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Women could be great Navy SEALs, says head of Special Ops
csmonitor.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | Anna Mulrine

Posted on 01/29/2013 7:18:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The head of Special Operations Forces (SOF) says he supports the integration of women into the elite force.

“It’s time to do this,” says the organization’s top officer, Adm. William McRaven.

“We’ve had women supporting direct Special Operations for quite some time,” he added in remarks Tuesday morning at the Special Operations/Low Intensity Conflict conference in Washington.

The necessity, he said, is ensuring that all special operators are in peak physical condition. “The one thing we want to make sure [we do is] we maintain our standards,” McRaven said. ....

McRaven said that he has been reading recent Pentagon guidance about establishing “gender-neutral standards.”

Currently, he said, “we have no gender standards,” since it is only males who have been going through Ranger and Navy SEAL training, for example.

It’s important that there is not a two-tiered standard of physical requirements going forward, he adds.

That said, McRaven says he has no doubt that some women will flourish in the elite SOF community. “I guarantee you” that there will be females who come to the basic underwater demolition (BUD/S), the Navy SEAL course, “and do a phenomenal job.”

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1 posted on 01/29/2013 7:18:23 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yep, this was predictable


2 posted on 01/29/2013 7:21:03 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Seems that virtually all top officers have undergone some sort of diabolical disorientation (with an emphasis on political correctness).


3 posted on 01/29/2013 7:21:03 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I think they could be great navy seals too. Not the kind that goes on dangerous missions at great risk to themselves, but the kind that has to honk horns in a musical order to get a free fish.


4 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:50 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: steve86

So they have some girls from the special Olympics who are qualified as spec ops?
Simply amazing, Kerry as SecDef, the world is upside down.......


5 posted on 01/29/2013 7:26:36 PM PST by 9422WMR
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some time ago I saw a documentary that followed a platoon of men and a platoon of women undergoing Marine Recruit Training.It was stated that men and women underwent *exactly* the same training in the USMC...no special consideration was given to the women.After a particularly tough day of training a couple of the guys were interviewed.They appeared tired,sore and even a bit dejected.The women,after the same training schedule,were weeping like little girls.

I wish I could remember the name of the show and find it on youtube and/or DVD.

6 posted on 01/29/2013 7:27:46 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It seems to me that he may be trying to say all the PC things but still have the standards kept the same. That way there will be no women in the special forces but he will be able to say he tried.

Of course if he was truly honest he would just say the truth.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 7:28:38 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What about mission planning? Will there be monthly considerations/accommodations?


8 posted on 01/29/2013 7:30:45 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, only if they integrate them into a BUDS class with no distinction between men and women ... all physical and mental challenges to be equal. If a women can complete BUDS without any consideration for her gender ... go for it.

I know this is an old argument but still a true argument.

However, I suspect that if women are allowed into SEAL training, standards will be lowered either for the women or for the training overall so that women can meet the “standards”.

If this happens, the SEAL teams will become just another special ops contingent with nothing special to offer.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 7:32:15 PM PST by doc1019
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“I guarantee you” that there will be females who come to the basic underwater demolition (BUD/S), the Navy SEAL course, “and do a phenomenal job.”

This a$$hole is sucking up for promotion. It's insulting...

10 posted on 01/29/2013 7:33:20 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: steve86

I can attest to that. My cuz is cuuurently station in Sokor, and they had a pc course...because the women officers were bitching about the way the NCO’s saluted them, believe it or not. This was the same camp that when Odumbo visited and were looking for volunteers, nobody stepped up. Eventually, most of them were ordered to drop their everyday ops and pretend to smile with Klownie the Kenyan.


11 posted on 01/29/2013 7:39:31 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
SEAL training takes nearly a year and is in three phases: (1) BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL), (2) Underwater Swimmer, (3) Land Warfare. After completion of Phase 3, the newly minted SEAL is assigned to a team for operational evaluation by the team members. The new team member is probationary until the team says otherwise. A team can washout a probationary member even at this late stage. Bottom line is that it takes 18 months to win the trident as a bona fide SEAL.

BUD/S has a very high attrition rate and the DOR (drop on request) rate is roughly 75 to 85 percent. Attrition continues in second and third phases. All the SEAL candidates are in top physical shape, but physical strength is not enough. The WILL to dig down deep and push on through pain and lack of sleep and deprivation is something few people have inside. That is the quality that makes SEALs special and why there are so very few of them. Can G.I. Jane qualify? If the guys have such high attrition rates, what woman in her right mind would apply? How many could make the cut?

12 posted on 01/29/2013 7:40:54 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The women could do the explosives part if it was a synchronized swimming position. They’ll never pass the test.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 7:41:02 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hahahaha.

Drug test all flag officers daily. EOD.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 7:43:29 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The women,after the same training schedule,were weeping like little girls.

Most likely they weren't expecting the DIs to actually yell at them. I'm sure that things improved as they got to know each other better...(snicker)

Regards,
GtG

PS I pay good money for a DVD of their BUD/S training!

15 posted on 01/29/2013 7:43:29 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: max americana
Eventually, most of them were ordered to drop their everyday ops and pretend to smile with Klownie the Kenyan.

This is what the Democrats have been shooting for. Get as many as possible on the Govt Plantation. Now they're going for broke with granting amnesty for 11+ million illegals on that same plantation....

16 posted on 01/29/2013 7:44:15 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: Tailgunner Joe

William McRaven is a servant of the Usurper.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 7:49:53 PM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

>>>>Some time ago I saw a documentary that followed a platoon of men and a platoon of women undergoing Marine Recruit Training.It was stated that men and women underwent *exactly* the same training in the USMC...no special consideration was given to the women.After a particularly tough day of training a couple of the guys were interviewed.They appeared tired,sore and even a bit dejected.The women,after the same training schedule,were weeping like little girls.

I wish I could remember the name of the show and find it on youtube and/or DVD.<<<<

In fact female body can survive much longer in a cold environment and it is easier for them to absorb harsh psychological stress for some reason. It made women dominate Soviet sniper corps and night bomber aircrews during WWII. Female teams scored better average results as anti aircraft gunners for Soviets too.
In any other department they couldn’t cope with male soldiers and primary reason is a lack of physical strength.
There is a reason why sports are sexually segregated. You can’t make women play football or box with men. For that same reason you can’t put them in infantry, let alone specops.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 7:51:39 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Antoninus II

There’s a reason why you don’t see any pics of Odumbo with the the grunts. From my cuz told me on leave a year ago, they ALL intentionally showed pissed off faces in the pictures.

The MSM photogs assigned to the trip didn’t use any of them as they were bad. The BN were all laughing in the mess hall later when he left. To add, the grunts didn’t like the way the SS treated them and there was some scuffles afterwards. You don;t hear any of this in the news..


19 posted on 01/29/2013 7:55:17 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeaaaa.... right.

Mr. Log will set this right. Mr. Log don’t care about political correctness.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 7:55:17 PM PST by NVDave
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