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DHS adds another 200,000 rounds to its 2 billion round stockpile
Examiner.com ^ | January 4, 2013 | Ryan Keller

Posted on 02/01/2013 10:56:33 AM PST by Perseverando

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To: bandleader
"Hollow-Point” ammunition is banned by The Geneva Conventions for use against ENEMY combatants...."

Not true. Please get your facts straight before posting on this forum.

The Hague Conventions addresses the types of weapons that can be used in civilized warfare, among other things.

The Geneva Conventions address how prisoners of war are to be treated, among other things. Neither convention address the types of weapons that can be used against terrorists.

41 posted on 02/01/2013 3:14:33 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: bereanway
"Must be some sort of a shell corporation."

It is. Was set up to get around the "Small Business Set Aside" requirement of the contract. They are a "Provider" not a "Manufacturer". This is one of the games played in the federal government acquisition process. Some contracts are set aside for woman or minority owned businesses.

42 posted on 02/01/2013 3:22:21 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: bandleader
Actually, it's the Hague conventions, and no, the US is not a signatory.

Doesn't cover "terrorists" anyway, which is what we are in our govt's eyes.

43 posted on 02/01/2013 3:34:15 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Perseverando
For one, “It seems that the Evian Group was formed on December 12, 2012, just 5 days before the announcement of the solicitation,” writes Smith.

The price that the agency paid for the rounds is suspect too, according to Smith.

“The contract for 200,000 rounds was $45,758, which boils down to about $0.21 per round. And to be quiet (sic) honest, that (is) a really good price. As in, unheard of good price.”


How does selling to the govt at a discount help?\

When I investigated the contracts they were for a small quantity with an OPTION for a larger purchase. My view was that this was a way to reduce availability at their discretion.

Is it possible that the contract was bid low for the initial purchase but at a higher price for optional purchases.

44 posted on 02/01/2013 3:35:41 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Lord save me from some conservatives, they don't understand human nature any better than liberals.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

This is exactly the exercise I was hoping someone would work through so we could get some perspective on the scope of ammo usage. But it remains a bit of a curiosity that nobody fairly far up in DHS hasn’t issued some type of internal document of the policy narrative. They sure are opaque for being the most transparent of any regime in history.


45 posted on 02/01/2013 4:20:48 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Perseverando

Had I had the picture I would have posted it. LOL!


46 posted on 02/01/2013 5:00:24 PM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: usurper

“This really is a non issue.”

Thanks for putting it into the proper perspective. However, this won’t stop some FR sheep from stampeding over the cliff, insisting that the forecasters at the National Weather Service will be shooting cop-killer bullets out their arses and making kills at 500 yards.


47 posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:56 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

We all feel something is happening. Things don’t add up. Remember last year when the the Social Security Administration bought millions and millions of bullets? More than their security guards could use in a few hundred years.

And flies in the White House? Do you know how flies are ‘grown? They ‘bloom’ in rotting flesh...


48 posted on 02/01/2013 7:15:38 PM PST by GOPJ ( Revelation can be more perilous than Revolution. Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: Perseverando

No worries they’re all for the Mexican border. More lies amd hopes and dreams to come. Now who are they really for?


49 posted on 02/01/2013 8:36:51 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Enough is ENOUGH

“A LEO recently told me that hollow points are not used in target practice because they are way too expensive for that.

Why did the DHS purchase 1.8 billion rounds of .40 cal hollow point rounds?”

That is EXACTLY the problem I have with these stories.
Yes, I understand the target practice and qualifying needs.
But hollow point?

My gut tells me that this is more disinfo to piss us off and make us look silly.
(Although I am prepared for otherwise ;-)


50 posted on 02/02/2013 3:28:32 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What if it IS over a period of ten years?

And see post #29, about “Evian” company.

There also was a link to an analysis and contract list, that showed the numbers.... lemme look and I will post the link to it.


51 posted on 02/02/2013 6:03:02 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Found the link, its in post #2 in this thread.


52 posted on 02/02/2013 6:06:57 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: LucyT; CharlesWayneCT

Also see #2, #10, #11 and the math done by CharlesWayneCT


53 posted on 02/02/2013 6:12:24 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Perseverando

Gee I can’t imagine what high ranking politico lives in Vegas and had some problems in saaaayy Searchlight,Nev. and barely got re-elcted back to the Senate as majority leader.
Maybe this is all a huge con just trying to elecit the reaponses from us that they are getting whle making a fat buck in the process.I wouldlike to see if any of this ammo even exists.


54 posted on 02/02/2013 6:39:39 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Maybe syrian rebels need a lot more ammo than we ever dreamed.Once again if it even exists.


55 posted on 02/02/2013 6:42:03 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: theBuckwheat

There is no Department of Human Resources in the US Gov’t:

http://www.usa.gov/directory/federal/index.shtml

There is a Department of Health and Human Services.

If the official document said DHS, it’s Homeland Security.


56 posted on 02/02/2013 6:47:10 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Someone better check if anyone connected to Harry Reid is involved.

And make sure the ammo actually exists and isn’t just “ghost bullets.”


57 posted on 02/02/2013 6:50:39 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: History Repeats
The thing is, when you use ammo for practice and training you don’t use hallow point ammo. You use cheap ball ammo so you don’t waste money.

Good God man...we are talking about the federal government here.

As you and others have pointed out +P is expensive and hard on the weapons over time. Years ago they did use cheep ammo for practice but that changed about 15 years ago. The thinking at the time was that if all you did was practice with light weight ammo your performance during a real shootout with high-power ammo could be significantly altered. At any rate that was the thinking at the time.

I retired two years ago and I can assure that they use the +P hollowpoints for practice. If you look at their purchases they don't buy anything else in 40 cal.

As for being hard on the weapons they have a replacement schedule, after so many years they simply replacement them.

None of this is cost effective but hey its the federal government did you really expect anything different.

58 posted on 02/03/2013 9:30:22 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Unfortunately,you are RIGHT!Thomas Jefferson said we needed a”Revolution”about every 20-years!!That means we are 216-years LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


59 posted on 02/05/2013 7:15:35 AM PST by bandleader
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