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Smokers To Be Slapped With Huge Penalties Under Obamacare That Will Cost You Thousands Of Dollars
http://princevega.com ^ | January 26, 2013 | RT

Posted on 02/01/2013 11:26:39 AM PST by BO Stinkss

Smokers, beware: tobacco penalties under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act could subject millions of smokers to fees costing thousands of dollars, making healthcare more expensive for them than Americans with other unhealthy habits.

The Affordable Care Act, which critics have also called “Obamacare”, could subject smokers to premiums that are 50 percent higher than usual, starting next Jan 1. Health insurers will be allowed to charge smokers penalties that overweight Americans or those with other health conditions would not be subjected to.

A 60-year-old smoker could pay penalties as high as $5,100, in addition to the premiums, the Associated Press reports. A 55-year-old smoker’s penalty could reach $4,250. The older a smoker is, the higher the penalty will be.

Nearly one in every five U.S. adults smokes, with a higher number of low-income people addicted to the unhealthy habit. Even though smokers are more likely to develop heart disease, cancer and lung problems and would therefore require more health care, the penalties might devastate those who need help the most – including retirees, older Americans, and low-income individuals.

“We don’t want to create barriers for people to get health care coverage,” California state Assemblyman Richard Pan told AP. “We want people who are smoking to get smoking cessation treatment.”

Nearly 450,000 US residents die of smoking-related diseases each year, making the unhealthy habit a serious concern for lawmakers. One legislator is trying to criminalize smoking in his state, while others have raised taxes on cigarettes and the Obama administration has tried to inflict hefty fines upon smokers’ premiums.

Karen Pollitz, a former consumer protection regular, told AP that no insurers want to provide coverage for Americans who have been smoking for decades, and that the penalties might prompt people to abandon the habit.

“You would have the flexibility to discourage them,” she told AP.

But quitting is not easy, and charging older smokers up to three times as much as younger ones could make it difficult for them to seek care in the first place. A 60-year-old smoker charged with the penalty could be paying about $8,411 per year for health insurance, which is about 24 percent of a $35,000 income and is considered “unaffordable” under federal law.

“The effect of the smoking (penalty) allowed under the law would be that lower-income smokers could not afford health insurance,” said Richard Curtis, president of the Institute for Health Policy Solutions.

Ultimately, the law that is meant to make health care more affordable could have the opposite effect on older smokers at a time when smoking-related illnesses usually arise.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: obamacare; smoking

Now that the government owns your healthcare, they can make you do what they want. You Smoke? Pay more! Overweight? Pay more! Drive an V8? Pay more! Own a gun? Pay more!

1 posted on 02/01/2013 11:26:48 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: BO Stinkss

“more expensive for them than Americans with other unhealthy habits.”

Like sodomy?

Are homos getting higher premiums?

I smoke and cigarettes never gave me AIDS or STDs.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 11:31:22 AM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: BO Stinkss

Smokers cost less in healthcare because they die sooner.


3 posted on 02/01/2013 11:34:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BO Stinkss
Health insurers will be allowed to charge smokers penalties that overweight Americans or those with other health conditions would not be subjected to.

I thought they were already charged higher premiums. How does this change things?

4 posted on 02/01/2013 11:38:55 AM PST by Ken H
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To: BO Stinkss

Vote Republican? PAY EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 02/01/2013 11:39:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: BO Stinkss

Make druggies, queers and other sodomites pay double or triple too.


6 posted on 02/01/2013 11:40:23 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: BO Stinkss

"You are all fools. WE do not care, because
WE do not LIVE UNDER the laws and taxes we pass for YOU.
"

7 posted on 02/01/2013 11:40:23 AM PST by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: BO Stinkss

I used to smoke, but I lost all my cigars in an unfortunate boating accident.


8 posted on 02/01/2013 11:41:18 AM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Salamander

So sad that we can’t tolerate all the deviants, but, the contemporary world is supposed to be more civilized than the world before the first century. Imagine that. Let’s not focus on the religion of homosexual behavior and think about science and infectious diseases. A study which analyzed tens of thousands of gay obituaries and compared them with AIDS deaths data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), has shown that the life expectancy for homosexuals is about twenty years shorter than that of the general public. The study, entitled “Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from AIDS”, has been published in Psychological Reports (2005;96:693-697). The actual life expectancy for a homosexual male with AIDS is 39 . . . without AIDS . . . 41.
For a smoker? Early to mid 60s. AND, smokers don’t infect other people.
And for the homosexual community to brag about their lifestyle and to shove it in our face instead of getting psychological help—well, it doesn’t make you the brightest bulb in the sack. When I see the “gays” giggling on the TV shows and mocking the normal people I just laugh and think they must have AIDS dementia.


9 posted on 02/01/2013 11:42:59 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: BO Stinkss

How much will hussein have to pay?


10 posted on 02/01/2013 11:44:05 AM PST by onedoug
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To: BO Stinkss

Too funny as this will effect mostly current Obama supporters.


11 posted on 02/01/2013 11:45:41 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: onedoug

Get with the program.
The pRes_ _ent and Congress and their staff
and mistresses and Islam are not under the penalties.


12 posted on 02/01/2013 11:45:46 AM PST by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: BO Stinkss

All Your Liberty Are Belong to Government


13 posted on 02/01/2013 11:49:48 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BO Stinkss

Smokers are already paying huge taxes for health care.


14 posted on 02/01/2013 11:50:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Salamander
If insurance rates were raised for gays in proportion to the costs they impose due to AIDS, they might be less excited about the "civil union" and "gay marriage" entree to healthcare coverage. My company extended coverage to that group and it jacked up rates for everyone in the company instead of the parties who raised the risk and demanded the services.

My mom smoked from age 20 (1948) until age 40 (1968) when both of my parents quit. Mom's heart began failing in 2010 with congestive heart failure episodes of increasing severity. The week before she passed, she had pain in her back. The doctor X-rayed her lungs to check for pneumonia vs the common "wet" lungs that come with edema from congestive heart failure. The doctor discovered cancer in both lungs. Her kidneys were down to 10% function from the diuretics used to treat the congestive heart failure. She was far too fragile to deal with the lung cancer. She declared in a perfectly clear fashion that she wanted a DNR on her medical chart and wanted to return to her assisted living arrangements. It was a very uncomfortable final few days for her.

As a postscript, Mom handed over the entire $3900/month of her social security plus another $1,000/month from her savings to stay in the assisted living facility from April 2011 to Nov 2011. The long term medical coverage that she and my dad paid $300/month over 30 years was declared "not eligible" because the facility didn't have an MD on site 24/7. The facilities that did have an MD 24/7 were full of shrieking wretches and odors that prompted an urge to vomit on many occasions. Check the terms and conditions of your coverage carefully.

15 posted on 02/01/2013 11:50:49 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Neoliberalnot

“The actual life expectancy for a homosexual male with AIDS is 39 . . . without AIDS . . . 41.”

Wow.

Neanderthals fared better.


16 posted on 02/01/2013 11:51:05 AM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: sgtyork

LMAO....


17 posted on 02/01/2013 11:52:00 AM PST by Gator113 (Leave my guns alone and REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS!!)
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To: BO Stinkss

First smokers. Then the overweight. All so that the government can take our money and pay for abortions, sex “change” operations, and AIDS treatment.


18 posted on 02/01/2013 11:53:03 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Salamander

I am not a smoker, but by these standards, gays need to be charged higher rates. A risky lifestyle is a risky lifestyle and deserves an increase. I also think that by the same token, obese people also need to be charged extra. We all know what lifestyles are unhealthy, we can’t just charge extra for the ones that are politically correct and expedient.


19 posted on 02/01/2013 11:53:56 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: BO Stinkss

There is NOTHING in your life that couldn’t fall under the rubrik of “affects the healthcare system”.

Of course, like a later poster said, this will exclude behavior choices like sodomy, etc.


20 posted on 02/01/2013 11:54:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: nobamanomore

“we can’t just charge extra for the ones that are politically correct and expedient.”

You misspelled “paraphilias protected by law”.


21 posted on 02/01/2013 11:56:38 AM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: BO Stinkss

Fascism.


22 posted on 02/01/2013 11:57:43 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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To: BO Stinkss
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I have a feeling that older smokers won't comply with Dear Leader's plan.

23 posted on 02/01/2013 12:00:07 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Myrddin

God rest her soul in glory. It is a hard thing to lose your mother. My mother never smoked tobacco in her life and she too died of lung cancer that metastasized to her skeleton. She was 80 when she passed and she refused chemo- and radiation therapy. She died at home. That was 15 years ago. Worst time of my life.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 12:02:36 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: nobamanomore
I am not a smoker, but by these standards, gays need to be charged higher rates.

The Sandra Flukes of the world should face a premium increase as well.

25 posted on 02/01/2013 12:02:43 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: BO Stinkss

“A 60-year-old smoker charged with the penalty could be paying about $8,411 per year for health insurance, which is about 24 percent of a $35,000 income and is considered “unaffordable” under federal law.”
Unaffordable? There’s living expenses too. May as well die if you’re going to be charged that much on 35k a year.


26 posted on 02/01/2013 12:10:21 PM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: BO Stinkss

Hey Obama, why don’t you just line us up and put a bullet in our collective brain pans?


27 posted on 02/01/2013 12:40:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rockinqsranch

I’ll bet a majority of der Fuehrer’s supporters will be deemed too poor and will not pay a dime, we’ll pay more to support them. Illegals will make up a large portion of that pile of excrement and we already know they won’t pay a dime either. For unions etc, additional exemptions will be given.


28 posted on 02/01/2013 1:03:34 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: BO Stinkss

Well they all followed Madame Pelosi who proclaimed that we’ll know what’s in it after we pass it. 20K for health insurance for a small family, 5k extra for smokers and fatties. The illiterate American voting public got exactly what it asked for.....4 more years of Bam.


29 posted on 02/01/2013 1:24:18 PM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: BO Stinkss

could subject smokers to premiums that are 50 percent higher than usual, starting next Jan 1. Health insurers will be allowed to charge smokers penalties that overweight Americans or those with other health conditions would not be subjected to.

Yet-—Don’t worry they will get around to fat people, people who ride motorcycles or go skiing, people who own guns.

Once they get started they will not know where to stop.


30 posted on 02/01/2013 1:37:01 PM PST by Venturer
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To: sgtyork
I used to smoke, but I lost all my cigars in an unfortunate boating accident.

That will teach you not to smoke and skeet shoot on a boat at the same time, dang you lost 2 hobbies that day.... :-)...

31 posted on 02/01/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: I want the USA back
First smokers. Then the overweight. All so that the government can take our money and pay for abortions, sex “change” operations, and AIDS treatment.

Ding Ding we have a winner...

32 posted on 02/01/2013 1:41:52 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Myrddin

So sorry to hear about your Mother’s last days Myrddin. Nothing I can say can change anything. But if I had that diagnosis, I would have rode the wave of least resistance. I almost died 18 months ago. Glad I chose to fight because I’m in my 50’s. Later? Forget it!
BUT I STILL DON’T WANT SOME “Figlio di Puttana” CHOOSING MY DESTINY FOR ME!


33 posted on 02/01/2013 1:57:38 PM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: BO Stinkss

“Health insurers will be allowed”

“Health insurers will be allowed”

“Health insurers will be allowed”

“Health insurers will be allowed”

I wonder what lobby is to rake it in, hammer and sickle?


34 posted on 02/01/2013 2:17:43 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: driftdiver

“Smokers cost less in healthcare because they die sooner.”

Some do,some don’t.

I’m 80 and my good friend is 79. We’ve been smokers for many,many years,and quite active for our age.

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35 posted on 02/01/2013 2:25:16 PM PST by Mears
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To: I want the USA back
"First smokers. Then the overweight"

Obomination obesity shouldn't be a problem outside of government because the common person won't be able to buy food due to high prices or rationing. Current obesity standards will have to be redefined.
36 posted on 02/01/2013 9:01:39 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: poobear

I stayed with her for months to give her as much opportunity to live in her home with pets as possible. A severe episode of congestive heart failure put her in the hospital, then rehab for 60 days. I cared for the house/pets in hopes that she could return home. A physical test of her ability to get up off the floor unassisted was the turning point. She could not do it. She went to assisted living. I took one of her dogs home to live with my family in Idaho. My sister euthanized the 19 year old Spitz. I moved to my current rental and visited mom a couple times a week after that. Except for her last couple weeks, her last months were pretty good. Lots of new friends. She made the best of her new situation.


37 posted on 02/02/2013 11:14:29 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: BO Stinkss
"We don't want to create barriers for people to get health care coverage", State Assemblyman Pan told AP, "We want people to get smoking-cessation treatment."

No matter the subject, notice the FascistSpeak every time these Brown Shirts open their mouths.

"WE don't want....."
"WE want....."
"We DON'T WANT....."
"We WANT....."
"Ve vant people to get thinking-cessation treatment....."

What about what WE THE PEOPLE want???

Are Obama's Storm Troopers now completely in charge of our lives through the poisonous, all-enveloping, all-smothering web of ObamaCare?

You'd better believe they are. It's happening NOW. You are reading it daily. The diktats are coming at us from all sides with rapid-fire assaults.

Leni

38 posted on 02/02/2013 12:56:48 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Myrddin

What a comfort for you to know that many of her last days were in fact good. Sounds like a woman I’d like to mirror myself after. Thank you for sharing. I won’t forget your kind words about your Mother. May God Bless You!
poobear


39 posted on 02/02/2013 1:10:02 PM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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