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Durbin disconnect defines Democrat delusions on gun control
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 31 January, 2012 | Dave Workman

Posted on 02/01/2013 5:43:59 AM PST by marktwain

Illinois Senator Richard Durbin’s exchange Wednesday with National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre defined the disconnect anti-gun Democrats have with the reality of so-called “universal background checks” and why they won’t stop criminals from obtaining firearms.

As quoted in the Seattle Times, and shown in this video, Durbin became engaged in a frustrating debate with LaPierre. The NRA executive told the Senate Judiciary Committee that “My problem with background checks is that you’re never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks.”

“You’ll create an enormous federal bureaucracy, unfunded, hitting all the little people in the country (who) will have to go through it, pay the fees, pay the taxes,” LaPierre said.

After LaPierre was cut off by Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Sen. Durbin made this observation: “Mr. LaPierre, that’s the point. The criminals won’t go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. We’ll stop them from the original purchase. You miss that point completely.”

No, it is Durbin who “misses the point completely” even after LaPierre had explained it at least twice, to both Durbin and Leahy.

Criminals do not get their firearms through regular retail channels, nor do they get them from gun shows or any other legitimate avenue. They would not, as Sen. Durbin and his fellow anti-gun Democrats evidently believe, be discouraged by a universal background check because they don’t submit to such checks, anyway.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: background; banglist; durbin; guncontrol; registration; secondamendment
I do not believe that Durbin and other anti-freedom people are this stupid. They know this will not make a dent in crime. It is just another step toward universal gun registration, which is simply universal gun confiscation over the long term, as it was in the UK.

What they really want is cultural genocide of the gun culture, because it promotes individuality and individual responsibilitly.

They also detest the check on government power that an armed citizenry provides.

1 posted on 02/01/2013 5:44:03 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The Dems better understand one thing right now. If they push this through, we will not stop until we have 4473 style forms and a NICS check to vote... Mandatory in EVERY election.

They better really think hard on their course of action because they are about to open doors they don’t want opened.

We’re also going to gain legal standing on a few things that they really don’t want touched.

Keep messing with RKBA... watch what happens. It’s not going to be to the liking of our elected representatives.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 5:50:47 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: marktwain
Durbin is, in fact, this stupid. Recall, this is the guy who thinks the US military were storm troopers for the Nazis in WWII.

Dick's really big concern is that somebody is going to report that he's loose from the institution again.

3 posted on 02/01/2013 5:51:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain
Sen. Durbin made this observation: “Mr. LaPierre, that’s the point. The criminals won’t go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. We’ll stop them from the original purchase. You miss that point completely.”

Democrats are plain stupid and there's no fixing that.

4 posted on 02/01/2013 5:52:02 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: marktwain

I heard that exchange. It was pretty funny, actually.


5 posted on 02/01/2013 5:56:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

We have a winner!

it is not about keeping guns out of criminal hands, it is about make work for bureaucrats and raising revenues to sustain it.


6 posted on 02/01/2013 5:57:52 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: muawiyah
Durbin, like most if not all of the 100 senators is a legend in his on mind. A mental midget that thinks he is a genius.
His counterpart is John McCain on the other side.
7 posted on 02/01/2013 5:59:37 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: marktwain

This has NOTHING to do with gun control and everything to do with control.


8 posted on 02/01/2013 6:05:40 AM PST by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: marktwain

“They also detest the check on government power that an armed citizenry provides.”

Allow me to quote a hero of the totalitarian left, Chairman Mao. Mao said, “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” Therefore, if We, the People, exercise our Second Amendment rights, we have political power; if, We, the People, lose our Second Amendment rights(are disarmed as the democrats and some RINOs want)we have no political power. To me, it’s an easy decision which way to go, the Second Amendment is to be defended with blood, if necessary.


9 posted on 02/01/2013 6:11:33 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: BCR #226
They better really think hard on their course of action because they are about to open doors they don’t want opened.

They're going to push it through and nothing's going to happen in response. The NRA will raise more money, but it won't make a difference and won't equal what Soros and the rest of the fascist billionaires kick in. Maybe, this will tip a House election or two, but that's it. The GOP is probably going to lose the House at mid-terms anyway.

Don't you get it? We're past the tipping point. The only variable now is the rate of the descent until the country breaks up.

10 posted on 02/01/2013 6:12:51 AM PST by Entrepreneur (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: marktwain

Richard Durbin??? I live in Illinois. This is the first time I remember him referred to anything other than dick.


11 posted on 02/01/2013 6:12:51 AM PST by ne1410s ("We will not tolerate your intolerance!!!" ...huh?)
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To: Tupelo; All
“Durbin, like most if not all of the 100 senators is a legend in his on mind. A mental midget that thinks he is a genius.

His counterpart is John McCain on the other side.”

I have met John McCain and observed him closely at public meetings. He is not stupid. Sad to say, I think he is totally invested in the idea that the government must protect us “little people” from ourselves.

It is a hard sell to say this directly, so they have to lie to accomplish it. That is what makes them seem so stupid. The lie is the heart of Regressive politics. Even the term “Progressive” is a lie. Their polices are regressive. They would move us back to a time before the rule of law, back to the rule by individual men, at their whim.

12 posted on 02/01/2013 6:16:23 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: ne1410s

“Richard Durbin??? I live in Illinois. This is the first time I remember him referred to anything other than dick.”

When I lived in ILLinois people used to refer to him as The Dick Durbin.


13 posted on 02/01/2013 6:23:17 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: marktwain

Let’s look at it this way. Legal drugs go to people who need them for legal, medical reasons, as authorized by prescriptions. Just because a piece of paper is missing does not keep illegal drugs away from criminals, and that won’t keep illegal weapons away from criminals either.

All we’re doing with all this record keeping is creating and maintaining an underground, black market economy going. It’s escaping the tax man, and it’s creating kingpins that are so powerful they can escape the most intense government efforts at prosecution, to the point that they ultimately get in bed with the government. The ultimate result is that certain individuals within the government will become corrupt due to the large amounts of money involved, and they, in turn, will influence others to vote to eliminate the freedoms of the people.

To figure out what will happen in all of these highly emotional issues, one must only get to the fundamental basic of the issues:

FOLLOW THE MONEY


14 posted on 02/01/2013 6:35:05 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: marktwain

Hand him a bill calling for drug lords and gang bangers to run background checks on new recruits, before arming them.


15 posted on 02/01/2013 6:41:21 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: marktwain

Its not just about taking away all our guns. Look at their comments and bills the gun grabbers are sponsoring. They’re littered with gun registration fees, background check fees, ammunition taxes, gun registration taxes, conceal/carry license fees and more.

I’m telling you they aren’t really interested in taking our guns away,at least at first. The democrats want what they’ve always wanted first and foremost, money. They look at gun ownership as a revenue stream ripe for their picking.

Their plan is to make you and I be glad that they’re not taking away our guns and happy to pay all their fees and taxes to the government coffers.

Then when they get away with it,their plans are to tax us for exercising our other constitutional rights.

That’s their master plan, I can see it from miles away.


16 posted on 02/01/2013 6:42:59 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ne1410s

Lol!!! Same here, although I express my disdain for him by calling him Dick(head) Durbin.


17 posted on 02/01/2013 6:46:28 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: marktwain

They are, by a good definition, “liberal reactionaries”.

They have long had rigid theories about what they believe to be true. But these theories have been tried over and over again, and have *always* failed. This results is a bizarre frame of mind.

1) False nostalgia that somewhere, sometime in the past they were tried, somewhere, and worked. They do not examine this in any depth, because it collapses, unless they are so ideologically fanatical that they see an entirely different reality from other people. And some of them actually do.

Even at the bitter end of the Soviet Union, when everything was decayed and falling apart, the Soviet Intourist travel agency was still taking American communists on tours, of horribly polluted and decrepit communist projects, and all the tourists could *see* were “unicorns and rainbows”. They were *that* deluded. And they all spewed a constant stream of ideologically pure dialectic at their travel agents, many of whom would play along, even though they could at least see the truth.

2) An almost psychotic view of present reality. If you hook someone like Chris Matthews up to a lie detector, and peppered him with outrageous questions about the way things are today, he would likely register “true”, in believing things that are patently false. He truly believes that Republicans are fascist, neo-Nazis with a sense of deep racist hatred of black people. And likely that Obama is Jesus come again. They are *that* deluded.

Trying to argue with a person like that is like the frustrating experience of talking to someone who is genuinely insane. “The lights are on but nobody is home.” There *is* no rationality there.

When you point out that what is being done is failing, they will say either, “That is because it is under-funded”, “Because it is being sabotaged by those opposed to it”, or “It will only work when it is universal, and no other system is allowed to compete with it.”

3) Bizarre ideas about the future. And this is the weirdest part of all. They lack any sort of pattern recognition. They can hit themselves on the hand, hard, with a claw hammer a dozen times; but will not recognize their increasing injury. They can grasp that other people are horrified by what they are doing, so they will blatantly lie to try and fool them.

“No, I have never hit myself on the hand with a claw hammer. But if I did, it wouldn’t hurt. It would be good for me. So everybody must hit themselves on the hand with a claw hammer. The government must make them.”

So the bottom line is that, with a senile philosophy, liberals are reduced to being reactionaries. Psychopaths about the harm they will cause, feeling no empathy to others. But convinced beyond doubt that if people just do what they say, *everything* will be “good”.


18 posted on 02/01/2013 6:58:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: marktwain; SkyPilot; ConorMacNessa; knarf; NFHale; IbJensen; Yehuda; Kathy in Alaska; onyx; ...

Exposing Elitist Politicians who want to destroy our Constitution and this nation as founded. Scroll down below photo and watch video of testimony:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/31/legal-immigrants-must-watch-testimony-against-gun-control-in-america/


19 posted on 02/01/2013 7:01:04 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: marktwain

“I do not believe that Durbin and other anti-freedom people are this stupid....”

Wrong. People are “liberal” (er, now “progressive”) exactly because ideology and the things they want to believe are true trump any logic or point of fact, even a fact that stubbornly repeats itself.

When pressed further, the next phase of how a liberal relates to stubborn facts is one of several techniques: to dodge, that is to attempt to physically escape; to attempt to change the subject; or to launch into a personal attack against the person who keeps bringing this fact up.


20 posted on 02/01/2013 7:12:47 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain

“anti-gun Democrats”

As has been noted before, the Democrats are not anti-gun. To them, guns in the hands of government are good. Same guns in the hands of free citizens are bad.

Gun control is a subset of the Democrats’ universal objective: that no one and no thing be free of their control.


21 posted on 02/01/2013 7:16:29 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: ne1410s

Democrats and RINOS
GOD DENIERS AND CONGENITAL LIARS
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS/
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
AND BE DEFENSELESS WHEN CROOKS COME

(The above is designed for use as an index sized palmcard to be paased out to your friends and neighbors)

Conservatives and supporters of the 2nd amendment the Obama regime is using the 2nd amendment argument to blame gun owners for its inability to deal with the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings commited in areas under their solid control using illegally obtained firearms.

Obama’s solution to those inner city problems is to remove those rights provided by the constitution to have and bear arms from all US citizens before any search an seizure begins in those troublesome areas which by the way will never happen.

But none of those 23 so called “reforms” and unconstitutional efforts being edicted by who some call an emperor do not deal with the following issues briefly outlined below let alone insane shooters using stolen weapons. .

They won’t because instead of creating a uniformly democratic society where every citizen has an equal voice no matter what their race or ethnicity.

Obama’s policies have divided races and ethnic groups gerrymandering congressional districts where much of this criminal activity occurs.

GOPES {G-overment O-f (the) P-eople (republican party) E-lite-S} see this issue as a 3rd rail because most of it is black on black or illegal vs illegal (Mexican) activity .

GOPES are also afraid to say that policy also increased racial tension which has resited in deaths. But again GOPES accept this because of the influence of mainline socialist media which would be accusing them of “racism” if they dare to question it.

The purpose of all this hype on guns is to keep the right and conservatives focused on what the Demo-Coms describe as issues through their propaganda arm known as the MSM (mainline socialist media) not on the problems created by the “Libs” on their road of good intentions or the socialist/fascists/communists successors to comtrol over todays Democrat party;

Which is the cost ,waste, and corruption of this administration which had led to a 16 trillion dollar deficit.

Not one word addresses or offers a solution about the hundreds of gangland murders and shootings using illegaly obtained mostly handguns and revolvers .

Perpetuating the general populations ignorance and using code words like “assault rifles” they’re demonizing single shot per trigger pull semi automatic rifles, used for small game hunting or target practice. That are legal in every state but made to look like their military counterpart..

Military AR’s since Viet Nam and a DOD decision ARs are really medium caliber (22.3) machine guns designed to wound not necessarilly kill which is why they are automatic and fire as many rounds that are in its magazine once the trigger is kept in the pulled position.

They replace quick kill 30 caliber semi automatic (single shot) M-1, Springfield rifles and carbines used during WWII and Korea and approved in most states for use in big game hunting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977901/posts NY Post pix of shooter using handgun

Obama certainly can’t critique a system created by his ilk .Ignored in his 23 edicts is that when once caught, perps get set free with lenient sentencing from “liberal” judges or sob sister plea bargain prosecution (which Obama supports for when a Illinois state senator while introducing legislation to sentence any 15 year old as an adult,(opps they could be fatherless) Obama voted “absent” with others on that roll call vote. But that leniency is promoted by the MSM,The New York Times CNN, NBC and,ABC. There’s certainly no criticism of “no snitch” mentality partcularly in areas where these shootings are rampant.

It would be nice at these rallys if conservatives would point these facts out to Obamas adoring public.


22 posted on 02/01/2013 7:47:44 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Excellent post. Isn’t that state of affairs called “cognitive dissonance”?


23 posted on 02/01/2013 8:29:50 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I don’t think so, because cognitive dissonance implies a personal conflict, and while many liberals are filled with the deepest personal conflicts and neuroses, their weird political ideas are rigidly believed and enforced among themselves.

For example, why they purged any pro-life and moderate Democrats from the party; and how, during the Clinton years, all the Democrats who spoke in public followed an identical script, one that was so inflexible that someone actually figured out the practiced checklist they used. (I wish I had kept that analysis.)

That is, they stopped giving independent opinion and just recited what they had been told to recite. And they would not stray from the script. Which is downright scary.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 9:25:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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