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New England fishermen say new regs mean ruin
Associated Press ^ | Jan 31, 2013 2:09 AM EST | Jay Lindsay

Posted on 01/30/2013 11:29:50 PM PST by Olog-hai

Minutes after New England fishery managers took a vote that cast doubt on the historic industry’s future, the prospects most clear to Gloucester fishermen Paul Vitale were his own.

“I’m bankrupt. That’s it,” said the 40-year-old father of three. “I’m all done. The boat’s going up for sale.”

The New England Fishery Management Council on Wednesday approved a year-to-year cut of 77 percent on the Gulf of Maine cod limit and 61 percent for Georges Bank cod. The cuts come on top of a slew of other reductions, ranging from 10 to 71 percent, on the catch of other bottom-dwelling groundfish species, such as haddock and flounder.

Fishermen say now they’re staring at industry collapse because they’ve been left with far too few fish for most boats to make a living. …

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: collapse; fishingindustry; newengland; overregulation

1 posted on 01/30/2013 11:30:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The government controls fuel, food, healthcare, communications and now they want your guns. See a pattern?


2 posted on 01/30/2013 11:33:28 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Olog-hai

“I’ve done everything they told me to do, and all of the sudden I come up here to a meeting today, and they’re going to send me in a coffin out of this place,” said New Bedford fisherman Carlos Rafael”

You don’t understand, Carlos, this benefits the “collective” in modern progressive parlance.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 11:40:42 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Olog-hai

The same assholes that are bringing us global warming.


4 posted on 01/30/2013 11:45:29 PM PST by Palio di Siena
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To: Olog-hai

Hate to say it but they probably voted dem.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 11:49:48 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: Olog-hai

Who do you typically vote for Paul? Democrats maybe? along with the rest of your New England buddies. Maybe, in retrospect, that wasn’t such a good idea, huh? Pretty sure we warned you about voting for Democrats.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 11:55:39 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Olog-hai

Guess they shouldn’t have voted liberal Democrat.

Oh well - they pay their taxes. Their government is broke. :)


7 posted on 01/30/2013 11:56:40 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Olog-hai

If they are registered Democrats the deserve what they get!


8 posted on 01/31/2013 12:10:05 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: muir_redwoods
Yes we do see a pattern, socialism/communism/fascism doesn't work every time it is tried.

Still, the democrats, mainstream media, unions are going to make it work here.

9 posted on 01/31/2013 12:14:36 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Olog-hai

Yet they most likely voted for Democrats.


10 posted on 01/31/2013 12:20:27 AM PST by funfan
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To: Olog-hai

While I feel for anyone getting squeezed by the government, I must admit I no longer feel bad for those who voted democrat. Damn fools voted for their own demise.


11 posted on 01/31/2013 12:34:57 AM PST by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: Olog-hai

The same thing has already happened to their neighbors to the north. Canadian authorities shut down the fishing industry in Newfoundland, which had supported the locals for generations, due in part to foreign factory ships looting the fishing grounds. As these local songs tell:

Where Did The Fisherman Go?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue3WN5lHOYQ

She’s gone boys, She’s gone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5zlrLlkxI

Will they lie there ever more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhrJbz1Qg8


12 posted on 01/31/2013 12:59:43 AM PST by Uncle Lonny
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To: Olog-hai

Liberal bottom dwellers are just protecting their aquatic cousins.


13 posted on 01/31/2013 2:09:21 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: US_MilitaryRules

“Hate to say it but they probably voted dem.”
____________________________________

You beat me to it, but I was going to say that they voted for Obozo.
It will not take much longer for the real Americans to realize how stupid they are.....voting for an end to America.


14 posted on 01/31/2013 2:56:12 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Olog-hai
Check out the Bakers Green Acres vs Michigan Department of Natural Resources. The DNR declared the horboring of invasive, 'feral', hog species to be a felony. Their definintion of 'feral' is just about any hog that isn't in a factory farm. Add to that the Food Safety Modernization Act which was, in part, designed to wipe out small family farms in favor of corprate owned factory farms.

Buy local, grow your own, and try to unplug from the industrial food grid.

15 posted on 01/31/2013 3:38:35 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Uncle Lonny
The same thing has already happened to their neighbors to the north. Canadian authorities shut down the fishing industry in Newfoundland, which had supported the locals for generations, due in part to foreign factory ships looting the fishing grounds.

If our Coast Guard can't do it, it sounds to me like the sensible thing to do would be to hire and equip. the fishermen to protect their fishing grounds. Oh, wait. I forgot. That would be asking the gov't to do something sensible.

16 posted on 01/31/2013 4:03:49 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: tbpiper

The Michigan pig conspiracy is actually only an attempt to keep siberian boars out of the state. If they get out into the wild they will quickly destroy the forests. Some of us are hunters/fishers here and we don’t like invasive species ruining things.

The fishing limits is to protect the cod from being fished out and completely destroying that industry.


17 posted on 01/31/2013 4:05:20 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Olog-hai

Regulations are like cash in the bank for our ‘public servants’... Each side comes hat in hand begging for fairness - well hat in one hand - and cash in the other.

Our politicians shame the nation.


18 posted on 01/31/2013 4:08:35 AM PST by GOPJ ( Revelation can be more perilous than Revolution. Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: Olog-hai
Another round in the War on Natural Resource Harvesters. Started in the late 70’s in Washington State. What they did there has come to the East Coast fishermen who thought they were immune because they are Federally regulated.

And what has come to us, will come to all you landlubing FRs sooner rather that later. Yes sure you say, we aren't fishermen, loggers, miners, or farmers so we are immune.

Get in line behind all those others who previously claimed immunity ...

19 posted on 01/31/2013 4:17:14 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Olog-hai

After reading the article it’s not clear to me whether the fish are there or not. If they’re not then something has to be done to turn that around. Blue crabs in the Cheseapeake is a great example. It took Virginia forever to finally stop allowing watermen to dredge the females loaded with eggs out of the mud in the winter time. Now the population seems to be growing again.


20 posted on 01/31/2013 4:18:41 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder what owner of a large commercial fishing fleet that donated huge sums of money to Obama’s “war chest” is waiting for a very good year of fishing in the near future?

No regulation is issued unless there is some special interest group standing in the wings awaiting their reward for the support they gave the Democrat (Communist) party.


21 posted on 01/31/2013 4:20:20 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Olog-hai

Democrats and RINOS
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS/
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
AND BE DEFENSELESS WHEN THEY COME


22 posted on 01/31/2013 4:27:50 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: RadiationRomeo

So you’re OK with the fishermen being bankrupted by drastic cuts then?


23 posted on 01/31/2013 4:30:59 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Uncle Lonny

Foreign fishing fleets looting the grounds is Exactly right! Done via their US-government-supplied federal fishing permits handed out by political committees to foreign shell companies whose campaign contributions are not reportable or traceable.


24 posted on 01/31/2013 4:31:03 AM PST by Justa
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To: Olog-hai

is there an extreme shortage of these cod. I know that cod are harder and harder to catch as the numbers dwindle.

back in the 80s bans of Striped Bass in the north east for a decade or so brought this once depleted fishery back from the brink. Even I started catching Stripers again. I had never caught one till this happened.

I do not like govt intruding in anything...but is there perhaps a method to their madness??? or is it just another intrusion??


25 posted on 01/31/2013 4:34:21 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Olog-hai

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323644904578270310547105462-lMyQjAxMTAzMDMwMDEzNDAyWj.html?mod=wsj_valettop_email


26 posted on 01/31/2013 4:38:57 AM PST by Colonial35
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To: Olog-hai

Part of the problem is 7 billion people on the Earth and large amounts of them finally getting out of the 3rd world, like India and China, and the fact that fish is very healthy.

So we’re told to eat more fish, take fish oil capsules,and in some places, fish is ground into fertilizer.

Most all of the fish consumed in the world is wild caught. The big factory ships are out there because everyone wants cheap, healthy-for-you fish.

I doubt many have an answer to any of this. All I see is fish going off my menu because it becomes too expensive. If we let the market work its magic rather than government then fish would be persued until there were hardly any left, and then the price would skyrocket. However, if we let government regulate the industry (worldwide, too) then prices would skyrocket.

Either way the price of ocean caught fish is going to go way, way up. Too bad for the Japanese and other cultures that eat a lot of fish.

Maybe at some point we’ll learn how to ranch or domesticate fish.


27 posted on 01/31/2013 4:50:48 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Portcall24

Sorry FR iend, The crabbing last year was the worst I have seen in the last 20 years.

The DNR told us what a great year it would be, it sucked.

I don’t see the crab population growing, Maybe this yera will be better.

However it was right to stop the dredging, I just hope one day it will help.


28 posted on 01/31/2013 4:53:54 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
Its a good thing they are not coal miners...they would be out of a job....oops...they are....SARC

I guess they need to study Community Organizing....

29 posted on 01/31/2013 5:25:45 AM PST by Youngman542012
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To: RadiationRomeo
The Michigan pig conspiracy is actually only an attempt to keep siberian boars out of the state.

Bullshit or in this case pigshit. It's not the hunters but the factory pork producers that are behind this. These farm animals were declared 'feral' simply because of the way they look. They were not and have never been feral, neither were they in any way invasive.

30 posted on 01/31/2013 5:32:37 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Olog-hai

All this clucking over the New Englanders voting for Dems. Serves ‘em right, eh?

We voted for Romney, so we’re beyond reproach.

In fact, the voting is totally beside the point. If we are dutifully paying our taxes we are just as blameworthy as these New Englanders. You work hard, send half of it to the govt, and then have a little schadenfreude over the bankruptcy of a fisherman?

I would only blame him for letting things go so far as bankruptcy, and being a material accomplice to the govt that ruined him, by paying his taxes.

Perhaps like Hank Rearden he loved his work more than he loved justice. But if you love America you should think hard about what wolf you’re feeding and enlarging.

If you’re so law-abiding you can’t bear to go rogue, you can always make some sacrifices and endure some hardship for the sake of America: cut back on work, or quit altogether. Then you won’t have to pay those taxes to the system you claim to believe is destroying the nation you claim to love.

Some day, someone is bound to reproach us, too, and say it served us right, because we considered our duty fulfilled by going to the polls and flipping a lever for some RINO.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, or the bankruptcy court rules.


31 posted on 01/31/2013 5:33:12 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: Olog-hai
Let's see if I get this right - Blue state working class folks are going to lose their businesses after voting for blue state big government people at every level of thier politics. The tourist industry will drop because those quirky seafood places will close, because there is no FRESH fish. On top of that the once proud boat building business taht was a staple of their history ahs moved to Korea or South America, because the taxed luxury items out of the area or priced their labor out of the market. I feel terrible for what they got...it is what the wished for.

A real crime is that the grumpy old GOP trying to tell folks about the failure of government and regulations including UNION rules sounded like spoil sports. When their warning comes true people hate them even more for being accurate.

32 posted on 01/31/2013 6:00:10 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Uncle Lonny

The fisheries in Newfoundland had collapsed before the Canadians shut it down. After 20 years it has just started showing signs of recovery and it is going to be years before it can be opened for fishing again. The dynamics of fisheries do not follow the dynamics of the free market (demand-supply) so this is one of the rare cases where external regulation is necessary. Collapse of fisheries is a worldwide phenomenon and can no longer be avoided. Even if the govt. didn’t regulate the New England industry, the fisheries would collapse anyway. This whole issue is nothing like the climate change or whatever, in the sense that it is obvious and very real.


33 posted on 01/31/2013 11:16:54 AM PST by kroll
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