Posted on 02/01/2013 10:56:33 AM PST by Perseverando
Last year, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security had purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition of various calibers for reasons that the agency refuses to reveal. On Wednesday, the DHS announced that it would acquire another 200,000 rounds from a company known as Evian Group, Inc.
The DHS put out a solicitation for the purchase on the FedBizOps.gov Web site on Dec. 17 for the agency’s Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, requesting .40 caliber hollow point rounds, Federal Ammunition of 1,000 rounds in 200 cases.
Not only is the reason for the agency’s stockpiling of nearly 2 billion rounds of ammo shrouded in mystery, but so too is the Evian Group. James Smith of Prepper Podcast did an investigation into the company and found some odd facts which he reported in an article on Thursday.
For one, “It seems that the Evian Group was formed on December 12, 2012, just 5 days before the announcement of the solicitation,” writes Smith.
The price that the agency paid for the rounds is suspect too, according to Smith.
“The contract for 200,000 rounds was $45,758, which boils down to about $0.21 per round. And to be quiet (sic) honest, that (is) a really good price. As in, unheard of good price.”
After comparing the prices for the rounds from Evian and other companies on two different Web sites, Smith found “that the price was less than half of what the other guys are charging.”
Also suspicious is the company’s address of 105 South Eastern Ave, Las Vegas, Nev. After searching Google Maps, Smith found that the building at the listed address doesn’t appear to be the kind of place that could produce that much ammunition and then
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That works out to 3 rds reserved for each U.S. citizen. Some margin for misses and extras if one in the head doesn't get the job done.
We can only wonder if this company is owned by yet another of Obongo’s”Bundlers”?????????????????
It’s more like 17-cents per-round.You can”roll your own”for about 7-cents.
Are you illnumerate? A billion is not a dozen more than a million. It is one thousand million.
The example you cited works out to 12.6 million rounds a year. Keep going and working through all the federal employees who must qualify each year. Let us see how many rounds that works out to. I’ll wager that it is not even a fraction of a billion.
One source lists the number of armed DHS emploees at pproximately 162,364. If they must qualify, that’s 100 million rounds a year. We have a 20 year supply at that rate, so what other consumers are there and about how much do they use?
see:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_armed_agents_does_the_department_of_homeland_security_have
I think these ammo purchases by the Feds....in all agencies....are raising alarm
And, since the GOP is going along with Open Borders and Illegal Alien Amnesty.....the DHS does not need as many rounds as before.
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“21 cents a round for 40 cal. hollow point ammo does not sound like a legit price.”
Actually, it is. I can produce it for $0.32 cents a round at near retail prices for FMJ 40 cal. I know what the wholesale prices are for the components and it is $0.18 cents a round, so they are producing that ammo for nearly cost.
Also, at just 200,000 total rounds, which is a small order, that would just be a test run. If the ammo is good I suspect there will be a very large order given later.
I recall reading an article here on a gov ammo purchase through the fake Evian company. I’m guessing this is the same purchase. Something’s not on the up and up. At first, I assumed hussein was either furnishing these to his special civil army or to our enemies. After the questions surrounding Sandy Hook and his push for gun control causing even more shortage above his gov purchases, well, it’s all connected. Long live the 2nd!
Primers alone are 3 cents each now. You can’t reload hard cast lead in 40 cal for 7 cents. 40 cal, 180 gr JHP’s are gonna run you 20 cents for just the bullet alone, not including powder and primers.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Math is a cruel mistress.
21000*(72+150)*4=18.6 million. Still not a billion. You were only off by 50%.
One source lists the number of armed DHS emploees at pproximately 162,364. If they must qualify, that’s 100 million rounds a yea
162,364*(72+150)*4= 144.1 million.
Of course, if you assume that the "150 practice rounds" is per year, not per quarter, the math works out different:
21000*(72*4+150)=9.2 million
162,364*(72*4+150)=71.1 million
How do we know they have 1.6 billion rounds? And if they did, isn't 200,000 rounds really in the noise here?
I've done a bit of research, from the web sites that make this claim. Occasionally they point to real documentation; but in some cases those are redacted, and have no numbers.
In another case, you find that the 450 million bullet order was over 5 years. That's less than 100 million a year, well within the range we just calculated for their need.
And it's a "maximum order", meaning that the actual procurement will be less -- this type of order merely ensures that the seller has the ability to meet the contract.
And it is both DHS and ICE. So it's more agents than we looked at.
In 2009, they awarded a contract for 200 million over 5 years. I can't find any info on how much they actually purchased.
Without going back over a 20-year history of bullet purchases by all government law enforcement agencies, I don't see how we can evaluate the current status and say it is different.
One thing that has changed is that DHS is doing a lot of drills with local and state LEO, and apparently as part of Obama's "feed our tax dollars to his buddies in liberal states" initiative, the feds have been supplying all the bullets.
The thing is, when you use ammo for practice and training you don’t use hallow point ammo. You use cheap ball ammo so you don’t waste money.
Hallow point is better as a defensive round than it is as a practice round. Yes it is wise to run some through your gun to make sure it feeds reliably but not to shoot as practice ammo.
Just saying.
“It sounds like a lot of ammo but they burn through it quickly”
This stuff is not for practice. DHS is ordering +P critical defense rounds. These are frangible rounds and not used for practice. They are not burning through it on the practice range. Its enough ammo to shoot every American at least 6 times.
Critical defense ammo is pretty much to kill people. Its too expensive to practice with, its hard on the weapon, its bad for the backstops on the ranges and it will give you a helluva flinch.
DHS is not telling anybody that they are using it for practice. They are not telling you anything. Be concerned.
LOL. I mean Hollow point, not hallow. My bullets are holy.
Actually, most police departments use hollow-points. They are less likely to ricochet, and less likely to over-penetrate. These are the same reasons most people use them for self-defense.
Has anybody ever considered that they are buying imaginary ammo with a paper trail indicating it was all used up on the range?
That’s a lot of money moving around with the opportunity for some kickback.
My observation is that it was said these are ‘hollow points’. Not your typical range ammunition. What is the stockpiling for then? Curious.
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That’s why we’ll need to take a few alive.
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