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Swept Away - Navy to scrap $277 million ship to avoid scraping reef
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | 1/30/2013 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 01/30/2013 12:35:06 PM PST by PieterCasparzen

A United States minesweeper ship that crashed into a coral reef due to inaccurate Navy maps will have to be cut into small pieces and removed in order to prevent harming the ocean’s ecosystem, according to the Navy and other reports.

The $277 million USS Guardian, a Naval warship that clears waterways of mines, crashed into a coral reef near the Philippines earlier this month.

The Navy will disassemble it piece by piece in order to avoid damaging the reef rather than tow the multi-million dollar ship off of the reef and perform necessary repairs.

“Our only supportable option is to dismantle the damaged ship and remove it in sections,” Capt. Darryn James, a spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, was quoted as saying Tuesday by the Military Times.

One Navy source criticized decision makers for deliberately destroying the expensive warship just weeks before devastating cuts to the defense budget are scheduled to take place.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: federalspending; military; navy; usnavy; ussgaurdian
Need to scream and yell about this, we're goin' nuts with this already. It's one reef, it'll bounce back. Nuts.
1 posted on 01/30/2013 12:35:12 PM PST by PieterCasparzen
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To: PieterCasparzen

Are you F’n kidding me?

This is beyond nuts. We are the laughing stock of every competent military in the world!


2 posted on 01/30/2013 12:39:09 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: PieterCasparzen

Substantially more damage will be done to the reef in the process of dismantling the ship than if it were simply tugged off the reef. Politically correct policy run amuck, again.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 12:39:09 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

The US Navy..

1. Put women on nuclear subs

2. Names new ships after 60’s radicals

3. Makes combat aviation documentaries featuring ONLY minorities

4. Cuts up $0.2 billion ships to avoid damaging REEFS


4 posted on 01/30/2013 12:40:51 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Louis Foxwell

The goal of course is to do as much massive destruction to the reef as is possible all in the name of protecting these tiny critters.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 12:41:52 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I went to the original article on ABC (not the linked posting). There may be more to it—it’s a wooden-hulled minesweeper, and the hull is trashed and leaking. They could have lifted it onto a barge, but they claim it’s too damaged for that.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 12:43:37 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: PieterCasparzen

Anchor the dang thing there and claim it in the name of Obama.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 12:45:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Louis Foxwell

This is monumentally asinine. The ship can easily be floated off the reef. What in fact is the nature of the reef? Is a more ignorant, ridiculous solution even conceivable?


8 posted on 01/30/2013 12:47:03 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yeah, read that too. Not your “typical” ship it seems.


9 posted on 01/30/2013 12:49:46 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Pearls Before Swine

That’s true, it’s been sitting there getting the crap beat out of it 24/7. The hull is really beyond repair.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 12:50:59 PM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: gaijin
And don't forget those new "aquaflage" uniforms ...

11 posted on 01/30/2013 12:54:19 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I see the mail (uk) has the same story.

For something that cost $277 million, though, I’d think fix the hull.

I have no idea not being knowledgable on the subject, but scrapping it entirely, I don’t see how they’d do that. Seems like it could get towed back and have a new hull for less than $277 million.

Who knows the way things are now. Every piece of military equipment we lose is money out the window is all I keep thinking. We’re borrowing billions per day.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 12:54:19 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

IT’S A WOODEN HULLED SHIP. Mine sweepers can’t have metal hulls..........


13 posted on 01/30/2013 12:55:06 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: oh8eleven

They are for when you fall overboard, they cant find you. Saves a lot of time and money...........


14 posted on 01/30/2013 12:56:22 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Louis Foxwell
The ship can easily be floated off the reef.

No it can't; it went hard aground at high water, then heavy seas pushed it further aground.

The article is garbage, written by an idiot, designed to attract the attention of those who enjoy being outraged and also don't know what they are talking about.

The ship is being cut apart because it's so heavily damaged (and flooded) that's the only way to get it off the reef. It was "totaled" long ago.

The accusation that the ship could have been saved were it not for excessive concern about the reef is beyond stupid.

15 posted on 01/30/2013 12:59:05 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Red Badger; PieterCasparzen

Wood and/or GRP is quite normal for Mine Sweepers.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 12:59:05 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two!)
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To: PieterCasparzen
We've come a long way from Bikini Atoll, baby!
17 posted on 01/30/2013 12:59:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: moose07

This one is probably trashed to splinters on the bottom..........


18 posted on 01/30/2013 1:02:22 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Red Badger wrote:
They are for when you fall overboard, they cant find you. Saves a lot of time and money...........

Not to mention that if they catch on fire, they melt into your skin. I had flame retardant dungaree’s when I was in the Navy (1988-1992), what’s so bad about them? Cause they’re not camo? Who cares - If I were to fall overboard, I’d want to be seen by anyone willing to rescue me!


19 posted on 01/30/2013 1:03:19 PM PST by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yes. Sounds like the keel is broken. It’s scrap anyway. What a bummer for the crew. And we don’t have enough MSMs as it is.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 1:04:23 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: ro_dreaming

Maybe they can meld the sections to the Cruise Ship still on it’s side! And make a cruiser mine sweeper!


21 posted on 01/30/2013 1:05:55 PM PST by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Louis Foxwell

How times have changed. I was recently on the Cook Island of Aitutaki. In the 1940’s, the army corps of engineers blew out part of the reef so that the rest of it formed a beautiful protected harbor. Most beautiful island in the world.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 1:06:11 PM PST by Madhattan
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To: ro_dreaming
Not to mention that if they catch on fire, they melt into your skin.

Hey, it automatically cauterizes the burn! Another plus savings!..........

23 posted on 01/30/2013 1:06:11 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: pabianice

24 posted on 01/30/2013 1:06:23 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Red Badger
Coral and Wood do have a long history of disagreement.

“trashed to splinters “

Would think so.

25 posted on 01/30/2013 1:06:47 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Corals are hardy little animals. As long as the cause of injury is removed they bounce right back. I grow them as a hobby and use to run a retail store. We cut them, break them and glue um to rocks. They almost always spring right back.

Why not just pull the ship back the same way it went in? it’ll follow it’s own damage path back out.


26 posted on 01/30/2013 1:10:43 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: PieterCasparzen

US Navy defeated by coral!


27 posted on 01/30/2013 1:11:23 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: pabianice
"Yes. Sounds like the keel is broken."

When you break the keel on a ship its like breaking the frame on a car. Its pretty much over.

28 posted on 01/30/2013 1:12:39 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: moose07

Coral seldom loses to wood.


29 posted on 01/30/2013 1:12:53 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Red Badger

Mine sweepers can’t have metal hulls..........


Not necessarily so.

There have been Steel hulled sweeps.

The USS Washtenaw County (LST-1166) was converted to the MSS 2 to help clear North Vietnam of mines after the Vietnam War was over.

Also, WE used a tanker to ‘act’ as a sweep back in the Persian Gulf.


30 posted on 01/30/2013 1:20:15 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: pabianice
What a bummer for the crew.

What a bummer for the captain! He can blame the charts, but I don't think he's getting another ship to command any time soon. The crew can be redeployed.

31 posted on 01/30/2013 1:26:19 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: xrmusn

true because a 350,000 ton tanker can hit a mine and not even know it whereas the 3000 ton frigates take serious damage. ref FFG-58 SAMUEL B. ROBERTS the book is good NO HIGHER HONOR


32 posted on 01/30/2013 1:30:13 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: PieterCasparzen

If you just leave it there, it becomes the reef eventually.


33 posted on 01/30/2013 1:30:23 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: gaijin

Ships named after 60’s radicals ? ...


34 posted on 01/30/2013 1:54:26 PM PST by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: PieterCasparzen
“The U.S. Navy also revealed Jan. 18 that the digital navigational chart in use by the Guardian misplaced the correct location of the reef by about eight nautical miles."

That's the last time they buy mapping software from Apple!

35 posted on 01/30/2013 2:00:10 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: oh8eleven

If you need ‘camo’ on a ship, dye it grey and make it look like a pipe or conduit. You could hide ‘til the end of the cruise.


36 posted on 01/30/2013 2:10:25 PM PST by Wingy
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To: PieterCasparzen

insanity


37 posted on 01/30/2013 2:15:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: oh8eleven
Are the cheesy moustaches part of the uniform?

What is it with the Navy (and Air Force) and the wearing of a moustache.

38 posted on 01/30/2013 2:25:22 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: PieterCasparzen

Enviro-madness. The reef will heal. The interest on the money we borrowed to build that ship will keep accumulating forever.


39 posted on 01/30/2013 2:37:41 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: SENTINEL
Navy Names Ship for Civil Rights Activist Cesar Chavez
40 posted on 01/30/2013 2:51:07 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Good thing were not a war and blowing up reefs for landing craft in the South Pacific like we did 70 years ago.


41 posted on 01/30/2013 3:05:57 PM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Image this same pc government logic when applied to your heathcare
42 posted on 01/30/2013 3:07:29 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Strategerist

Gosh. Thanks for deflating my irritability.


43 posted on 01/30/2013 3:20:10 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: gaijin

Don’t forget the GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYS! Who’d of thought? The Village People set the standard for our military!


44 posted on 01/30/2013 5:46:41 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: PieterCasparzen

How many pounds of items would have to be removed to lift the ship higher in it’s draft & allow it to float off- and then the parts could be re-installed?

I have seen more than one trailer too high for a bridge get stuck. Solution? let some air out of the tires—SLOWLY continue under the bridge——or back out completely . Re-air up the tires.

I’m NOT the person who thought this up!!!!


45 posted on 01/30/2013 7:06:56 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: PieterCasparzen

How leaving it there for months to beat up the reef while divers maneuver on the dangerous coral to dismantle it is a good idea is beyond me.

Get it off quickly for the reef’s sake and to a safe area to dismantle it for the divers’.

They can make balloons out of very tough fabrics these days.


46 posted on 01/30/2013 7:33:29 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: tophat9000
“Image this same pc government logic when applied to your heathcare ...”

Yes your hip is broken/worn out. It is too expensive to repair given your age and demographic. Would you prefer the pain pills at $100 each, or the euthanasia pill which is free?

47 posted on 01/31/2013 4:51:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
What is it with the Navy (and Air Force) and the wearing of a moustache.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
48 posted on 01/31/2013 5:18:39 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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