Skip to comments.The Boy Scouts' 'Braveheart' moment
Posted on 02/01/2013 7:34:08 AM PST by lost in the snow
The Boy Scouts of America is about to be torn apart.
In one respect, it doesnt matter what BSAs board members decide when they meet next week to change their long-standing policy excluding avowed homosexuals, or not to change their policy. Either way, the Boy Scouts of America will not emerge unscathed. It will be bloodied. It will be hurt. The only question is: When the dust settles, which side will the 100-year-old organization be on? Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-boy-scouts-braveheart-moment/#ROuvYRYudoUJSlV2.99
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Well, you’re either “morally straight”... or you’re not.
Downsize and keep to their principles!
Amazing how the libs always manage to take over the BOD. They know that is where the power and money is, and they really don't have to do any real work.
I agree 100%.
The 99% of boy scouts are quiet about it, and support the BSA without saying a single word about them.
The 1% of homosexual activists have confused the issue.
BSA: please ignore the noise, and get off the bone-headed policy before you destroy the best organization around.
another good article...
time for members to demand Randall Stephenson resign.
The following is my letter to the Southern Arizona Catalina Council. Many of you could copy, paste, and send it to your councils.
Subject: Scouting is By and For People Who Love Scouting
As a Scout Parent I have volunteered thousands hours as a Den Leader, Asst. Leader, and as a Volunteer Parent helping the Troop on activities from camp-outs to Spit and Slurps. I also give money regularly through the “Friends of Scouting”. I am a typical Scout Parent. In my Troop alone there are Scouting Parents and Scouting Adults who no longer have kids in Scouting, who volunteer hundreds of times the hours that I have given, all for the love and joy of Scouting.
If the BSA keeps it current policies it may lose some corporate money but the BSA will survive. If the BSA bows to outside pressure groups and allows homosexual leaders, my family, and many other Scouting families, will withdraw volunteer support as well as monetary support from the BSA. Many BSA troops are hosted, as my Troop is, by Churches of every religion, Mormon, Methodist, etc. Should the BSA allow gay leaders, those Churches who host Troops would soon likely let their charters lapse and Troops would be forced to find new homes or disband.
The BSA will never survive a blow like that. No amount of corporate promises could ever take the place of those volunteers and church sponsors. The BSA was not and is not meant to be a corporate run entity. Scouting runs, as we all know, on the generosity of people who LOVE SCOUTING, and cannot survive by the hand of those who despise the BSA’s adherence to GODs Law.
Once the BSA is abandoned by parents and sponsors, the outside pressure groups who forced the new policy would not be able to or even willing to make up the short fall in BSA volunteers. They would abandon the BSA as quickly as the Scouting Parents and the BSA would likely cease to exist.
I hope and pray, while outside groups still allow Scouts to pray, that the BSA will make the right choice.
Yours In Scouting,
(Name withheld to protect the guilty)
Board of Directors, no?
BOD = board of directors
Or want to be as self sufficient as possible.
How does a Brit libturd (aka. think Piers Morgan) get to sit on the Board of Boy Scout of America and even more ridiculous, is the Chairman of the Board of the BSA?
These non-profit organizations somehow seem to love to pick high-profile RAT bastard liberals & socialists to sit on their Board of Directors, and then sit there with a perplexed look on their faces when the liberal board members start to push their pro-homo / pro-lesbian / pro-Islam / anti-American / anti-Christianity ideologies onto the organizations.
I was a boy scout growing up, but IMHO the BSA could put a stop to this nonsense by removing the liberals & socialists from their board of directors.
I have a son in Cub Scouts. Here is the conclusion of a fairly inflamatory e-mail I sent BSA this morning:
I also demand that Randall Stephenson and James Turley be removed from the BSA board. They are guilty of attempting to destroy the Boy Scouts of America organization and contributing to the delinquency of millions of minors. Hasn’t there been and isn’t there now enough child molestation in BSA for these two reprobates?
They are very difficult to remove.
I’ve read David Kupelian’s books. He’s a terrific analyst who really understands issues at the level of first principles.
I have five (out of six) sons and a daughter in Scouting. We’ve been leaders and volunteers for 15 years. I’m so distressed by this that I feel physically sick. I don’t know what we’ll do if the Board betrays everything they claim to stand for.
Obviously, it’s not going to become a Folsom Street Fair overnight, but how can we participate in and support an organization that so blatantly abandons its principles ... ultimately for nothing, as Mr. Kupelian points out, because the attacks won’t stop, they’ll just get worse.
Go to BSA web site and submit a letter - I did:
I am writing in absolute disgust to hear that the BSA is actually considering reversing its ban on homosexual leaders enlisting and stands against homosexual behavior. Are you out of your minds? This decision will be catastrophic if it is allowed to be implemented. I have two boys in the cub scouts currently, and one them (may) become a boy scout this year. We were starting to decide on a local troop for him, but if this policy goes through, my decision will be an easy one. Absolutely no way will I ever allow my sons to be at risk on camping trips and scouting activities, knowing that potential predators are now welcome to serve as their leaders. I was already a bit uncomfortable with the fact that he would be on trips without my supervision. But this will make it impossible to approve. As we have seen with the recent Church scandals, there is no one you can completely trust with your young boys. But to actually invite this into your organization, is irresponsible and dangerous! It will be the end of the Boy Scouts and certainly the end of mine and my sons’ involvement and contributions. So very sad to hear this and I hope and pray that this will not happen. The BSA is one fo the last holdouts for moral decency in America. A place where boys learn to be moral men, which our country so desperately needs more of in these troubling times. To sacrifice our beliefs and truth for political and/or financial gain is in itself morally reprehensible. Please consider the repercussions that will surely come with proposed policy change. I do not want to pull my boys out of scouting anytime soon, but this leaves me absolutely no choice.
That is what they should do. Unfortunately, I don’t think the board members will live up to the values of the BSA.
“Downsize and keep to their principles!”
I don’t think sticking to their principles will cause a downsize.
I guess it will cause a drop in corporate donations.
But I think changing their policy will result in a flood of sponsoring organizations and scouts leaving.
You know, I don’t think Scouting has abandoned us, their executive committee is making the decision. I have talked to BSA employees and they are sick about this. When two people can convince the board to change the policies of a 100+ year organization, something is wrong.
THEN STAY OUT OF THE BOY SCOUTS! (Sorry for shouting)
I wouldn't join PETA and expect them to start grilling ribeyes. I wouldn't join NMBLA and expect them to leave the little boys alone. I wouldn't join the Democrat party and expect them to start believing in the Constitution, Religious Freedom, Capitalism or Personal Liberty.
So why do they expect they can join the BSA and expect us to accept Godless, immoral members?
I am in the same situation and will respond in exactly the same way.
So, who really should be calling the shots?
I'm sure they are.
When two people can convince the board to change the policies of a 100+ year organization, something is wrong.
I agree. They can't be so stupid as to be unaware of the harm to boys and to the organization, so they must be profoundly corrupt and evil. The sons of the Evil One are at work all around us.
Good letter - I will write mine this afternoon.
Did you use the “feedback” form at the website?
Homosexuals fantasize about the Boy Scouts.
This move, even as a consideration, was stupid.
Yes, I’ve seen the pictures from the Elton John show. If they don’t repent, it’s going to be a bad, bad eternity for them.
Here is the letter I will be submitting to my pack next week if BSA allows homosexuals to openly serve as scouts and leaders. I have already notified my local council and the national organization of my intentions in a letter as well. I have edited out the names for privacy reasons:
Dear Parents and Leaders,
It is with much sadness that due to a recent change in national policy by the Boy Scouts of America we cant in good conscience support, my son and I have decided to leave scouting.
We strongly believe that allowing homosexuals to openly join scouts or serve as leaders in scouting is simply unacceptable. Not just that we personally disagree with homosexuality and believe it is socially deviant sexual behavior, but also the overwhelming majority of sexual predators of small boys are adult homosexual males.
To us, that is a direct threat to our son. Knowing that there is a reasonable risk of homosexual leaders or adults who could be sexual predators and who are present at summer camps, winter lodges, or other council properties or events where packs from various districts are attending, is too great a risk for us as parents to take and we simply will not allow our son to attend any council functions, which severely limits and diminishes the scouting experience for him. I personally know men who as children were sexually abused and victimized by adult male homosexuals and now many years later as adults themselves, they are still trying to cope with the trauma of those horrible events, and their lives have been forever scarred by brutal, vicious attacks.
We are sad to leave scouts, but we can’t participate in or support an organization where we believe there is a genuine threat to his safety and well-being.
Our family has thoroughly enjoyed our time in scouts. Serving as Cub Master and a Den Leader has given me memories I will cherish for the rest of my life. It has been great to get to know all of you and share the scouting experience, and I wish you and your scouts the very best of luck in the future.
The CEO is NOT “King”.
Fire him now.
Restore the BSA image and stick with their time proven principles.
They did fine without corporate sponsorship for decades and can do so again.
Yes! Stephenson should resign and anyone else advocating the gay agenda. How did they ever get on the board?
The Boy Scouts should realize that the Left is best at infiltrating and undermining organizations. They’ve done it to our universities, the educational establishment, and even the entertainment industry, which has moved steadily leftward over the decades. Hard to believe movies were made upholding traditional values back in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and even some in the 1960s.
Yes I used the contact page...scroll to bottom of the home page. I filed it under scout protection and safety.
Braveheart or Brokeback?
BSA may well have only two choices:
(1) Suicide - acquiesce to pressure for gay Scoutmasters to take our children into the woods, or
(2) Murder - refuse to bow to evil and eventually watch as the organization is shut down by a petty tyrant like Obama.
Even if neither option appeals, Scouting should take the moral path. BSA’s leaders should be trustworthy, and this vote will tell us whether they were worthy of our trust. Our leaders should be loyal to the Scouts and the Scouters who depend on them to protect us from outside threats. Our leaders should be helpful, which includes helping us to keep our kids physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. Our leaders should be obedient to the Scout Oath, which requires them to stand up to threats and bullying. Our leaders should be brave, even though it takes courage to do the right thing in the face of pressure. Our leaders should be reverent, recognizing that the Bible and the Torah, which together cover the vast majority of Scouts, prohibit homosexual behavior - imposing Scout leaders who are not morally straight on our kids is irreverent toward God.
A major problem is that the 25-40 year old crowd has had massive public school indoctrination to believe homosexuality is normal and they as parents see nothing wrong with boy humpers in the Boy Scouts.
The ironic thing is that they do see heterosexual men with their daughters in the Girl Scouts as wrong.
They see homosexuals as “victims” and want to coddle them with special favors. That’s how the homosexual liberals have brainwashed these feeble minded idiots into thinking about homosexuals, as “victims” needing special privileges to make up for their being “victims”.
The now wearisome bullying tactics by the homosexual activists to force their views on others most prominently features one over-riding fact that is inexplicably ignored: THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES IN FORCING THEIR WORLD VIEW ON OTHERS . . . IT IS ALL ABOUT THEM.
Never mind that we need to spend far more energy and effort on repairing the family and that untold millions of children suffer tremendously because of that neglect. Never mind that they are severely damaging an organization in BSA that has been a tremendous force for good. Never mind that their efforts to change civil rights laws threatens the effectiveness of the Christian church that has for so long ministered to the needs of the sick, the emotional and spiritual needs of countless numbers, who built and operated schools and hospitals, and provided a moral foundation that was the strength of this country from its founding. Never mind that their political success threatens the foundation of a nation whose fundamental virtues make their own decadent lifestyles possible by its tolerance. Never mind that they have vastly overplayed their hand and it may well lead to their own undoing . . . and us along with them. I truly believe that they will be the victim of their sucess, and us along with them.
AS an eleven year old, a homosexual Boy Scout camp counselor tried to molest me. It was something I never forgot or talked about..until now. From that night on I slept with my sheath knife at hand. They were allowed then if you had your Toten Chip.
Later as a Asst Scout Master I encountered a homosexual event taking place between two older Scouts while younger Scouts were in their tent.
There is no place for homosexuals in the Scouting movement. Once known they must be expelled. Adults in the military can deal with the problem..children under our protection should not be forced to accept this behavior in private or public.
Recently watched an episode on ID Discovery about a scout master who was gay, married to a woman though, and had sex with multiple boys in his scout troop.
He would intimidate them into silence by taken them all out into the woods and forcing them to dig their own graves and them stand in them while warning them not to talk.
One of the boys mothers discovered them in bed on morning. The boy who was discovered told the gay scoutmaster who then essentially ordered the boy to kill his entire family which he did.
If the Scouts allow people such as this into their ranks, then they should be shut down.
No parent should send then child into harms way, doing so risks any number of lives considering what happened to this boy.
Maybe it is time for a new BSA. Church supported and sponsored. Forget Corp america..they have sold their souls to the Devil. The BSA could survive with just Churches as sponsors...they might loose a lot of the professional managers, but the organization would survive.
Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.
Or organizational elements can secede and coalesce around new but similar brands like ‘The United BSA’ or such.
Marshall McLuhan (”The Medium is the Message”) wrote in the last century a poignant observational anthropological report on primitive African tribal customs and social order. In one small enclave a new tribal chieftain was very abusive of his tribal members and not respecting their long-held customs. He woke up one morning to find the entire village abandoned. There was no one for him to rule over. The entire tribe had picked up while he was sleeping and moved to another region under a new chieftain.
The membership of the BSA should do the same.
Your letter sounds like you have already given up when the Board meeting isn’t until next week, 2/6. Let’s not give up the ship just yet...
The systematic attacks on the BSA by the morally corrupt feminists and sodomists over the last 40 years makes me ill. I consider myself fortunate to have participated as a young Scout in the late 50’s, when the leaders were decent, strong male role models. When the Girl Scouts start camping with male pedophiles, we’ll know that any hopes for a decent society is lost. Moral corruption like this makes a person with the future of the race at heart... despair.
Interesting thought but a significant stumbling block would likely be the fact the BSA holds a national Congressional charter that would likely be impossible to transfer or to get another one without bowing to the gay lobby.
What is the purpose of a ‘Congressional Charter’? What benefits derive from such a Charter?
Also, forgot to say in the last reply to you that McLuhan’s move the village option looks like it should be given close consideration in this circumstance.
I was in Cub Scouts for several years and the year I was to go into Boy Scouts my parents didn’t let me. I always thought maybe it was a money or time issue. I later learned it was a homosexual issue. They knew of several homosexuals that were in leadership positions in our area, both in the military as well, and they felt if the Scouts wouldn’t remove them then the danger was too much. Later as an adult I visited an old friend from that time and he confided that when he went to camp that first year one of those homos tried to molest him. His older brother learned of it and went and beat the sh*t out of the homo and that’s why his older brother had been arrested. I never knew why his brother got arrested back then. He was never charged with a crime but I remember his brother being raging mad about something. My friend dropped out of Scouts that summer and we never mentioned it again.