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Amish Men Accused of Animal Cruelty Defend Their Actions ("In the Amish it’s acceptable")
WHAM News, Rochester NY ^ | 1/31 11:40 pm | Reported by: Jane Flasch

Posted on 02/01/2013 6:15:09 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Clyde, N.Y. - Two Amish men from Wayne County are accused of killing a litter of healthy puppies and their mother.

“This is simply a case of animal cruelty,” says Wayne County District Attorney Rick Healy who intends to charge the pair.

The nine dead dogs were discovered in a compost pile and reported to police January 17th.

Merlin Schumacher who owns the dogs says he was trying to breed Australian Red Heelers, but when he couldn’t sell the dogs and they became “too big” he asked an employee to shoot them.

Jonathan Eicher agreed to put the dogs down.

“In the Amish it’s acceptable to put dogs down. I thought as long as you did it out back it was okay,” Eicher told police. Eicher referred to what he called “the three S’s: shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

That is where Amish custom and New York law clash. New York A.G. and Market Laws prevent the killing of otherwise healthy animals for no reason.

“They need to understand that it is illegal,” says DA Healy. “They can’t treat the animals the way they want to treat the animals they must treat the animals humanely.”

Schumacher, who owns the dogs, told police he had “raised the dogs and couldn’t put them down myself so I asked Jonathan to do it.”

Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor.

Schumacher was charged Wednesday, Eicher expected to be charged Wednesday evening.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: amish; cruelty; dogs; puppymills
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To: Piranha
Now you've gone and done it......

That's different you know....The "Humane" Society..has the "okay" to do it.

81 posted on 02/01/2013 12:47:25 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: MrB
I suggest that if my worldview assumptions bother you, that it’s your problem, not mine.

I'm not bothered by it. I'd be perpetually bothered if I was. The author of that book you posted a link to, is from the discovery institute. That tells me everything I need to know to predict your every opinion, and also gives me the reason why you need assumptions to build your worldview. It must be comforting to live in a world of make believe.
82 posted on 02/01/2013 12:59:23 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: Venturer
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83 posted on 02/01/2013 1:02:55 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: ZX12R

See, the blindspot that atheists have is that they try to tell themselves that they either have no assumptions, or their assumptions are based on “reason”, which in itself is a circular argument where your feet are grounded firmly in midair.


84 posted on 02/01/2013 1:08:40 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: reformedliberal
We are on our 2nd Akita.

What are their temperament? Can they be trusted around children?

You did have an unusual dog pack experience,

Neither the dispatcher nor the sheriff's deputy could stop laughing. There's a little bit more to it. You're right, the dog was a pet. It had a collar and ID on it. While we waited for animal control, the deputy was calling in a bunch of charges, ownership of a dangerous animal, blah blah blah, stuff like that. Last I heard, when the owner came to claim the dog, he had a nice sit down with the sheriff's department. :-)

Coon and possum usually don’t stick around an adult Akita

I don't have a problem with possum.. it's the coon's I want dead or run off. If an Akita can do that I might have to look into getting one. Bunch of coons can wreck a corn field let me tell ya... and boy do they love melons.


85 posted on 02/01/2013 1:11:31 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

Raised from puppyhood w/kids and they are good to excellent. Used as babysitters in Japan, historically.

Our guy comes from a breeder in Mindoro, WI. She also runs a private email group for her owners & owners-to-be and there are a lot of families w/kids, plus this genetic line seems really tractable and good-tempered. Her website:
http://kitabears.homestead.com/
You can see her dogs over 2 generations. She has one stud and 3 females and does 3 litters a year. You need a reservation. Males, right now, are in short supply, with more reservations for them than puppies available.

I would say visit various breeders and study up on the breed. They are very independent-minded and take a firm hand and time to train. Not for everyone. You really have to stay one step ahead. I advocate a puppy just because then, you aren’t dealing with someone’s mistakes or trying to replace a bonded leader. This is like having a baby, though and means broken sleep for at least 2-3 months.

You want to see some of the dogs at the middle & ends of their lives, too. Some lines have hip & knee problems, some have skin probs and auto immune issues.

They have an innate high prey drive, so it is important they be socialized with the family, kids, other pets from weaning onward. They must recognize everyone in the family as alpha to them. On the whole, though, they are very loving dogs and want to please. Bright, too.


86 posted on 02/01/2013 1:46:16 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: yldstrk

yeah, so.......

I want babies protected

I also want animals protected

We can choose to protect both.

I don’t want animals or babies to suffer.


I’m NOT to be included YOUR ‘WE”........


87 posted on 02/01/2013 1:52:25 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (IHaveSwornUponTheAltarOfGod eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Persevero

But a clean shot to the head is not torture.


But its one d__n tough shot to make.


88 posted on 02/01/2013 2:24:12 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (IHaveSwornUponTheAltarOfGod eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: S.O.S121.500

????????????????????????


89 posted on 02/01/2013 3:42:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I am not to be included in your WE........speak for yourself. What I choose to so is my business...don’t speak for anyone else.


90 posted on 02/01/2013 4:51:04 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (IHaveSwornUponTheAltarOfGod eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Pecos

PETA kills all the animals that are left in their care.


91 posted on 02/01/2013 5:05:21 PM PST by Eva
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To: S.O.S121.500

you are ridiculous


92 posted on 02/01/2013 5:35:10 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Persevero

” I think it is normally kinder to do it at home when the animal is sleeping.”

He shot nine dogs. You really expect us to believe the animals slept through all the gunshots?


93 posted on 02/01/2013 8:38:20 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“He shot nine dogs. You really expect us to believe the animals slept through all the gunshots?”

I don’t know what he has stated.

Were I on a jury, I would not vote to convict unless evidence was presented that he tortured them in some way, not that he just killed them.


94 posted on 02/01/2013 11:17:32 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: S.O.S121.500

“But its one d__n tough shot to make.”

On a dog? I don’t think so.


95 posted on 02/01/2013 11:18:27 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Pecos

Yup. Don’t forget about the “gay” dog.


96 posted on 02/01/2013 11:30:51 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Total hypocrisy by the state of NY. There are kill shelters all over the place. Is the objection to the way they were killed or to the killing itself?


97 posted on 02/02/2013 9:05:44 AM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

You have to keep in mind that for the Amish, the breeding and selling dogs is no different to them than breeding cows and growing crops.

If a farmer, Amish or otherwise has a dairy cow that doesn’t produce any milk, the farmer would most likely put her down – they are not going to incur the expense of keeping an animal alive that provides no economic value. Likewise, if a farmer, Amish or otherwise had a bad crop of corn that doesn’t start growing, they’d plow it under and start again with another crop.

While I personally find it rather sad and I think the Amish here in PA are a big part of the “puppy mill” industry; something I abhor for many reasons, I can, from purely a business perspective understand why they do this.

FWIW, my mother’s cousin was a breeder of pure bred AKC registered Boxers. He even had one dog go all the way to Westminster. While he loved his dogs, breeding and selling top quality dogs was his business. As a kid I was shocked to learn that if one of his Boxers had a litter of white or albino Boxer puppies, he would immediately and humanly euthanize them as they were unsellable and of no value to him. While they might have, despite not being able to be AKC registered back then, still might have made a great pet for someone; he however wasn’t in the business of selling “pet” quality dogs but in the business of breeding and selling top quality, show quality dogs. For him to feed and care for puppies that had very little sale value or even had to be given away, just didn’t make sense to him from a business perspective not to mention that he felt that the proliferation of poor quality dogs diluted the breed’s gene pool overall.


98 posted on 02/02/2013 9:39:09 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Persevero

On a dog? I don’t think so.


When its your dog........real tough.


99 posted on 02/02/2013 12:44:27 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a Democrat above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
New York A.G. and Market Laws prevent the killing of otherwise healthy animals for no reason.

Too bad they don't extend that same protection to otherwise healthy unborn children.

100 posted on 02/02/2013 1:30:54 PM PST by SuziQ
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