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Study: New E15 gas can ruin auto engines
Washington Examiner ^ | January 30, 2013 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 01/30/2013 1:37:21 PM PST by george76

The fuel industry's American Petroleum Institute tested the 15 percent ethanol gas approved in 2010 and found it gums up fuel systems, prompts "check engine" lights to come on, and messes with fuel gauge readings.

"Failure of these components could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and highways," said the industry report. Worse: API said the fuel problems--not found in E5 or E10 blends--aren't always covered by auto warranties.

The industry prefers pure fuel to an ethanol mix, but the report isn't likely to slow the administrations green push

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coal; corn; e15; e15gas; energy; engines; ethanol; gas; ntsa; opec; sierraclub; worksforthesheikhs
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1 posted on 01/30/2013 1:37:33 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Is this what’s killing my Highlander’s oxy sensors? Originals died at about 50,000, replacements now about dead at 85,000. Doesn’t seem right????


2 posted on 01/30/2013 1:42:28 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: george76
This is a "feature" in Obamaworld.

It forces the peasants to buy new vehicles made by union thugs.

3 posted on 01/30/2013 1:44:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I doubt if the Highlander guys will admit that....but if they ever ask if you use E15...you’d best deny it.

I believe that all of the US car-makers will cite their case by summer, and have the stuff off the market by next winter.


4 posted on 01/30/2013 1:45:05 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: george76

Link to ethanol-free gas stations in U.S. and Canada:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp


5 posted on 01/30/2013 1:45:27 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: george76

They will stop you from driving one way or another...........


6 posted on 01/30/2013 1:48:33 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: george76

The left really doesn’t want the ordinary folks to have a private vehicle. They really want everyone to take the bus. If this forces normal people out of their cars, the left will be happy.

Of course, none of it applies to the ruling elite.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 1:50:45 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: george76

Any recommended fuel additives to combat this “gunk” buildup?


8 posted on 01/30/2013 1:52:29 PM PST by SengirV
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To: george76

First they came for my small two-strokes... chain saws and weedwhackers... then they came for my small engine four-strokes... lawn mowers and outboards... all the while burning the corn we use for food... and now they want to wreck my automobile!


9 posted on 01/30/2013 1:54:23 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: george76
Damn communists Democrats are destroying America. Communism never works but the damage it leaves behind take many years to recover. Thanks to King Obama and his communists Administration Americans will regret not being more aware of who he is. I wonder how my lawn mover will take this mix.
10 posted on 01/30/2013 1:56:19 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Pearls Before Swine

11 posted on 01/30/2013 1:56:29 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: george76

Tyrannical rat bastards - deny my annual tag renewal unless I can pass their emission standards, then fill gas supplies with crap that ruin the ability to pass the test!


12 posted on 01/30/2013 1:56:33 PM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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To: george76

You “think” there are NO problems with E10 garbage. Just check around any boat marina and get the truth of the vast damage done to various systems in the marine environment.
Also check the thousands of owners of snow blowers, lawn mowers and other small “gasoline” engines. The damage totals into the many millions.
The problem seems to occur in those engines that are NOT started and run each day, as is most autos. The victims of this “fuel” are those that may, and usually do, sit idle for many days at a time.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 1:56:44 PM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: george76

Well great! No we will be stranded along a road on a dark night without a gun to protect ourselves....


14 posted on 01/30/2013 1:59:36 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: illiac

no = now


15 posted on 01/30/2013 2:00:19 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: george76

More blown-up engines - more Cash for Clunkers = more sales for Government Motors = Increased Economic Activity.

So you see, it all works for them.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 2:02:10 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: george76

What does the EPA care about costing consumers tens of billion in repairs?


17 posted on 01/30/2013 2:04:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog


"You poor, stupid, worthless suckers.
These Laws are NEVER for us, our families, or staff (or illegals).
"

18 posted on 01/30/2013 2:05:12 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Check the label on the pump where normally fill up.


19 posted on 01/30/2013 2:05:17 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yep! Knock on effect equals Progressivism.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 2:06:44 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: george76
isn't likely to slow the administrations green push

That's because it is NOT a push... it is a PUTSCH.

21 posted on 01/30/2013 2:09:16 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SengirV

http://mystarbrite.com/startron/

Read the spec sheets on how corn behaves in your fuel.Made sence to me and my saws,splitter and mowers seem to be doing better since I started adding this stuf.....Not sure what 15 will do though?


22 posted on 01/30/2013 2:16:28 PM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Pearls Before Swine

You eat field corn?


23 posted on 01/30/2013 2:19:55 PM PST by Domangart
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Will only buy non-union

No UAW vehicles for me....ever again


24 posted on 01/30/2013 2:31:14 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: george76

Growing up my brother swore by adding a 1/2 gallon of diesel to every tank of gas to “prevent knocking and keep the fuel pump healthy”.

Would adding a bit of deisel fuel to the tank work with modern vehicles....


25 posted on 01/30/2013 2:32:15 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Ouderkirk
Will only buy non-union. No UAW vehicles for me....ever again.

Once Ubama rams card-check through, there will be no non-union jobs, automotive or otherwise.

Ubama needs your union dues for his thugocracy.

26 posted on 01/30/2013 2:33:32 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Domangart

Some people eat field corn when it reaches the same stage as sweet corn. Put some sugar on it along with the butter and salt.

But, indirectly, if you eat commercially raised livestock, you’re eating field corn.

If you eat wildlife, that lived in corn country, you’re eating some field corn.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 2:34:49 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Domangart
You eat field corn?

Would you be growing field corn if it wasn't reaping the benefits of the ethanol subsidy?

28 posted on 01/30/2013 2:35:21 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Domangart
You eat field corn?

Not as far as I know. But, the fields could be used otherwise. The rise in corn prices since the US ethanol mandates is undeniable. And, it's also pretty clear to me that the production of ethanol from corn is at best energy neutral, or more likely, slightly energy negative.

By the way, I am aware that after ethanol fermentation, there is use for the remaining mash ss animal feed, so it's not a total loss.

29 posted on 01/30/2013 2:35:21 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I can check the pump, but I really would like to know if that is what is destroying my oxy sensors. They’re expensive!


30 posted on 01/30/2013 2:40:05 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: george76

The freaking E-10 ruins lawnmowers, weed eaters, chainsaws and outboards ...

I drive out of my way and pay .75 per gallon extra for straight gasoline ... and that is a hell of lot cheaper than replacing / rebuilding fuel lines and carbs.

Who the hell needs a study ... you could just ask any repair shop or anyone that owns a lawnmower.

TT


31 posted on 01/30/2013 2:44:30 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: Domangart
You eat field corn?

Have you ever eaten anything like cornbread or with cornmeal as a coating as in fried fish? That is ground up field corn.

32 posted on 01/30/2013 2:49:18 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Wait for updates.)
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To: SengirV

That gunk buildup is the ethanol eating up your rubber and plastic parts ... additives do nothing to stop that

TT


33 posted on 01/30/2013 2:49:38 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: pepsionice

I believe that all of the US car-makers will cite their case by summer, and have the stuff off the market by next winter.
.........................................................
Bwahahahahahahahahaha,

I am not laughing at you byut at your Naievete”
The EPA could care less about damage to your vehicle, or that you get less gas mileage.

They hope your car does break down ,then you lose no gas.

Ronald Reagan stated the worst words ever spoke were.:” I am here from the Government and I an here to help you.”


34 posted on 01/30/2013 2:50:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Domangart
You eat field corn?

No, but I do love a good steak along with bacon, ham, ribs, and pork chops. You seen the price of meat lately? Hmmm, what could be the connection?
35 posted on 01/30/2013 2:53:17 PM PST by Tailback
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To: george76

It should be noted that Obama mandated this without doing any testing on existing engines.


36 posted on 01/30/2013 3:08:49 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: SengirV
Any recommended fuel additives to combat this “gunk” buildup?

You could try gasoline.

37 posted on 01/30/2013 3:16:45 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: george76

Car enthusiasts have known this for a long time. Ethanol is especially destructive to the fuel systems of older cars....in addition to all the other reasons that ethanol is a joke and a boondoggle. Yet, NASCAR and IndyCar (or whatever they’re calling it this year) promote the hell out of it. I guess they need to appease their corporate and government masters.


38 posted on 01/30/2013 3:21:56 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: SengirV

My marine dealer has an additive that prevents damage to outboards. Don’t know the name of it or whether it is good for auto engines.


39 posted on 01/30/2013 3:23:02 PM PST by NotTallTex
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To: george76

You don’t have to tell me about ethanol ruining engines. So far only small engines like lawnmowers. The guy who fixed one of my mowers said the best thing for his business is when they started putting ethanol in gasoline. I only put premium gas (no ethanol) in my small engines now.


40 posted on 01/30/2013 3:24:39 PM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

WAS when they started putting ethanol in the gas.


41 posted on 01/30/2013 3:27:08 PM PST by driftless2
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To: t1b8zs

Just use premium gas. Most premium gas states on the pump that no ethanol was added. At least around my parts..Wisconsin,Minnesota.


42 posted on 01/30/2013 3:30:13 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Brad from Tennessee

There are 3 in my city and I’ve been using them exclusively for a long time now. I get at least 15% better fuel mileage than with E10, and the price difference is well below 15%.


43 posted on 01/30/2013 3:40:39 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: george76

That won’t matter. The Democrats will continue forcing it down our throats. They know it causes more pollution than it cures, but that doesn’t matter. They decided we are going to use it. They are never wrong.


44 posted on 01/30/2013 4:30:53 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Link to ethanol-free gas stations in U.S. and Canada:

Wow! Thanks so much for that.

I used to buy ethanol-free gas not too far away, but that chain switched over a couple years ago. Your link shows another station five miles away that still sells the good stuff.

Will check it out. [Why I never thought to Google it escapes worries me.]

45 posted on 01/30/2013 4:58:29 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: TexasTransplant

E10 has ruined the catalytic converter in my 2000 van. The engine light came on and the code the van threw says the cc is going. A huge percentage of automobiles were not designed to deal with ethanol in gasoline.


46 posted on 01/30/2013 6:53:13 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
There are several types of corr. We eat sweet corn which is only grown for human consumption. Field corn on the other hand is a general name for corn that livestock have been eating. As you know field corn pollen can be transported to a field containing sweet corn . You will think you are eating a 2/4. The cost of one gal of ethanol is one gal of gas. When you add the price of the land transferred to field corn, sweet corn goes up. The heat damaged field corn is worthless so we have a shortage of field corn. we are getting it from all sides.
47 posted on 01/30/2013 8:01:24 PM PST by Domangart
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To: george76

BTTT!


48 posted on 01/31/2013 5:07:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: savedbygrace

the pure gas where I live is 20 cents more per gallon.
but it is worth it to me, esp for my tools like power wagon, chain saw, lawn mowers, weed eaters. I’m over 60 and alone; it’s tough managing all these tools with that ethanol gas.


49 posted on 01/31/2013 5:59:21 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: clintonh8r; sickoflibs
Yet, NASCAR and IndyCar (or whatever they’re calling it this year) promote the hell out of it. I guess they need to appease their corporate and government masters.

they can afford to use stainless in all their components and replace the systems every 500 miles...i cant...

its a progcomm long term economic strategy to force us to keep buying new engines...forward...

50 posted on 01/31/2013 9:36:59 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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