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Hostage drama drags on after Alabama school bus shooting
The Chicago Tribune ^ | 31 January 2013 | Phil Sears

Posted on 01/31/2013 6:48:02 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

MIDLAND CITY, Alabama (Reuters) - A gunman suspected of fatally shooting an Alabama school bus driver before holing up in an underground bunker with a young child is a Vietnam veteran with anti-government views, authorities and an organization that tracks hate groups said on Wednesday. Law enforcement officials from multiple agencies were bivouacked near the bunker in Midland City but offered few details about a standoff with the shooter that stretched into its second day on Wednesday.Authorities said driver Charles Albert Poland Jr., 66, was killed after the gunman boarded a bus ferrying more than 20 children home from school on Tuesday.

The suspect demanded the driver let a student off the bus, Alabama media reported. When Poland refused, the man boarded the bus and shot the driver before taking a 6-year-old kindergarten student and fleeing the scene.

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This whole incident is being hushed up for some reason. Very few informative stories in the media anywhere. Interesting. Wonder why?

I know of another fella living in the deep south in a bunker like that and his neighbors religiously leave him alone. Wonder if the authorities are going to look into his situation?

1 posted on 01/31/2013 6:48:07 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“This whole incident is being hushed up for some reason. Very few informative stories in the media anywhere. Interesting. Wonder why? “

Because the guy has a TV in his bunker and they are being careful to not make the situation worse with TV coverage.


2 posted on 01/31/2013 6:51:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Didn’t John Kerry also serve in Vietnam...


3 posted on 01/31/2013 6:52:31 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: driftdiver

So THAT’S why they surrounded a hole in the ground with the equivalent of an armored division.


4 posted on 01/31/2013 6:53:33 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I cannot imagine that being my child in there.


5 posted on 01/31/2013 6:55:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yeah, noticed that too. Does it take that many LEOs to contain one guy in a bunker? This is all very interesting, to say the least. Wonder what’s going on where these guys are supposed to be working while they are on location there in Alabama?


6 posted on 01/31/2013 6:56:53 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This is nuts and I'm really contemplating getting the tinfoil out.

Another shooting involving young children and possibly another “prepper”. A veteran with some kind of bunker no less.

Imagine they have psych experts devoted to the cause that scour the web for posts by insane people. Then use psychology to get those politically useful people to attack. If the shooter and hard drive is gone, there's no evidence.

7 posted on 01/31/2013 6:57:00 PM PST by varyouga
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To: driftdiver

Gotta agree with you and (reluctantly) praise the media for this. They are downplaying this story in hopes of saving the boy.


8 posted on 01/31/2013 6:58:24 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

We live near this, it has been on the local news a lot. I cannot even imagine what these parents are going through. As a mom, I would be going nuts at this point.

Another case of a crazy, mentally-unstable, disturbed maniac who goes about as he pleases. Nothing can be done. People just ignore it or toss it aside as ‘strange’ or don’t know what else to do. And then they kill and cause chaos. I’m tired of hearing about these people...something needs to be done to ensure safety of the general public from these loons.


9 posted on 01/31/2013 7:03:02 PM PST by AUJenn
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To: 2banana
Didn’t John Kerry also serve in Vietnam...

Yes, and that is why the Department of Propaganda and its lapdog media spin doctors are working furiously to tie this guy to those evil Tea Party Swift Boaters.

10 posted on 01/31/2013 7:03:14 PM PST by immadashell
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

We live near this, it has been on the local news a lot. I cannot even imagine what these parents are going through. As a mom, I would be going nuts at this point.

Another case of a crazy, mentally-unstable, disturbed maniac who goes about as he pleases. Nothing can be done. People just ignore it or toss it aside as ‘strange’ or don’t know what else to do. And then they kill and cause chaos. I’m tired of hearing about these people...something needs to be done to ensure safety of the general public from these loons.


11 posted on 01/31/2013 7:03:15 PM PST by AUJenn
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To: AUJenn

The day he took the boy hostage, he was supposed to be in court. My guess is that is what put him over the edge.

I hope everything ends with no more being hurt. I would not try to kill the guy but if that is what it takes to save the kid, then he has been bought and paid for.


12 posted on 01/31/2013 7:09:56 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: AUJenn

Well, another fella lives in a bunker in that part of the country, but I don’t see the authorities looking in to what his problem may be. Maybe they need to start investigating folks who are recluses like that. Perhaps a little “mental-health profiling” is in order.


13 posted on 01/31/2013 7:14:22 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: AUJenn
Nothing can be done.

Oh yes, something can be done.

14 posted on 01/31/2013 7:15:35 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

They’re saying now according to some neighbor that he’s an anti-government type (who isn’t these days).

If he didn’t have the bunker it would be Ruby Ridge all over again. Anyone see the assault vehicles?


15 posted on 01/31/2013 7:17:49 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Trailerpark Badass
it so they ALL can brag they were there... happens every time

simple overkill

16 posted on 01/31/2013 7:22:16 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: TheRhinelander
Anyone see the assault vehicles? He DID kill a 66-year-old bus driver. I mean, he should be shot if he doesn't surrender pretty soon. Pretty bad person for doing that AND grabbing a 5-year-old. What about the thugs in Chicago who kill innocents and then hide out in the projects? Is the cop army looking for them? Hmmmmm????
17 posted on 01/31/2013 7:22:34 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Now, if some homeys in Chicago decided to attack a school bus and wiped out some of the competition, would we see an equal total law enforcement action like this? I mean, they don’t do much when they kill anyone else. No big manhunt for the killer of that inauguration girl, was there? Or, was there?


18 posted on 01/31/2013 7:25:02 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

ABC radio news had a blurb on this this morning. They made sure to mention he had anti-government views. Said this was “known” about him. Funny how quickly the media can establish motivations when they want to. Apparently the hostage negotiators are talking with him through a pipe. They also reported the boy is autistic.


19 posted on 01/31/2013 7:28:52 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: yarddog

I read that he was supposed to be in court on charges of threatening another neighbor at gunpoint. So he long since went over the edge, this is going ‘round the bend.


20 posted on 01/31/2013 7:32:59 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Yesterday one of the local TV stations reported that a helicopter lit and several soldiers dressed for battle came out. I thought they should not have said that as it could have upset the hostage taker. He supposedly has a TV in the bunker.


21 posted on 01/31/2013 7:34:03 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Just pump in some sleeping gas. Is it really necessary to call out ATF and DHS?


22 posted on 01/31/2013 7:39:41 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: driftdiver

No, I’d be a mess. I’d probably already be in jail or medicated in protective custody from trying to get to him.


23 posted on 01/31/2013 7:42:30 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Yardstick

“ABC radio news had a blurb on this this morning. They made sure to mention he had anti-government views.”

Not to go too off topic, but I listen to Rush and Levi approximately 3 days/week on an ABC radio affiliate, and I am getting pretty sick and tired of the obama-polishing on the ABC radio news.

I am very close to writing down the names of and calling ABC news radio’s advertisers and telling them to pull their ads, or I pull my business. Hope that doesn’t affect the guys I like...


24 posted on 01/31/2013 7:44:11 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: yarddog
...one of the local TV stations reported that a helicopter lit and several soldiers dressed for battle came out.

"Soldiers", as in military/army "soldiers", for which it is illegal to use in action on home soil?

25 posted on 01/31/2013 7:53:50 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This whole incident is being hushed up for some reason. Very few informative stories in the media anywhere. Interesting. Wonder why?

Maybe because the media in Sandyhook were complete news whores, fouled up their reporting in virtually every detail, and turned the massacre into circus maximus.

26 posted on 01/31/2013 7:58:00 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Yehuda

I know what you mean. ABC radio news drives me up a wall. Their reporting is so relentlessly biased, and so sneaky and manipulative. The upside is it’s great for learning what the latest liberal spin on a given issue is going to be.


27 posted on 01/31/2013 8:01:30 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: piasa

More than likely the media has been told by the government to suppress this. Every time they excessively report an incident, it gets copied.


28 posted on 01/31/2013 8:06:02 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: varyouga
Well, Palestinian terror groups have been known to scour the fruit markets for unbalanced people to use as martyrs, or for disgraced teenagers who have no hope and have been rejected by their families over some sin in their past, or for drug users, and offer them an "honorable" way out of their situation, promising a hero's funeral and money to their families. Then the PLO gives them more drugs to push them over completely.

But there have always been nutjobs, and there are often more nutjobs is bad economic times than in good times because people are under more stress, so it would be difficult to prove if there has been any "influencing" going on until someone gets an offer and refuses it, as have some Palestinians, by backing out at the last moment and warning Israelis they'd been loaded up with explosives, getting help. That's when the palestinians came up with the cell phone detonator, so the mule can't back out at the last minute.

There was some nut years ago who buried an entire busload of kids. Some real sickos out there...

29 posted on 01/31/2013 8:08:42 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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Just pump in some sleeping gas.

He already thought of that. Body weight affects time-of-effect and potential toxicity of any drug. Small boy - much less time and lethal in amounts necessary to sedate adult.

30 posted on 01/31/2013 8:09:13 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: TheRhinelander

Go read about the theater hostage situation in Russia. They pumped in gas which knocked out the terrorists and most of the adults in the building, but it killed some.


31 posted on 01/31/2013 8:11:23 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: jeffc

Yes I know the posse Comitatus act forbids the U.S. military to act on American home soil. There are probably a few exemptions such as aiding local law enforcement in odd situations where they would need the experience of various military forces.

I know Eisenhower broke the law when he sent in troops to Little Rock but since the media was 100% supporting no one called him on it.


32 posted on 01/31/2013 8:18:00 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: varyouga

“This is nuts and I’m really contemplating getting the tinfoil out.”

Tinfoil is not wise. It acts like an antenna for the mind-control device that has been planted in your brain.


33 posted on 01/31/2013 8:19:26 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Good point.

There's that gadget that uses sound to incapacitate people, such as an advancing infantry force, but would it work in a bunker?

34 posted on 01/31/2013 8:24:05 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Yardstick

The MSM has executed their designated job very well. Misinform the masses and divert their attention by the pop-culture obsession and trash programming on TV, while the Libs and King Obama set this Country far down the path of ruination and into a third-world cesspool. Liberalism has always been about lowering the standard for everyone rather than the elevation of those living in poverty.
We will end up just like the great Mexico. Wealthy ruling class, and massive poverty with lawless violence. The MSM elites know they won’t be subject to the same cesspool the rest of us will. Ever seen a Communist/Socialist/Marxist/King living in poverty like his serfs?


35 posted on 01/31/2013 8:27:04 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; All

Anyone seen a picture of the Perp? Most shootings by “Vets”, “Supremacists”, “Survivalists”, are reported non-stop by MSM if it fits their agenda.
They have his name but I can’t find a picture of the murderer.


36 posted on 01/31/2013 8:29:52 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Interesting.


37 posted on 01/31/2013 8:30:29 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

“Just pump in some sleeping gas.”

Commissioner Gordon: The old sleeping gas trick?

Batman: Precisely!


38 posted on 01/31/2013 8:36:52 PM PST by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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To: machogirl; Yardstick

” Liberalism has always been about lowering the standard for everyone rather than the elevation of those living in poverty.”

Nailed it.


39 posted on 01/31/2013 8:56:37 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: TheRhinelander

Just pump in some sleeping gas. Is it really necessary to call out ATF and DHS?

That may be the best chance to save the boy.


40 posted on 01/31/2013 9:14:03 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Yardstick; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

From the article:

***The Southern Poverty Law Center reported on its Hatewatch blog that a chief investigator with the Dale County Sheriff’s Office identified the gunman as 65-year-old Jimmy Lee Dykes, although Reuters could not independently verify the gunman’s identity.

Investigator Tim Byrd said Dykes’ friends and neighbors described him as a “survivalist” who did not trust the government, according to the law center blog.

“He was standoffish, didn’t socialize or have any contact with anybody,” Byrd told Hatewatch.

Dykes had not been on the law center’s radar before the shooting and standoff, and there was nothing to suggest he was a member of any hate group, said senior fellow Mark Potok.

“What it looks like is that he’s some kind of anti-government radical and survivalist,” Potok told Reuters. “And exactly what that means, we don’t know.”***

All I can say is that the SPLC is a left-wing organization that admits it doesn’t look at “extreme” left-wing hate groups on its hate watch blog. Plus, I don’t trust Reuters or any of the MSM to not include an agenda or bias in their reports.

I’m not saying that this guy has all his marbles, and isn’t a criminal. I am suggesting that the media will use this situation to further denigrate anyone who doesn’t agree with the liberal mantra of the day, in this case, “anti-government radical and survivalist”. Didn’t they run with the story of Adam Lanza’s mom being a “prepper” based only on the information from one person, a former sister-in-law?


41 posted on 01/31/2013 9:37:57 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: yarddog
The TV thing. ..cannot they 'disengage' his service; his sattelitte; his. . .cable; whatever?

Meantime; given his'government fears'; it is clear, at least; it is Obama's fault.

This is a 'realty horror show'. And can only hope this child; is not totally aware of how bad it is.

42 posted on 01/31/2013 10:24:20 PM PST by cricket (Too many Libs-at-large. They just need a home; somewhere else. . .far away.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Where’s Dirty Harry when you need him?

And I’m not trying to make a joke of the situation. The whole bus thing makes me think of the movie, and how Harry Callahan had to say F* the PC establishment to get the job done.


43 posted on 01/31/2013 11:21:01 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Big Horn

The pipe they use to lower the autism drugs and communicate to kidnapper Jimmy Lee Dykes is the key. With it they can put in a microphone that will pick up sleeping sounds. When it is obvious that Dykes is sleeping, they can send in a gas like Sevoflurane to put him in a deeper sleep. Then, they can breach the bunker and rescue the boy.


44 posted on 01/31/2013 11:36:10 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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Enough gas to put him to sleep would kill the boy.


45 posted on 02/01/2013 3:31:34 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: machogirl
Jimmy Lee Dykes
46 posted on 02/01/2013 5:17:03 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: driftdiver
Enough gas to put him to sleep would kill the boy.

Correct. Believe it or not, but just leaving him alone with 4-5 folks for around-the-clock surveillance would probably be the most appropriate course of action to take. If he comes out, let him move about. Where is he going to go? I guarantee you he has no desire to go anywhere else but his property.

He'll have to do something about water, food, sewage, etc. and will have to come out. He's going to start having some feelings of remorse, if it doesn't already. Sooner or later, he's going to have to let the little boy go outside and will probably decide to just let him go. No need for a entire army there. They really want this guy alive to see what makes him tick, because there are many others just like him.

47 posted on 02/01/2013 5:20:34 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: BO Stinkss

thank you! i couldn’t seem to find it on any article i looked at.


48 posted on 02/01/2013 5:47:32 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl

You’re welcome. Whenever you need a picture, try google images.


49 posted on 02/01/2013 6:01:27 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Anti-Government Views” seems to be the keywords they have decided on in order to “demonstrate he is a “Republican”. They don’t seem to recall that it was the Leftists that really got the whole anti-government ball rolling and that “patriots” like the Una-bomber and others push the movement way to the Left as far as history goes.


50 posted on 02/01/2013 6:01:41 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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