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Women in Combat? Some Marines React
nytimes.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | THOMAS JAMES BRENNAN

Posted on 01/29/2013 6:57:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, announced last week that the Pentagon was lifting the policy that had barred women from specific combat roles. But Marines who have served in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan – myself included – worry that the decision did not take the opinions of infantrymen into account.

Being an infantryman isn’t just about uncomfortable living situations. It’s kill or be killed, blood, entrails and fear. We are a brotherhood; a collection of ragtag men who hunt and kill the enemy and travel to undesirable places to do even more undesirable things. Maybe women can join the infantry and succeed, but many of us are not sure. There’s more at stake here than equal opportunity and political correctness.

“It’s the worst decision that the military could make,” Marine Staff Sgt. Alex Reyes, who has deployed twice to both Afghanistan and Iraq, told me. “I haven’t met an infantry Marine, from senior leadership to lower levels, that has been in agreement with the change and that’s going to cause major problems when it is implemented. Even females I talk to think it’s a crazy idea – completely off the wall.”

“They’re fighting and they’re dying together,” he said during a Jan. 24 news conference. “The time has come for our policies to recognize that reality.”

Though the issue had been studied by the services, many Marines feel the policy change was rash and, despite promises of equal standards from officials, worry that those standards will be lowered to make it possible for women to get into front-line units.

(Excerpt) Read more at atwar.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: combat; marine; secdef; women

1 posted on 01/29/2013 6:57:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
the decision did not take the opinions of infantrymen into account.

When the king wants your opinion, he'll give it to you.

2 posted on 01/29/2013 7:00:42 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t mind the question being looked at, if there is zero political interference on the question. Thanks to technological advances, it is a reasonable question to ask if there are military positions that can now be filled by women that could not before.

But it has to be the military that does the assessment and politicians need to keep their mouths shut.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 7:01:54 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How would you like an all women squad on your left flank as you were attacking the enemy?


4 posted on 01/29/2013 7:04:47 PM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: grobdriver; Tailgunner Joe


When the Pharaoh wants your opinion, he'll give it to you.

5 posted on 01/29/2013 7:07:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Jonty30
Technological advances? What the hell does that have to do with women in combat?

There is no currently used technology that makes females remotely as capable as men when it comes to humping 200+ pounds of gear, body armor and weaponry in nasty countries full of nasty thuggith people and shooting/blowing apart said thugs. Thugs that would like nothing better than to get their feral hands on some small 110 pound American woman thought she could handle combat.

If you stepped on an IED and got your legs blown off, would you want to rely on a woman half your size and weight and 30% of your body strength to drag you, under fire, to safety? This whole thing is bullsh!t, politically correct insanity.

6 posted on 01/29/2013 7:10:33 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In a truly culturally sensitive and non-sexist American military the women’s role would be to torture captives like the Indian women did.
To death, slowly and horribly.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 7:12:49 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I said it was a reasonable question to ask, in light of technological changes that have happened in the military. It was not a supportive position, if it was not feasible.

I also said that this was for the military to determine, and only the military. Politicians need to stay out of it, that is my position.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 7:17:59 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Having females in combat with men is nothing less than deliberately introducing ambiguity to your strength. It’s a sin of the highest order in the Art of War.

Any military officer who does not vehemently object is incompetent and should be immediately removed from our fighting forces.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 7:30:08 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Jonty30

Having women in combat with men? There’s actually nothing reasonable about the question. Nothing.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 7:43:25 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: vicar7
How would you like an all women squad on your left flank as you were attacking the enemy?

With or without PMS?

11 posted on 01/29/2013 8:31:16 PM PST by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Jonty30
Thanks to technological advances, it is a reasonable question to ask if there are military positions that can now be filled by women that could not before.

However, being able to fill some positions and not others is in itself a deficiency. If males are able to fill all positions and females only some, by introducing females to the equation, you are degrading your group by reducing your options.

12 posted on 01/29/2013 8:38:18 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’ll say it again. I’ll laugh at the liberal obama worshippers when they start crying because their daughters are drafted and assigned to an infantry unit.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 9:12:12 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long does America have?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

the day women can compete in men’s sports, ie: the NFL, and perform equally is the day I’ll reconsider whether or not it makes sense

hell, allow men into women’s baseball or women’s football and we’ll see how they fare


14 posted on 01/29/2013 11:04:58 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

The Soviets in WW2 had women snipers ,which is a very specialized,and limited role.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 11:20:55 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

>>>The Soviets in WW2 had women snipers ,which is a very specialized,and limited role.<<<

It was about sitting for weeks in a bog or climbing sewers and air systems in bombed out cities preying for careless Nazis, stupid enough to hang in the open. A few men could handle a job, thus it is not that demanding in terms of physical strength. Women are better than men in terms of wish for survival and making things done to accomplish it. They are more patient, accurate and careful. It has something with maternal instinct. Their bodies are more durable in terms of hypothermia.
And don’t get fooled with womens’ whining. It is a tool of manipulation to make males work for them. As soon as there are no males around to help them out they won’t whine.
Hasn’t one ever divorced here? How was it going? Who was a predator at the time? I guess you got what I mean.

All of the above doesn’t make women good soldiers for 95% of combat situations.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 12:02:04 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: vicar7

Are they raging like my daughters, one week a month. Put a rifle in their hands and have at ‘me.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 4:42:25 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: vicar7

Are they raging like my daughters, one week a month. Put a rifle in their hands and have at ‘em.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 4:42:39 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: grobdriver
the decision did not take the opinions of infantrymen into account.

I disagree ... I believe that statement is wrong. Quite the contrary, in fact.

The demonicRats know full well that the Grunts (Army or Marine, Private to General) are against it. They know full well that their decision is detrimental to the effectiveness of the American military.

THAT is why Barackula the Destroyer is so much in favor of it.

19 posted on 01/30/2013 4:46:53 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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