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Mother of VA Tech shooting survivor: NRA shouldn’t be part of gun safety debate
msnbc.com ^ | January 30, 2013 | Morgan Whitaker

Posted on 01/30/2013 9:46:42 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The mother of one of the survivors of the Virginia Tech shooting told elected leaders to stand up to the NRA, a group she argues doesn’t even deserve to be “at the table” in the gun safety debate.

Lori Haas joined PoliticsNation Wednesday after attending the contentious Senate hearing which featured testimony from gun control advocates, gun rights supporters, and experts in law enforcement. NRA head Wayne LaPierre voiced some of the strongest opposition to new regulations, including shooting down a proposal to close the background check loophole.

“We are hopeful and impressed with some of our leadership on the hill but frankly we need leadership from all of our representatives,” Haas said. “It shouldn’t take much courage to stand up to the NRA. Courage is facing down the barrel of a gun, and my daughter did that and there were 16 other injured students at Virginia Tech who did that.”

“The NRA should not even be at the table,” she said. ”I don’t see reports from them, I don’t see studies from them, I don’t see activities from them, I don’t see policies from them that contribute to the public safety debate.”

Haas, who joined the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence as an organizer in her home state of Virginia in 2010, pushed back against those who think argue regulations like background checks attack legal gun owners in America. “I find it very, very telling that the commentary is always ‘you’re targeting law abiding citizens’,” she said. “No, we’re not targeting law abiding citizens, we’re targeting criminals, dangerous individuals, felons, domestic abusers, terrorists. We want to stop those individuals from getting a firearm and harming our neighbors, our friends, our communities.”

“We need to do a background check on all buyers on all gun sales.”

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1 posted on 01/30/2013 9:46:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Freeper TheConservator: Mother of VA Tech shooting survivor shouldn’t be part of gun control debate.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 9:49:24 PM PST by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And she has veto power somehow? The NRA has been the leader in gun safety since McArthur’s father was a cadet corporal.
3 posted on 01/30/2013 9:53:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Lori Haas can STFU. Who the hell does she think she is denying 1st Amendment rights to anyone???


4 posted on 01/30/2013 9:55:05 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

leftists do not believe in debate or discussion, they do not believe in freedom of opinion or thought or association either.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 9:55:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
”I don’t see reports from them, I don’t see studies from them, I don’t see activities from them, I don’t see policies from them that contribute to the public safety debate.”

I guess it's because she's never bothered looking for any of these. Simply put, the NRA is the #1 gun safety and training group in the USA, they sponsor the award winning "Eddie the Eagle" gun safety programs for children, and they train and certify range safety officers, and put on law enforcement training seminars all over the country.

My guess is she gets all her information on the NRA from the NY Slimes and MSNBC.

Mark

6 posted on 01/30/2013 9:55:29 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

She only believes what the liberal news tells her... all too common.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 9:58:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TheConservator

So according to her, only liberals can be part of the debate????


8 posted on 01/30/2013 9:59:55 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“The NRA should not even be at the table,” she said.

Lady, you are hysterical. So it is you who needs to be ignored.

9 posted on 01/30/2013 9:59:55 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"...experts in law enforcement."

Like the BATFE? Pwners of F&F, Waco and Ruby Ridge (among other "actions" like their latest escapades in Milwaukee)

10 posted on 01/30/2013 10:01:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Courage is facing down the barrel of a gun, and my daughter did that...”

Seriously? She makes it sound like her daughter confronted the gunner. Maybe so, but without a gun or other weapon and a decent chance to stop the gunner, that sounds more foolish than courageous. There’s nothing courageous about getting shot down while trying to hide or flee.

Also, why is a victim’s mother suddenly qualified to set policy for an entire nation of 300+ million people. Are we going to survey all of parents and make our decision based that? What if I find one of the parents not only wants the NRA to teach classes in the schools but thinks all teachers should be armed? Should we do that? Ridiculous!


11 posted on 01/30/2013 10:07:10 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We realize you are trying to target criminals. But though the laws keep changing somehow the black market stays black. All you do with idiotic closings of “loopholes” is make it harder for non-criminals to get guns. That’s a fact, despite what it is you have in mind to do.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 10:07:59 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: MileHi

Not only is she “hysterical”....she’s daft.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 10:09:26 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

yes, life is so much better when you don’t have to listen to arguments from people who disagree with you. Just ask Obama.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 10:10:06 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: CitizenUSA

“Are we going to survey all of parents”

No, just her and Trayvon Martin’s mom (because her son looked like Obama’s make-believe son).


15 posted on 01/30/2013 10:10:12 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The NRA shouldn’t be part of the gun debate?

Okay...

Planned parenthood shouldnot be part of the abortion debate...
The ACLU should not be part of the relgion debate...
The NEA should not be part of the education debate...
PETA should not be part of the animal rights debate...
Doctors should not be part of the assisted suicide debate...
The NAACP should not be part of the race debate...
The NLRB should not be part of the employment rights debate...
The NFL should not be part of the TBI debate...
The FAA should not be part of the aviation safety debate...

Withe complete respect for her loss, she is being a useful idiot on her emotion! Shame on the people prompting her to do this.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 10:10:33 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: CitizenUSA

just a small step up from the Left swooning over a letter that a 6 year old wrote to Obama to keep other kids from being killed by guns


17 posted on 01/30/2013 10:11:35 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

Where are the kid’s letters wanting to make the White Hut a weapons free and fence free zone?


18 posted on 01/30/2013 10:15:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Typical leftist spewing her idiocy..you can always figure out which one is a leftist by the stupid things they say..Hey Haas..if you don’t like this country move to Venezuela they will be happy to have you


19 posted on 01/30/2013 10:15:30 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Tublecane

Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 10:16:17 PM PST by umgud
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To: TheConservator

I believe these panels should only be made up of people who were in these shootings in these stupid-ass gun-free zones who wished they had an equivalent force weapon to defend themselves with.


21 posted on 01/30/2013 10:21:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess the bit about Cho’s mental state was lost on this woman.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 10:21:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SoldierDad

Moms do not get to tear away people’s GOD GIVEN right to self-defense that the Constitution ACKNOWLEDGES and GUARANTEES TO UPHOLD.

I don’t care whose mom you are. I seriously don’t.


23 posted on 01/30/2013 10:23:13 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SoldierDad
Who the hell does she think she is denying 1st Amendment rights to anyone???

They seem to know that in order to eliminate the 2nd amendment they have to restrict the 1st amendment.

24 posted on 01/30/2013 10:23:39 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tublecane

Tublecane, my FRiend, the propaganda is so obvious I wonder how anyone can miss it, but I have to admit. The left is the master of the lie. They make distortion of the truth an art.

Too many Americans get their news from the state-run media. By that I don’t mean government directly controls the media. I mean the media and government are ideological bedfellows who see the news as a way to shape thought.


25 posted on 01/30/2013 10:24:41 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: TheConservator

I agree.


26 posted on 01/30/2013 10:24:59 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Tailgunner Joe

On behalf of all those killed by drunk drivers, I hope this asshat has completely disassociated herself with everything remotely connected to the spirits industry.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 10:25:09 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: ICE-FLYER

And since when has the NRA ever made money off of gun sales?

Can’t say the same thing for Planned Parenthood and abortion. Can’t say the same thing about the NEA. Can’t say the same thing about the NAARCP.


28 posted on 01/30/2013 10:25:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You’re absolutely right, S.A.M. If the left doesn’t like it, amend the constitution. Until then, I have nothing more to say to any of the gun grabbers. While I sympathize with the mom, she’s not the only parent of a victim. Even then, those parents aren’t more important than 300+ million other Americans. We have an equal say, and I say not another inch. If they don’t like it, start working on a constitutional amendment.


29 posted on 01/30/2013 10:33:34 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: umgud

The sad part is that it is the left, that is handing out the mental booze and the keys.


30 posted on 01/30/2013 10:34:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

To this Mother. My cousin was killed at age 18 by a drunk driver. Why haven’t they taken these people off the road?


31 posted on 01/30/2013 10:35:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Since the NRA represents many of the millions of gun owners in America and has done more to promote safe usage of guns then the Government has, this is a stupid statement on her part.


32 posted on 01/30/2013 10:39:41 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: freekitty

And I had a friend that fell off the back of a car going 25mph horsing around (no booze) and died.

Ban Cars!!!
Ban fooling around!
Ban EVERYTHING!!

Lord knows there is no percentage in TEACHING COMMON SENSE!!


33 posted on 01/30/2013 10:39:54 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I find it very, very telling that the commentary is always ‘you’re targeting law abiding citizens’,” she said. “No, we’re not targeting law abiding citizens, we’re targeting criminals, dangerous individuals, felons, domestic abusers, terrorists

Sure lady. Terrosits go to the local Gander Mountain or Cabelas and buy their weapons and submit to a background check........
I am sorry for your loss but do not allow your grief to make you stupid...........


34 posted on 01/30/2013 10:43:08 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Morons like this mother of a VA Tech victim have nothing to contribute but their irrational fear. Fear and emotion have no place here, but the MSM keeps stoking the fire. Grrrr.
35 posted on 01/30/2013 10:45:47 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Tailgunner Joe

”I don’t see reports from them, I don’t see studies from them, [the NRA] I don’t see activities from them, I don’t see policies from them that contribute to the public safety debate.”

Then you’re willfully blind, because the NRA has produced numerous studies over the years as to gun safety, as have many other organizations. And, let’s just suppose the NRA handed you a nicely bound volume of their studies. Here, I will outghoul you. You’d pour red paint on it as a means of protesting its very existence.


36 posted on 01/30/2013 11:33:10 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sorry for your loss mrs. Haas but, you can’t get where you want by shutting up, shouting down or making 50% of America non particpants in the discussions to stem violence.

You need our input. We have ideas, strategies and are willing partners in the effort to mitigate violence of all types.


37 posted on 01/30/2013 11:40:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, lady, victims and their families shouldn’t have a place at the table either then because you’re too emotionally damaged to make rational decisions.


38 posted on 01/31/2013 12:05:27 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ICE-FLYER; MasterGunner01; Vendome; All
Please note that this woman did not suffer any loss. Her daughter survived the shooting. In fact, the article doesn't say the daughter had any injuries.

A "survivor" probably means anyone who was on campus that day.

No sympathy is called for.

39 posted on 01/31/2013 12:55:41 AM PST by Steve1789 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: ICE-FLYER; MasterGunner01; Vendome; All

Correction: Her daughter was injured. But not killed.


40 posted on 01/31/2013 12:58:17 AM PST by Steve1789 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: Steve1789
Her grief and concerns are totally misplaced. A deranged human being planned and carried out this atrocity. The tools he used are beside the point. What if he'd used a suicide bomb vest or used gasoline to immolate himself and the victims? If you allow CCW on campuses instead of making them target rich environments by branding them as Gun Free Zones, that is a positive step.

In school settings where mass shootings have occurred, where a firearm was used against the killer, the killer only averaged 2 victims. Where firearms were forbidden and the police were called, the average body count was 14. When an armed citizen confronted the shooter with deadly force, the shooter either surrendered or killed himself. Scapegoating the firearms and their owners, people who are not and will never be a threat, is just EVIL.

41 posted on 01/31/2013 1:30:57 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Haas knew she was sending her kid to a gun free zone to attend college.

She knew her daughter was going to class in a building never designed with numbers of students in mind.

She knew ........

There's a percentage of responsibility here she doesn't want to address ~ I'd keep her out of the debate as well (if we are going to keep people out of the debate).

42 posted on 01/31/2013 2:01:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dear Lori,

The person who shot people on the VA Tech Campus was already in violation of campus regulations. Discharging that firearm on campus is a violation of campus policy, and probably some local laws as well. Shooting people violates the law. Do you seriously think just one more law would have tipped the balance and stopped a madman from slaughtering students and staff there? Really?

Since the NRA runs training programs for Law Enforcement, as well as firearm safety, I think their presence in any debate to promote public safety vis-a-vis firearms is highly germane.

Your misguided ranting, simply on the basis of your daughter's misfortune, however, is not.

I pray you find more constructive ways to deal with your grief. As a parent, grandparent, and great grandparent, I'd be upset if one of ours got hurt, too. I would look for solutions which might have a real effect, though, and so far the only meaningful deterrents to maniacs have been forceful--on occasion, lethally so.

Disarming in the face of that threat is not the way to become more safe, quite the opposite.

Have a better day,

Smokin' Joe

43 posted on 01/31/2013 2:31:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: MileHi
“The NRA should not even be at the table,” she said.

That's right. We only want to hear the emotional, irrational side of the argument. Who can stand to listen to that reason and logic stuff? /s

44 posted on 01/31/2013 2:45:34 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“We need to do a background check on all buyers on all gun sales.”

Once again I ask - What difference would that have made?
There was nothing stopping him from passing a background check because he had no criminal record. Nothing about his mental state would have been a factor in the approval process.


45 posted on 01/31/2013 2:47:38 AM PST by servo1969
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To: Tailgunner Joe

46 posted on 01/31/2013 3:32:45 AM PST by Zakeet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage - Mencken)
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“The NRA should not even be at the table,” she said. ”I don’t see reports from them, I don’t see studies from them, I don’t see activities from them, I don’t see policies from them that contribute to the public safety debate.”

Seriously?

If she doesn't see them, it's because she's refusing to look. Her ignorance is culpable.

47 posted on 01/31/2013 3:35:56 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SoldierDad
Lori Haas can STFU. Who the hell does she think she is denying 1st Amendment rights to anyone???

Whe the goal is to eliminate the 2A, I don't think fidelity to the 1A means much.

48 posted on 01/31/2013 3:52:20 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I thought Lindsey Graham did quite well in that hearing also.


49 posted on 01/31/2013 3:52:37 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The government should not be at the table. Read the founders’ words on the second amendment - it is to keep the government in check. Why would anybody want the very entity for which the second amendment protects us from to have any say whatsoever in the issue?

Don’t let the fox guard unarmed hens.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 4:04:34 AM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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