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Combat Veteran Arrested In New York: Charged With 5 Felonies For Possession of AR Magazines
SHTFplan.com ^ | January 31, 2013 | Robert Richardson

Posted on 02/01/2013 5:39:12 AM PST by broken_arrow1

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To: Bulwyf

There is no Paul Revere. Someone had to both KNOW and ORGANIZE the many different freedom loving groups into a big movement.


51 posted on 02/01/2013 8:19:29 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Noamie; All

I carry this. Is there any part that can be strengthened or changed?

1. Am I under arrest or merely being detained? If I am being detained, under what probable circumstances (“probable cause”) can you provide for me to be detained?

2. Under my 4th and 5th Amendment rights, I do not agree or consent to any search of my vehicle or personal effects without a properly executed warrant which must be served upon my person.

3. Searches performed by animal detection means will be afforded provided that a properly executed warrant is issued. I do not agree to provide access to the interior of my vehicle or any personal effects in or out of the vehicle to animal-based searches without a properly executed warrant.

4. I do not agree to answer any questions that may be entered into testimony in a court of law according to my 5th Amendment rights.

5. If I am under arrest, I hereby exercise my 5th Amendment rights and will not provide evidence of any type that may be introduced against me in a court of law. Any gathering of evidence shall be executed under a duly exercised court order and in the presence of my legal representation. I do not agree to or consent to any evidence gathering techniques that causes me to give-up my rights according to the 5th Amendment. This extends to so-called “breathalyzer” test as well as blood draws not done under warrant or in the presence of my legal counsel.


52 posted on 02/01/2013 8:29:12 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: broken_arrow1

“he was randomly pulled over for a vehicle check.”

Don’t forget this little gem.


53 posted on 02/01/2013 8:49:22 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“This is why many FReepers understand that the war on drunk driving has removed more liberties than most people understand.”

And far more of our community celebrate the trampling of liberty in the name of DUI laws!


54 posted on 02/01/2013 8:51:47 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: broken_arrow1

This is interesting, causing a lot of thought...

The power of the state can overwhelm an individual with unlimited prosecutorial resources. Even if there are 100 million gun owners, each, as an individual, can be rendered a criminal and convict.

So the answer must lie in collective, civil action. Perhaps much like the civil rights actions of the south. On a massive scale. A few hundred thousand show up to Jefferson County, each waving a single empty 30 round AR-15 magazine, demanding to be arrested, perhaps.

I don’t know. I don’t know if it takes a “leader” or a groundswell of one-to-one communications, or something else.

But something is going to spark a fire.


55 posted on 02/01/2013 9:10:19 AM PST by frankenMonkey (this space for rent)
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To: broken_arrow1

Possibly an order was given out to target any veteran plated vehicles.
Something to think about. Keep your Veteran license plate or blend in with the sheep?

Personally I would convoy as many Molon Labe, Gadsden flags and veterans plates and taunt them into action.
Its them or us.


56 posted on 02/01/2013 9:20:23 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: frankenMonkey
The power of the state can overwhelm an individual with unlimited prosecutorial resources. Even if there are 100 million gun owners, each, as an individual, can be rendered a criminal and convict.

Not while we have trial by jury. This is what jury nullification if for. Even if they can force a law like this through with no public notice, they still have to get a conviction. As a potential juror in a Second Amendment case, I would answer the juror questions as quickly and casually as possible but with the intent of being selected for the jury and being truthful but not helpful in my answers. If asked whether I "could" vote to convict, the answer is "yes". Would I? No way, but I could! We just need one juror in twelve to be a patriotic American, and I would hope we would have far mroe than that.

57 posted on 02/01/2013 9:30:25 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Pollster1

I think that by the time an individual reaches the point of standing before a jury, that individual is destroyed financially; the state has effectively won regardless of the verdict or nullification.
(My thoughts at this time, I appreciate your feedback.)


58 posted on 02/01/2013 9:37:32 AM PST by frankenMonkey (this space for rent)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I’ll take “Probable Cause” for $500, Alex.

I think our GovCo style government churns out laws designed to transfer power to GovCo and make lawyers money. That's definitely the case with all of obamacare.

They know these beasts they pass are outrageous and will be challenged along the way as they are imposed, which means lots of lawyers getting paid.

The more and higher the challenges go, the more it costs for ever better lawyers, who get paid even more, and all love the attention for all sorts of reasons.

If it's really nasty, eventually, politicians can/will base campaigns on getting rid of this assault upon private citizens, etc. Rinse and repeat. Win-win.

Most of the time, I see us as having fallen for and into every spiritual trap set for specifically us. Too bad we keep trying to dig our way back out of the hole. All too easy. We're like when the boss's kids inherit the business without having a clue or any interest in how to run it.

59 posted on 02/01/2013 9:52:35 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Truth2012

What’s stopping us from organizing?


60 posted on 02/01/2013 10:01:27 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Courage. ;)


61 posted on 02/01/2013 10:10:10 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: stuartcr
Do they go through your vehicle? Did they go through your belongings and open up any bags or containers?

No, but he was looking into the car and looking for any reason to conduct a search.

I keep my car organized and clean, so there is nothing that would provide such cause.

62 posted on 02/01/2013 10:50:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Did this guy have the magazines laying out in plain sight? Otherwise, I wonder how he found them.

Clean cars are the best, I don’t have anything laying out in plain view in my vehicle.


63 posted on 02/01/2013 10:57:48 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: dagogo redux

64 posted on 02/01/2013 10:59:31 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: frankenMonkey
I think that by the time an individual reaches the point of standing before a jury, that individual is destroyed financially; the state has effectively won regardless of the verdict or nullification. (My thoughts at this time, I appreciate your feedback.)

Yes - and no. A lawyer can demand a "speedy trial" (the Sixth Amendment, which the far left has not yet undermined), which at least in the states I am familiar with starts a limited clock and reduces the financial damage from a frivolous or malicious prosecution. Also, there is a difference between the financial damage from 90 days without working even if held without bail (Amendment Eight), and the unrecoverable damage of a felony conviction. I would be more than happy to be the defendant in a case like this, and it would not surprise me if a patriotic veteran was comfortable with taking that risk. If someone is in that situation, for patriotic reasons or just from bad luck, I want to be there to vote for acquittal.

65 posted on 02/01/2013 11:57:46 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I have never heard of this “Constitution Free Zone” before last night. It would seem that we would be aware of this change of 100 miles from the border (DHS - 2008), anyone can be searched without probable cause.

I don’t know the details or if it is fact, but found this
http://www.aclu.org/constitution-free-zone-map.

Does anyone know if this is true?


66 posted on 02/01/2013 12:24:34 PM PST by loulou41
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To: loulou41

The map is bogus ACLU bs. The whole US is a Constitution free zone. The passage of gun control laws, Patriot Act, Rico, and other laws has made the whole US a Constitution free zone.


67 posted on 02/01/2013 12:51:34 PM PST by Ratman83
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To: GlockThe Vote

Oh, I know. I’m in the ducal fiefdom of the house of Biden. Dad’s the court jester for the regime; one son is AG and does what daddy says; another son is a crook and the daughter is a drunk & a druggie.


68 posted on 02/01/2013 1:23:30 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: broken_arrow1

Randomly pulled over?????


69 posted on 02/01/2013 1:27:34 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: grobdriver

“Just a little clarification there...”

Yep. For example we’re in the 3rd circuit here in NJ which is loaded with Reagan and Bush I and II appointees, where are the NRA lawsuits for NJ’s unconstitutional gun laws?


70 posted on 02/01/2013 1:46:36 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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