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Vt. police barred from gun range
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Posted on 01/31/2013 4:02:47 AM PST by Glennb51

By Molly Line Fox News

BURLINGTON, Vt. — The battle over the right to bear arms is flaring in Vermont, where a local gun range has moved to prohibit the Burlington Police Department from training at its facilities after the City Council voted to advance a measure banning semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines.

The leadership of the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club explained that it's "difficult" for the club to support the city — even its officers — given the actions of the council.

In response, the Burlington Police Department released a statement saying: "It is unfortunate that this important and much-needed community dialogue regarding gun control currently under way in the City of Burlington and across the nation has resulted in this action."

(Excerpt) Read more at policeone.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: gunban; guncontrol; secondamendment; semiautofirearms

1 posted on 01/31/2013 4:02:55 AM PST by Glennb51
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To: Glennb51

“...after the City Council voted to advance a measure banning semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines. “

Did I miss the discussion?—or was it the typical shut up and sit down “discussion” that the left loves so much?


2 posted on 01/31/2013 4:07:34 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Glennb51

I guess that’s what all that dope smoke does to people up there. This country is going straight to blazes and it’s all our faults because we’re allowing this B.S. to happen!


3 posted on 01/31/2013 4:13:15 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Glennb51

Hurry, hide the dog!

4 posted on 01/31/2013 4:15:13 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Glennb51

Although I sympathize with the gun range people, they need to tread lightly on banning a “government” entity from using the facility. Their permits are issued by the governments and getting into a pissing match with the ones who control you “use” destiny is not a good idea. The range could be shut down by creating an ordinance agains’t such activities. Nobody would win then.


5 posted on 01/31/2013 4:15:52 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: freeangel

Here’s the thing. I’m guessing that most of the gun ranges within a hundred miles will take the same action. The local police force will have an odd situation. You need to stay current and qualified at shooting...but no range within a three-hour drive. If the city wanted to build their own range....it’d likely cost over $100k to do it, and at least $10k a year in various costs.


6 posted on 01/31/2013 4:16:28 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Glennb51
"banning sem-automatic rifles"

Now it's semi-auto RIFLES? ALL of them?

This smells just like the way the crammed health care into law. Ignore the people, and just force it through

AND I DO NOT BELIEVE OBAMA WON- I THINK IT WAS TOTAL VOTE FRAUD

7 posted on 01/31/2013 4:20:45 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Progov

We are not winning now.Sometime somewhere you gotta make a stand.They have chosen now.Good for them.


8 posted on 01/31/2013 4:22:06 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: pepsionice

This is a month old story. IIRC, the police do have their own range, so this action doesn’t preclude them from qualifying near home.


9 posted on 01/31/2013 4:24:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Progov

On the other hand, if absolutely everyone simply rolled over at every new encroachment of liberty by said governments, they will simply keep going. Ronnie Barrett told CA he won’t be sending them (i.e. government agencies) any more .50 cal rifles, because they banned them. It’s high time more companies and groups started taking stands like this. “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking ... “ These guys are in some sense more heroic than Barrett was, because Barrett wasn’t located inside CA’s jurisdiction, while these guys are located in the jurisdiction of those he’s telling to go pound sand.


10 posted on 01/31/2013 4:28:48 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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January 15, 2013

Burlington City Council
Burlington City Hall
149 Church Street
Burlington, VT 05401

Dear City Council Members:

RE: City Firearms Ban Agenda:

In light of the Burlington City Councilas vote to pursue firearms ban regulations, the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club Executive Board feels we need to address the impact to our members and other firearms owners in the State of Vermont.

LVFGC has worked hard to provide one of the safest and socially active shooting facilities in this state. Our range is viewed by many law- enforcement agencies, including Burlington Police Department, as one of the very few locations capable of facilitating the annual training and qualifying required by police staff. LVFGC was built and developed over the years by our members donating thousands of volunteer hours and other resources to serve the needs of our members and the community at-large into a safe, respectful place to learn and practice shooting sports.

We view the firearms ban vote as a direct threat to the foundation of the Constitutional freedoms that allowed LVFGC to become an important and necessary facility for Vermont. Lamoille Valley Fish & Game Clubas Executive Board can no longer support the City of Burlington with such a prejudice against our club and its members, and has voted to suspend the Cityas use of our range for its law enforcement. This action is effective immediately.

We hope that the council reconsiders its actions and redirects its efforts towards perpetrators of violent crimes and security issues.

Sincerely,

Robert Boivin II
Chairman of the Board
Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club, Inc.


11 posted on 01/31/2013 4:41:30 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Progov

BS on that. Real Patriots stand their ground and don’t hide for fear of their rights being further infringed..
TC


12 posted on 01/31/2013 4:43:06 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Progov
they need to tread lightly on banning a “government” entity from using the facility

They need to draw the line somewhere.
And they have. Let them not forget the government works for them, not the other way around.

13 posted on 01/31/2013 4:46:47 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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The police have trained at the club for free for the past two years. ...

Other law enforcement agencies will continue to train at the Fish and Game Club's firing ranges, including the Morristown Police Department, the Lamoille County Sheriff's Department, and the Vermont State Police.

Burlington police barred from local club shooting range - Lisa McCormack : Stowe Today : Stowe Reporter : Thursday, January 24, 2013

The 3 comments following the Stowe Reporter story are all supportive of the gun club's action. They are worth reading.

14 posted on 01/31/2013 4:47:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Bon mots

I challenge you to to the link and read the comments


15 posted on 01/31/2013 4:49:15 AM PST by Glennb51
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To: Mr. K
AND I DO NOT BELIEVE OBAMA WON- I THINK IT WAS TOTAL VOTE FRAUD

You are not alone.

16 posted on 01/31/2013 4:53:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Glennb51

Finally, someone taking action. It’s about time. Rise up...


17 posted on 01/31/2013 5:13:06 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Progov

By outlawing all semi-auto rifles and all large capacity magazines, the city is essentially shutting down the range anyway.

May as well fight the bastards.


18 posted on 01/31/2013 5:23:53 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Progov

The range will go under as it is. Good for the owner. F the govt.


19 posted on 01/31/2013 5:26:54 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Glennb51

That’s a weird thing about Vermont... it’s a hard-core leftist state in every other sense, but when it comes to 2nd Amendment rights, they stand their ground pretty well.


20 posted on 01/31/2013 5:29:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: pepsionice

Some years back my sleepy little town police tired of driving two miles to use our larger neighbors range. So they build a very nice indoor facility$$$. Basic lessons were offered to the taxpayers a few times and talk of open public time. Now taxpayers everywhere pay for a range and the all are under used and only by coppers who are on the clock.

Oh but they had to drive past a donut shop to get to the other range... and overtime$$$...

Around here every berg and bailiwick also has a municipal health club that is seldom used. Drive past Lifetime Fitness day or night and the lot is near full, my park district club, not at all.


21 posted on 01/31/2013 5:45:47 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Glennb51

It was unfortunate that the “much needed community dialogue” (who talks like that?!?) resulted in them being banned from the gun range, but not from weapons they probably use being banned for “civilians”? Did they send a letter like this to the city council?


22 posted on 01/31/2013 5:55:41 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Progov

Judging by your attitude on this issue, your screen name describes you perfectly - You’re very “Pro Government”. I think you’re definitely on the wrong forum. It seems like you’d be more at home over at DU.


23 posted on 01/31/2013 6:01:54 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Progov

You counsel cowardice.


24 posted on 01/31/2013 7:15:03 AM PST by Ken H
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I am actually pretty surprised that any FReeper would chose such a screen name!


25 posted on 01/31/2013 7:42:31 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Progov
Although I sympathize with the gun range people, they need to tread lightly on banning a “government” entity from using the facility. Their permits are issued by the governments and getting into a pissing match with the ones who control you “use” destiny is not a good idea. The range could be shut down by creating an ordinance agains’t such activities. Nobody would win then.

The article was, as usual, poorly written. They haven't bannd them from using the facility. They've simply started charging them for their use. You know, like the rest of us proles. If the cops want to use they range they can bloody well pay for their time there.

26 posted on 01/31/2013 7:57:23 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Progov

Therein lies another rub; gov’t ‘permission’ to run a biz, let alone WHERE to run said biz.

If not now, where they can, WHEN do they make a stand??


27 posted on 01/31/2013 8:35:27 AM PST by i_robot73
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