. I could spend all my time on just that and the kids would excel.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 5:50:10 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Osage Orange
The state average for teachers in MI is $61,000. and that isn't for just those with a masters. Many teachers here make 100k with all the garbage add on's. And by ‘add on's’ I don't mean fringe benefits.
29 posted on 01/31/2013 10:49:16 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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