Skip to comments.Spanish secessionism makes first move: Catalonia is “a sovereign political and legal entity”
Posted on 02/01/2013 8:41:34 AM PST by JerseyanExile
Catalonia regional parliament has approved a declaration proclaiming the Catalan people a sovereign political and legal entity. The motion also calls for a referendum to be held to allow Catalans their say on independence.
The motion was passed by 85 votes to 41. The ruling Convergencia I Union coalition was backed by its parliamentary partner Esquerra Republicana (ERC), and the communist green coalition ICV.
The Partido Popular, most of the Catalan socialists (PSC) Party, and Ciutadans, a non-separatist platform, voted against.
The growing separatist movement in wealthy Catalonia - which has its own language - presents a major challenge for Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy as he fights to maintain Spanish unity and steer the country out of a deep economic and fiscal crisis. Rajoys government says it will fight on constitutional grounds any attempt to hold a referendum on secession from Spain. It is widely believed that if Catalonia holds a referendum, the Basque Country would follow, potentially breaking up Spain.
The declaration backs the right to self determination and states that all existing legal means will be utilized to effect democratic strengthening and the exercise of the right to decide in dialogue and negotiation with the Spanish state, the European institutions and the international community. The exact nature of the text had caused divisions in the Socialist ranks and among the upper echelons of the CiU coalition.
ERC leader Oriol Junqueras opened the debate on what he called a historic day.
Sovereignty implies, literally, that there is nothing that ranks higher than the democratic will of the people, Junqueras said. In response to the Socialists proposal for shared sovereignty with Spain, Junqueras noted: The right to decide cannot be shared with another legal entity. The right to decide is a matter of one, not two or three.
I’d be worried more about California secession.
Hispanics now are the largest group in California. When they also become the largest voting block, they will no longer need the Democrat party. They will set up their own and use the tools of democracy to take over the state.
Then it will be secession and the creation of Azltan, the newest state of Mexico.
Secession movements are on the move, this won’t be the last.
Worried that it will or won't happen?
Don't worry, JimRob. We'll dig a tunnel to sneak you and your family into Arizona.
Hey, then we won’t have to pay all of the bills that Obama is racking up!
If California became a part of Mexico all the mexicans would leave it and move to Nevada.
I was told on FR that secession in these modern times would never happen, especially in the US.
It's funny because it's true.
I hope this posting hangs around a bit so that FR’s with some knowledge of Spains internals can post some background on this. Maps Flangs captiols etc.
A lot of misguided Freepers could lean a lot from these words....Lincoln Coven take note.
Catalonia is Spanish for “Quebec.”
That Catalan is a strange language.;-)
“When in the course of human events...”
Lots o luck. Like California, Catalonia has the highest level of debt in the country. They’re just annoyed because the rest of Spain won’t pay for their years of insane social programs and separatist hype.
And they also have a huge number of Muslims, so if they do somehow manage to separate, they’ll probably end up Islamic in no time at all.
It would be most unfair, in that the Spanish government has heavily invested in Catalonia at least since the Spanish Civil War. I understand they were unhappy when the Franco government outlawed their language. But now all of that is history, and Catalonia is a wealthy region thanks to Madrid, at the expense of other provinces who just “paid the bill”. Same goes with the Basque Country. If they really want to be independent, they should repay what the Spanish government invested in them, with interest. Then they can go their merry way, if they so wish!
Witness the end result of the Welfare State. Once the state can no longer beg, borrow or tax to pay for its unsustainable benefits, the constituent parts of the state try to break off to avoid the liabilities built up by the Welfare State. No one wants to pay for the mess created by the Welfare State — its just gimme gimme gimme and then make someone else pay for it, or simply don’t pay for it.
Employment is very tough there, folks that have jobs are extremely grateful.
My company has a manufacturing plant there. Beautiful country.
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Spanish secessionism makes first move: Catalonia is a sovereign political and legal entity, RoosterRedux wrote:
That Catalan is a strange language.;-)
I’m asking for FR’s with some knowledge of Spain for a knowledgeable imput and the best you can come up with are some misspellings in the request.