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Feds seized nearly 1,500 guns in raid
KRQE ^ | 31 Jan 2013 | Crystal Gutierrez Crystal Gutierrez

Posted on 02/01/2013 3:16:43 PM PST by ronnyquest

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - A federal search warrant affidavit outlines the massive raid that seized nearly 1,500 firearms from the home and business of an Albuquerque man and why the feds were after him.

Last week rifles lined the lawn of a northeast Albuquerque home that belonged to Robert Adams. Homeland Security Investigations was also busy loading hundreds of handguns into boxes.

It took federal agents days to log every weapon seized into evidence.

Four search warrants filed Thursday show the HSI investigators seized nearly 900 firearms from Adams' home. There were 548 handguns and 317 rifles listed in the warrant return inventory.

They also searched his office that day taking 599 pistols and revolvers.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; cw2; ffl; guncontrol; guns; lawlessdhs; secondamendment
Adams has not been charged with any crimes although Homeland Security said the investigation is not over yet.

Neighbors said Adams was a gun collector, and some heard he was a licensed gun seller, too.

This looks like a fishing expedition. That, or the feds were just doing some shopping.

1 posted on 02/01/2013 3:16:54 PM PST by ronnyquest
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To: ronnyquest

Coming to a city and town near you. Collectors first then .... and no charges, (yet). I’m sure they will find a paperwork error somewhere.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 3:20:40 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: ronnyquest

Feds have another 411,346,002 guns left to seize inside the US...


3 posted on 02/01/2013 3:21:51 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ronnyquest

“The search warrant also said Adams was investigated in Canada for keeping about 80 illegal guns in a storage unit. U.S. agents worked with Canadian police on that case.”

So this is probable cause....someone was investigated. So what. Was he charged? No. Another fishing expedition designed to thaward the 2nd amendment.


4 posted on 02/01/2013 3:25:31 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: ronnyquest
However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement.

This statement really bothers me.

5 posted on 02/01/2013 3:26:29 PM PST by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: Red Steel

Did King George order the raid?

This battle cry will be ‘The turn Coats are coming, the turn coats are coming!


6 posted on 02/01/2013 3:27:01 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: ronnyquest
However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement.

It just kills the feds that we don't have mandatory registration.

7 posted on 02/01/2013 3:27:33 PM PST by umgud
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To: ronnyquest

“Federal investigators confirm that. However, they’re also investigating him for possible gun smuggling, tax evasion and violating importation laws.”


8 posted on 02/01/2013 3:27:59 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: ronnyquest

A large volume licensed gun dealer and collector that’s been doing this for years... so what’s suspicious about this? Look what the feds collected in just a few months, without the correct paperwork I might add, in Milwaukee..


9 posted on 02/01/2013 3:28:07 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: ronnyquest
Court documents reveal federal agents were watching Adams for years and that some documentation was missing "to determine to whom Adams [was] selling or exporting his firearms."

We'll see.

And

However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement.

Marked? Registry? You mean no serial numbers? Hmmmm serial numbers for pre-1968 guns were not required or are they now.

10 posted on 02/01/2013 3:28:53 PM PST by Red Steel
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11 posted on 02/01/2013 3:29:50 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ronnyquest

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12 posted on 02/01/2013 3:36:07 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Never on my watch
"However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement."

"This statement really bothers me."

It bothers me a great deal, too, as it should bother everyone. I suspect this is the true issue at stake here. He had loads of perfectly legal firearms that were completely untraceable to law enforcement and that just burns them up. Adams is one of the most reputable and knowledgeable dealers in the Southwest. He has been doing this for years.

13 posted on 02/01/2013 3:37:01 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: ronnyquest

I read the comments under that article and this guy is a big time collector plus has a license to sell.

Believe this was done to warn us that the govn. can get your guns any time they want. Note they pulled in the IRS to “investigate” him.

Anyone who has a gun is subject to IRS investigation or give up your gun and IRS will go away. Expect that is the message here.


14 posted on 02/01/2013 3:45:05 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Red Steel

As far as I know, we are not required (yet) to track private sales. These were private sales, which just irritates the feds to no end.


15 posted on 02/01/2013 3:45:17 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: ronnyquest

It’s another manifestation of fedzilla’s “CREAT-A-CRIME” program.

If these b*****ds want someone badly enough, there’s a “crime” tailor-made for the situation.

“... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any
government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
......just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted — and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”
p.411,
Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957


16 posted on 02/01/2013 3:46:05 PM PST by Dick Bachert ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." T. Jefferson)
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To: ronnyquest
New Mexico again. After the case fell apart on them recently on another dealer, you would think they would learn.

This cannot be allowed to stand.

/johnny

17 posted on 02/01/2013 3:47:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ronnyquest
Adams is one of the most reputable and knowledgeable dealers in the Southwest. He has been doing this for years.

I think I know who this guys is, doesn't he mainly sell totally legal pre 1898 guns?

18 posted on 02/01/2013 3:50:58 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: ronnyquest

I want to know who said anything? Will the feds be fishing all over the country?


19 posted on 02/01/2013 3:51:00 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: ronnyquest

A surprisingly large number of people think owning a lot of guns is a crime. I am sure most of the Feds think it should be.


20 posted on 02/01/2013 4:01:40 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: ronnyquest
Feds seize 1500 guns? I am sure the drug cartels are salivating...
21 posted on 02/01/2013 4:08:00 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

This appears to be his website.

http://www.adamsguns.com/

Looks pretty out in the open, he is an antique gun collector/dealer.


22 posted on 02/01/2013 4:10:17 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: ronnyquest
Probably the last he'll ever see of them.


23 posted on 02/01/2013 4:13:56 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I think he is toast. Tax evasion. The IRS code is impossible to comply with so we nearly all qualify as unconvicted felons. That is the beauty of the code. It gives government unlimited powers through confusion.


24 posted on 02/01/2013 4:16:37 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: TheRhinelander

I think he is toast. Tax evasion. The IRS code is impossible to comply with so we nearly all qualify as unconvicted felons. That is the beauty of the code. It gives government unlimited powers through confusion.


25 posted on 02/01/2013 4:16:54 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: ronnyquest
People collect all kinds of things...

It's nobody's business but their own.

26 posted on 02/01/2013 4:24:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: VRWCarea51
“This battle cry will be ‘The turn Coats are coming, the turn coats are coming!”

Great line - better expect massive plagiarism as it goes viral.

27 posted on 02/01/2013 4:27:09 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

If his guns are legal and the charges are unrelated he *should* get his firearms back but it’s going to take a lot of legal hassle and $. Also depends what state this was in, I don’t recall.


28 posted on 02/01/2013 4:27:36 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

The same IRS that will enforce Obama care - me thinks it is the gestapo for Obama’s new world order.


29 posted on 02/01/2013 4:27:52 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: BenLurkin
It's nobody's business but their own.

Until you attract the attention of "Law Enforcement".

30 posted on 02/01/2013 4:33:16 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ronnyquest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sWiZ8BizI


31 posted on 02/01/2013 4:39:40 PM PST by Gator113 (Leave my guns alone and REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS!!)
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To: huldah1776
Will the feds be fishing all over the country?

Just wait, they will have a "Report Your Neighbor" program.

Pitting neighbor against neighbor. It's a socialists wet dream.

32 posted on 02/01/2013 4:39:50 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Never on my watch

Why? Pre ‘68 lots of guns, especially cheaper guns, had no serial #s.


33 posted on 02/01/2013 4:39:53 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

I have a problem with law enforcement going after this guy BECAUSE he had guns with no serial numbers, not because the guns didn’t have any.


34 posted on 02/01/2013 4:49:33 PM PST by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: Texas Fossil
If that's his site, which it appears to be, I hope the confiscators got all those gun books he's selling too. They have pictures of guns in them.

The bass turds.

35 posted on 02/01/2013 4:53:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: ronnyquest

Lemme guess. He’ll never be charged, it’ll take years to get only part of his collection returned and the most valuable guns will be scratched and scarred or just plain missing, maybe in some BATFags personal collection.


36 posted on 02/01/2013 4:54:13 PM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: ronnyquest
Federal investigators confirm that. However, they're also investigating him for possible gun smuggling, tax evasion and violating importation laws.

Smuggling guns into the U.S.?

That is definitely contrary to the 0bama policy. Taking good guns away from Mexican drug cartels.

37 posted on 02/01/2013 5:01:50 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ronnyquest
Maybe the States should start passing laws criminalizing federal fishing expeditions at legal firearms dealers and collectors.


38 posted on 02/01/2013 5:16:29 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Red Steel
Feds have another 411,346,002 guns left to seize inside the US...

Turn dat frown de udder way 'roun, mon. :-)

While Fedzilla may have confiscated 900 firearms there, according to recent sales figures we can figure that on average Americans bought about 78,333 firearms today.

Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies

39 posted on 02/01/2013 5:18:56 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ronnyquest

One neighbor who did not want to be identified said it was a shock.

“I didn’t really see the guns but from a distance,” the neighbor said. “I saw them pulling them out into the front yard.

“Its very scary in the fact that the school is so close by makes it seem even more dangerous.”

Years ago I was working in a bank in Alexandria, Virginia (home of many a liberal) when we were robbed. No gun was shown, only a note was passed. Customers were unaware anything had happened until we locked the door, asked everyone not to touch anything, and please remain until the FBI arrived to conduct their review. One woman immediately became panicky, almost fainted, and said: “Oh my God. They could have had a gun!” Amazing how just the thought of a gun can drive liberals into unrealistic emotional rants - kind of like the NY legislature.


40 posted on 02/01/2013 5:20:04 PM PST by Boomer One
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To: Never on my watch

Gotchya


41 posted on 02/01/2013 5:38:22 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ronnyquest

This bothers me too.

They don’t indicate which weapons were in this condition.
Antiques and “curios” in many cases had NO serial numbering and are NOT subject any kind of registration.

“Curios” include one of a kind and other back yard manufactured knock offs that were routine in the 18th to the late 19th C and NOT illegal.

How many Pennsylvania or Kentucky rifles have an SN? Sometimes older pieces are so holster worn, any ID that might have been there, is long gone.

Yes I know modern tech can plumb the depth of modern metal and find an SN that has been ground off. But if the piece is pre 20th C you are not going to have that high quality metal.

What brings me to this is how the media and LEO mislead and scare the genpop.

Example; I always read the screaming headlines: “HE HAD HANDGRENADES!” And just about everyone on this board knows that they probably were just those fakey paper weights that pimply faced kids buy at gun shows and love to put on their dressers to scare mom. But the headline is pushed and shoved as “really for real!” Knowing full well the genpop has no clue.

The propaganda is thick and VERY DEEP! And lies, all lies, big lies, bold lies, is how the commie pigs intend to push their deranged agenda. You can take that to the bank.

Bottom line, I’ll bet my last dollar that these so called “unmarked’ weapons are nothing more than antiques and curios. The fedgov knows that the MSM is dumber than a box of rox and completely in bed with the tyrant. Why bother to tell them the truth?

I know commie pigs, I know them inside out. They are real, they are deadly.


42 posted on 02/01/2013 5:40:04 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ronnyquest

i guess fedgov wanted some free guns. to go along with the hundreds of millions of rounds it’s buying.


43 posted on 02/01/2013 5:45:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Dick Bachert

You show me the man, I’ll show you the crime. —Stalin


44 posted on 02/01/2013 6:02:39 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Never on my watch

No serial numbers on some of Adam’s gun collection may be due to the fact he collected older and antique firearms. The .22 bolt action rifle my dad gave me as a kid in the late 1950s has no serial number as these were not required on .22 rifles and some shotguns back then. Will the feds call me a felon when they grab mine? Yes, as the agenda is to make all firearms illegal for we civilians.


45 posted on 02/01/2013 6:03:57 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: TheRhinelander
If his guns are legal and the charges are unrelated he *should* get his firearms back...

Unless he gets convicted of a felony.

46 posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:06 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: RicocheT

My model 67 Winchester .22 was bought new in 1940 and has no SN and it wasn’t required unless the firearm was manufactured for export.


47 posted on 02/01/2013 6:52:48 PM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: unixfox

They do: see something, say something.


48 posted on 02/01/2013 8:58:15 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

The anti-gun, anti-freedom propaganda machine is in full swing. Marxists know that most people, rational people, abhor their policies and they must disarm the people, the producers, before their nefarious schemes can be implemented. Marxism is a disease and must be treated as such. It must be excised like the cancer it is. Marxists (leftists, so-called liberals) have diseased minds.


49 posted on 02/02/2013 12:00:21 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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