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Baptist Leaders Predict 'Mass Exodus' From Scouts Over Gay Leader Decision
Christian Post ^ | 01/29/2013 | By Alex Murashko

Posted on 01/29/2013 1:57:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The Southern Baptist Convention expressed extreme disappointment Monday to news that the Boy Scouts of America will likely approve admission of professed homosexuals as scout leaders, with officials close to the SBC predicting a mass exodus out of Scouting by Baptist churches.

A vote on the matter by BSA is planned during an executive meeting in Irving, Texas, the first week of February.

"This is a catastrophic decision for the Boy Scouts of America. In order to placate their East and West Coast appendages, they are tearing out the heart of their Midwest and Southern support. This decision will lead to a mass exodus of traditional, orthodox Christianity from the Boy Scouts, including thousands of Catholic, Baptist and other traditional faith congregations," Dr. Richard Land, speaking in his role as head of SBC's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, told The Christian Post.

Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, told USA Today that the policy change would be "nothing less than disastrous for the Boy Scouts of America." In a blog post, Mohler asserted that the "new policy announced yesterday is almost sure to please no one and to lead to disaster for the Scouts. Those pressing for a reversal of the national policy are not likely to be satisfied with a local option."

"I am very disappointed the Board is considering this," Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee President and CEO Frank Page, an Eagle Scout, told The Christian Post. "This action reverses the findings of a two-year study last July that affirmed their principled stand on biblical morality. From what they told me, they are wilting under pressure from some of their corporate sponsors and the fear they could lose a future court case, despite the fact that they prevailed before the Supreme Court on this very issue."

SBC's president, Fred Luter, who is a former Cub Scout and Boy Scout, also expressed disappointment, reported Baptist Press.

"If that is what the leadership is doing, then I think it will be a sad day in the life of the Boy Scouts of America," Luter told Baptist Press. "This is a tradition that so many of us across the country grew up in. We were in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts in elementary school, and this organization has always stood for biblical principles – all the things that grounded our lives as a young kid growing up. To now see this organization that I thought stood on biblical principles about to give in to the politically correct thing is very disappointing."

In addition to meeting with SBC, top executives with the Boy Scouts of America had met with top leaders at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Catholic Church, among others, over the last few weeks to inform them of the policy shift, according to a source who has knowledge of the situation.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), when contacted by CP, released a statement on Monday, but offered little information.

"The Church is aware that BSA is contemplating a change in its leadership policy. However, BSA has not yet made any such change. Until we are formally notified that it has done so, it would be inappropriate for the Church to comment," stated LDS spokesman Michael Purdy.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan of the Roman Catholic Church was unavailable for comment on Monday.

The Mormon Church, Catholic Diocese and Southern Baptist Convention are three of the largest religious organizations that are closely affiliated with the BSA. Troops, as local units are called, often meet in and use church facilities for their weekly gatherings. Many troops are formed solely from within churches given that the BSA's objectives and development programs often run parallel to the doctrine of many major religious groups. However, church membership or religious beliefs are not a requirement for membership in the BSA.

The Southern Baptist Convention was asked last week to not oppose the Boy Scouts, according to Page.

"Wayne Brock (Chief Scout Executive of the BSA, headquartered in Texas) visited with me last week, signaling the possibility they would consider this proposal at their February board meeting. He specifically asked the Southern Baptist Convention not to oppose this move. Of course, I refused to make this concession," Page told CP.

Also, SBC sent the Boy Scouts a letter "strongly asking them to reconsider this decision," according to SBC spokesperson Sing Oldham.

On Monday, BSA gave a statement via email to CP. "For more than 100 years, Scouting's focus has been on working together to deliver the nation's foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training. Scouting has always been in an ongoing dialogue with the Scouting family to determine what is in the best interest of the organization and the young people we serve," wrote Deron Smith, BSA's director of Public Relations.

"Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs. BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.

"The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic, or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue. The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents. Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs," Smith stated.


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1 posted on 01/29/2013 1:57:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No kidding. What’s the point of being in the BSA if they’re not all real boys? May as well get rid of the “Boy” part and just call it “Scouts”. Man, we are going down the toilet fast.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 2:02:09 PM PST by albie
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To: SeekAndFind

> Baptist Leaders Predict ‘Mass Exodus’ From Scouts Over Gay
> Leader Decision

Count on it.

End of an era.

But it promotes the feminization of the American male, so it’s a win-win for the commies.

As an aside, I know a young man who was considering joining the marines. But after the betrayal at Benghazi, Fort Hood, the Rules of Engagement, the openly gay military, and so many other betrayals, he’s decided not to enlist.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 2:02:40 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I consider myself fortunate to have belonged to the Young Men’s Christian Association’s Indian Guides and later the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts. Not long ago, the Indian Guides program was discontinued, a victim of—you guessed it—political correctness. Now it’s the BSA’s turn.


4 posted on 01/29/2013 2:07:43 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cardinal Timothy Dolan of the Roman Catholic Church was unavailable for comment on Monday.

He was too busy re-assigning pederast priests.
5 posted on 01/29/2013 2:15:29 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: SeekAndFind
For 100 years Scouting has been a “safe place” for boys.

Putting boys out in the woods with practicing homosexuals is a recipe for disaster.

6 posted on 01/29/2013 2:15:41 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: SeekAndFind

I promise that my decades long funding of the Boy Scouts will cease, should this stand.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 2:19:22 PM PST by EasySt (Time to build that gulch...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, the scouts motto “Be Prepared” now takes on new meaning; i.e. KY jelly and bending exercises. To wax serious get your boys out. It is sad yet another institution ruined by egalitarianism.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 2:26:25 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Gabrial
The purpose is to destroy an organization that teaches morality and uprightness. Allow homosexuals to join, have them molest the boys, have parents sue BSA into bankruptcy and shut down the organization forever.

Baal is so proud of his minions' progress.

9 posted on 01/29/2013 2:28:53 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SeekAndFind
Southern Baptist Convention?


10 posted on 01/29/2013 2:30:14 PM PST by Marko413
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To: SeekAndFind

“Step on into the hen house, Mr. Fox. Here, let me hold the door open for you.”


11 posted on 01/29/2013 2:30:39 PM PST by moovova
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To: SeekAndFind

If they do this, they might as well close up shop because they will be out of business in no time.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 2:35:53 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My little Tiger and I have a den meeting tonight. This is very sad.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 2:36:54 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: SeekAndFind

Good for the Southern Baptists. My son’s troop is sponsored by an SBC Church, so I hope they hold the line on this. I am worried about the entire situation, and our local Council posted a link to the national press release with no comment - I’m afraid that’s bad news.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 2:40:37 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not like the fools don't know what inevitably happens when active, practicing homosexuals are placed in close contact with pubescent boys and teenagers. All they need are two names: Jerry Sanusky and the Catholic Church. Given the absolute foreseeabiliy of mass, repeated sexual molestation once they abrogate the no homosexuals rule, it's hard to see how those who vote to abrogate it could end up not being held personally liable to the hundreds of boys who will end up being violated. If they think they run a risk of successful lawsuits now, just imagine what will happen once the rump riders hit the purple sage.

The other point they don't seem to understand is that the military and Catholic Church offer more and better benefits to their members than the Boy Scouts ever can, making the military and church lesss vulnerable to mass refusals to join than the Scouts. The military offers the honor of patriotic service (at least until the Illegal kills that) and a career and the Church offers eternal salvation, while all the scouts offer are outdoor recreational opportunities. The opportunity for outdoor recreational opportunities will, for most parents, hardly offset the real risk of having their sons buggered.

15 posted on 01/29/2013 2:47:27 PM PST by libstripper
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To: SeekAndFind

Standing by a principled decision despite an onslaught of criticism is the best lesson a young man can have-caving in to shrill hysteria is the worst. A teachable moment will be forever lost if the BSA capitulates.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 2:49:18 PM PST by Spok
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To: SeekAndFind; GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; ...

Baptist ping


17 posted on 01/29/2013 2:50:22 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: SeekAndFind

Many people say that they support gay marriage, but how many parents look down in crib and dream of that child growing up and “marrying” someone of the same sex.

Many people want to appear tolerant and accepting of a homosexual lifestyle, but how many parents want their young boy closely mentored by a homosexual.

Coincidently, it’s not widely reported, but the troops come back from Afghanistan reporting that man/boy sex is the cultural norm over there. But the Afhanis strongly deny that they are homosexual, and some of the Blue on Green violence is due to our troop’s disgust with these practices.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 2:51:30 PM PST by calico_thompson
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Sadly, what you predict is exactly what will happen. Remember, most people who want their sons to join the Scouts are upright religious people who don't want their sons introduced to the "gay lifestyle" and will refuse to let the boys join in the first place. The Church rode out the scandal because it offers eternal salvation; the Scouts, OTOH, only offer outdoor recreational opportunities, something that can readily be offered by lots of other organizations.
19 posted on 01/29/2013 2:53:59 PM PST by libstripper
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To: slumber1

What a helpful post. With the establishment about to authorize sodomy on the Boy Scouts of America, hurling gratuitous insults at allies is such a good idea.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 2:56:15 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: libstripper

Given that the Catholic Church is one of a dwindling number that actually oppose homosexuality, you’re cutting your nose off to spite your face.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 2:56:55 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Martin Tell

This is very sad but it’s better to get your son out BEFORE something bad happens — so this is actually a wonderful opportunity. Thing is, even if your council stays straight, the inter-council jamborees (or whatever they’re called now) will be thoroughly contaminated and unsafe.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 3:02:17 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: SeekAndFind

“This is a catastrophic decision for the Boy Scouts of America.”

Yes, it certainly is.

But Obama is happy, as is the vast American army of destroyers of all things good, noble, and decent.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 3:03:15 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: libstripper
Actually,no. The Church has cleaned up the mess, which was caused by liberal American bishops defying the Vatican and ordaining active homosexuals to the priesthood.

The liberal bishops did exactly the same thing BSA is now doing - with the same results that the BSA is going to get shortly.

The Vatican stepped in, and is now replacing the libs who caused all the trouble with good orthodox bishops. There are still going to be people who slip through, but there's been a big change.

24 posted on 01/29/2013 3:04:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SeekAndFind
People don't realize there are two groups of Boy Scout leaders.

The very few Professional Leaders who work for the national association and the local counsels, and the vast majority of volunteer leaders, like myself, who do the work because we believe in the mission of Boy Scouting.

Gay pressure groups have had some success at cutting off funding for the national association, putting the pay of the very few Professionals in jeopardy.

What has happened here is that those very few have sold out the majority of volunteers for fear of losing some of their pay. This won't go down quietly or in any way pretty.

25 posted on 01/29/2013 3:08:45 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: SeekAndFind
The BSA has always had to deal with what they call the three G issues.

People disagreeing with them on God, girls and gays.

They have people who want God drummed out because they are atheists.

They sorta solved the girl thing by instituting Explorers.

They are now trying to placate one lesbian scout leader.

It seems as though by doing so they will be adding another G.

Good Christians.

Do they really want to go down that path?

26 posted on 01/29/2013 3:13:49 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Agreed, and the reason the Catholic Church appears to include such conspicuous sinners -- not only the fallen priests and bishops but also politicians -- is because Satan tries hardest where the potential for good is greatest: i.e. The Catholic Church. Unfortunately, many souls are lost due to this very mechanism.
27 posted on 01/29/2013 3:14:04 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: albie

They could go with the British designation: Scouting for Boys.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 3:14:13 PM PST by Rastus
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To: slumber1
He was too busy re-assigning pederast priests.

That's not funny. As a Catholic and a scout leader, I can tell you that the men leading our local troop and pack are the most conservative, upstanding guys you'll find. It's our Church you're talking about. Your goofy attempt at a joke has no place here.

29 posted on 01/29/2013 3:14:48 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: albie

Check the story at what I think is the correct address:

www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121017-boy-scouts-confidential-files-shoe-pattern-of-grooming-behavior-in-child-molesters

but I can’t figure out how to get it from here. I am trying to use s not so smart phone


30 posted on 01/29/2013 3:17:21 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: albie

Check the story at what I think is the correct address:

www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121017-boy-scouts-confidential-files-shoe-pattern-of-grooming-behavior-in-child-molesters

but I can’t figure out how to get it from here. I am trying to use s not so smart phone


31 posted on 01/29/2013 3:17:21 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: albie

Check the story at what I think is the correct address:

www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121017-boy-scouts-confidential-files-shoe-pattern-of-grooming-behavior-in-child-molesters

but I can’t figure out how to get it from here. I am trying to use s not so smart phone


32 posted on 01/29/2013 3:17:29 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: SeekAndFind
If true, this will piss me off.

It will be yet another milestone in the dark victory of the left against America.

None of our traditions, none of our morals, none of our greatness as a country are safe from this evil grinding down of America.

I can't stand the popcorn that the Boy Scouts sell, but I'll go out of my way and over my budget to donate $5 or $10 to every Boy Scout I see during their fundraisers.

No more.

I have a six year old son. I had planned on enrolling him in scouting this year.

Not now. I won't subject him to that danger.

The BSA is much stronger fighting this onslought on the national level than will be individual troops that still want to instill strength, knowledge, and morality into the boys.

33 posted on 01/29/2013 3:20:27 PM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Gabrial

My boys will not be a part of the new Boy Scouts.


34 posted on 01/29/2013 3:20:43 PM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.)
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To: Marko413

Who are they?


35 posted on 01/29/2013 3:22:10 PM PST by still lurking
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To: SeekAndFind; Morgana

skinny dipping, chocolate body massages and sensual dance badges coming soon


36 posted on 01/29/2013 3:24:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Fiji Hill

The YMCA of Toronto has nude swimming for the kiddos... disguting pervs


37 posted on 01/29/2013 3:27:23 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the BSA do make this policy change, the American Heritage Girls should immediately drop their agreement of mutual support with the BSA and form American Heritage Boys.

Someone is going to fill the void.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 3:31:12 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: JCBreckenridge; All

When I used the Church as an example, I used its scandals and the massive amount those scandals cost it. I did not intend either to state or imply that it was encouraging such activity and did not intend to attack the Church. The frightful damage it suffered by allowing active homosexuals near youths is a compelling exmple of why not to do that.


39 posted on 01/29/2013 3:39:52 PM PST by libstripper
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To: SeekAndFind

R.I.P. BSA...

Hello HGBTSA.

God forgive us, and extend our apologies to Sodom.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 3:42:41 PM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: SeekAndFind
Baptist Leaders Predict 'Mass Exodus' From Scouts Over Gay Leader Decision

Well yeah. That is the point....Hussein Obama(the leader of the far left) hates wholesomeness and every bit of Americana. Duh...

41 posted on 01/29/2013 4:28:14 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Marko413

what is this supposed to mean?


42 posted on 01/29/2013 4:43:57 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: SeekAndFind

If they do approve of homosexual leaders, the scouts will be a thing of the past.


43 posted on 01/29/2013 5:01:28 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: libstripper

True. However,the Church did not take the step that the boy scouts are doing here and devolving central authority to the troops. That’s the crucial difference. The Church took the opposite route in cleaning out the worst of it and replacing the local leadership. The Church did not change canon law to accommodate the perverts.

The Boy scouts have made a drastic mistake by not showing leadership on the national level. This is bad, very bad.


44 posted on 01/29/2013 5:03:32 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think they’re right.

The Boys Scouts betrayed what they are.


45 posted on 01/29/2013 6:13:35 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: GeronL

It was very common to have nude swimming classes for boys up until the 1970s. I graduated in 1976, and we had nude swimming classes from the 7th grade on.


46 posted on 01/29/2013 6:36:07 PM PST by quietly desperate (nm)
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To: quietly desperate

perverts ran that too I guess. There is absolutely no reason for it.

The YMCA Toronto nude swims are co-ed btw, yes in our hyper-sexualized culture of today


47 posted on 01/29/2013 8:49:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

~ Stand & Fight ~


48 posted on 01/29/2013 8:51:49 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, it will destroy Scouting in America.

And that’s perfectly fine with the self-centered homo-Nazis.


49 posted on 01/29/2013 9:12:32 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is the correct link to the story about how the deviants try to use youth groups to indoctrinate the kids:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121017-boy-scouts-confidential-files-show-pattern-of-grooming-behavior-in-molesters.ece


50 posted on 01/29/2013 9:24:33 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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