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Postal Service says itís immune from local traffic laws
Yahoo News ^ | 1 February 2013 | Jason Sickles

Posted on 02/02/2013 5:32:08 AM PST by Erik Latranyi

A government lawyer’s attempt to get dismissed nearly $700 in traffic tickets given to the U.S. Postal Service is being met with a hearty and humorous, Heck no.

In a Jan. 22 letter sent to both the city of East Cleveland, Ohio, and the company that operates the city's photo-enforcement program, Postal Service attorney Jennifer S. Breslin says two school-zone speeding citations and five red-light infractions by postal trucks in December should be ignored.

“In providing mail service across the country, the Postal Service attempts to work within local and state laws and regulations, when feasible,” wrote Breslin, after reminding “To Whom It May Concern” that postal workers promptly deliver over 200 billion pieces of mail annually.

“However, as you are probably aware, the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation,” she continued.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: postoffice; states; traffic
Another example of federalism over states' rights.
1 posted on 02/02/2013 5:32:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Postal trucks ignore weigh stations on the highway.


2 posted on 02/02/2013 5:35:12 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Erik Latranyi

I guess I missed that ennumerated duty in the Constitution.


3 posted on 02/02/2013 5:44:11 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: SeeSharp
Postal trucks ignore weigh stations on the highway.

I have not witnessed that, but I know the contracted trucking companies must comply and pull into weigh stations.

4 posted on 02/02/2013 5:45:52 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Postal employees are, for the most part, incompetent, indignant and feel they’re above the law. They don’t get fired or even fussed at for their idiocy.

We often don’t get bills, cards with cash are stolen/missing. We call the post office and get no response. They’re all thieves.


5 posted on 02/02/2013 5:47:19 AM PST by albie
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To: SeeSharp
They don't 'ignore' them, they have pass throughs .. a holdover from the "Neither rain, nor snow nor storm of night" pony express days.

Just because the Postal Service is fairly passe' these days and on life support, like an elderly family member with few days left ... give some respect to the service they've done in the past.

Their days are few.

6 posted on 02/02/2013 5:49:33 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Aww, did a camera company get their feelings hurt that they’re not able to bleed someone else dry? Of course, I’m too used to hearing stories about how a ticket like this has a $100 fine, plus $500 in additional fees and penalties, so to begin with, I’m doubtful that this is only over $700.

On this battle, I’d have to agree with the USPS; they do enjoy immunity from local regulation. If there had been a cop behind that vehicle and it was pulled over and the driver cited for speeding or a red light violation, that would be one thing. But this is like writing a parking ticket against a USPS vehicle - it’s going to go into the trash can.

Then again, perhaps I’m just expressing bias against the whole concept of photo enforcement.


7 posted on 02/02/2013 5:59:02 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

On parking tickets, it use to be my rule of thumb to ignore them if in a different state but what many localities are doing is going to collection agencies. A different type of club since they cannot suspend your vehicle registration or deny it. Unfortunately cannot do it with the USPS.


8 posted on 02/02/2013 6:04:21 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: albie
Administrator, may i use the term idiot?

Waits a few moments ~ well, no answer ~ so, let me say this about that, I knew a postal employee who was fired for a $1.25 taxi fare for a personal trip on a business visit ~ which is prohibited.

I've known of window clerks who came up short as little as 60 cents in their cash drawer who were FIRED ~ and with the full approval and support of the entire workforce.

In USPS you get fired for theft however small. You can lose your wallet on the workroom floor and come back a month later and it'll be where you dropped it, untouched, unmolested every bill intact.

You can do that in Saudi Arabia as well ~ but here you can do that ONLY in the post office.

Not that you are telling a lie about getting your mail stolen, but you are!

9 posted on 02/02/2013 6:08:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: CORedneck
A classic problem is the weights and measures guy in the state government who tries to force the post office to let him certify their scales.

Does not happen ~ over the years I've heard of a number of these guys getting belligerant and then finding themselves in a jail cell.

You enter the door you are in a federal jurisdiction. You drive on a road with postal delivery service, or federal funding, you're on a post road. Sure, they let you have your own state laws, but they can actually place their own requirements on those post roads ~ e.g. how far from the curb to put your mailbox, how high it's got to be, etc. It's subtle, but it exists ~ they also define 'gate' ~

10 posted on 02/02/2013 6:11:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Erik Latranyi

Oh great, now ‘going postal’ gets diplomatic immunity.


11 posted on 02/02/2013 6:15:25 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

afaik, as it was ezplained ot me manyyears ago, the mail hasa bsolute immunity from traffic laws. this apparently dates back forever as mail is considered a priority. right or wrong.


12 posted on 02/02/2013 6:18:06 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Erik Latranyi

13 posted on 02/02/2013 6:18:50 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: muawiyah
Not that you are telling a lie about getting your mail stolen, but you are!

I don't know what planet your from but postmen get arrested and prosecuted all the time for theft of mail. Admittingly it is a tiny % of the total force but it is a on going problem. If you doubt this just google Postmaster arrested to learn that the problem starts at the top!!!

14 posted on 02/02/2013 6:27:59 AM PST by ontap
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To: muawiyah
"Not that you are telling a lie about getting your mail stolen, but you are!"

US postman steals over 2,000 games

Postal worker confesses to stealing $40,000 worth of valuables in mail

Any questions?

15 posted on 02/02/2013 6:28:30 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: albie
Simple solution to your problem. Take down your mail box, and don't mail anything.
16 posted on 02/02/2013 6:57:48 AM PST by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: muawiyah
Paranoia about PI entrapment would cause a major theatrical production on the work room floor if a penny or a stamp were found on the floor. Holding it up high overheard for the PI to see, and announcing loudly that you were taking it directly to a supervisor.

I saw forgotten purses, (never mine, as I couldn't find one to match my boots,) left on sorting cases for days without anyone taking the chance on it not being a plant.

17 posted on 02/02/2013 7:13:44 AM PST by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

For people who speed and run red lights, you would think it wouldn’t take them 5 days to deliver a letter across town.


18 posted on 02/02/2013 7:27:21 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ASA Vet
years back I was out with a PI looking at a proposed SPR operation ~ using some new method or whatever, and we were interested in how well it would do and the Inspectors wanted to know what the critical angles of observation (for them) might be under operations.

So we were standing there watching and a parcel came through with brandnew uncanceled V stamps worth, at that time, probably lebenteengazillion bucks since it was most of a roll ~ and they were virtually unknown on the open markets.

We both had a good laugh about it because it meant some other inspector, probably a local guy, didn't understand what we were doing there watching a mail line and tested us.

We let his bait get canceled!

19 posted on 02/02/2013 7:33:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Your story reminded me of
Ray Stevens - Smith & Jones.
20 posted on 02/02/2013 7:50:00 AM PST by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: albie

I think our little post office must be, if not a rarity, somewhat unusual. I live in a little rural village in Virginia, and I know the PO employees. They’re all white conservatives, and very hardworking. Mail volume might be down, but this area is growing fast (too fast if you ask me), and the carriers have plenty of work to do....there’s no time for goldbricking.


21 posted on 02/02/2013 7:52:28 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: muawiyah


22 posted on 02/02/2013 7:58:26 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Stamped mail receptacle, metered mail receptacle, relay box.


23 posted on 02/02/2013 8:07:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

24 posted on 02/02/2013 8:11:41 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: muawiyah
Most shocking thing I ever found in a collection box.

3 foot live snake.

It was a harmless species. I didn't see the kids who put it there, but they were likely watching.

25 posted on 02/02/2013 8:14:16 AM PST by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: kingu

Ha! If I had to deliver mail in East Cleveland, I wouldn’t stop at stop sign either! And,,, I’d be heavily armed at all times! A “city” to be avoided!


26 posted on 02/02/2013 8:30:03 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: muawiyah

The following is just a small sample of the available news on this topic:

Feds: Berwyn Mailman Stole Charity Donations
By Casey Cora, August 16, 2012
Former mail carrier swiped nearly $275,00 worth of donations mailed to a local charity, authorities say.
http://oakpark.patch.com/articles/berywn-mail-fraud-charity-donations-stolen

Feds bust Sacramento mail carrier in stolen drugs probe
Published on Mar 10, 2012
SACRAMENTO - A postal worker suspected of stealing prescription drugs from Sacramento military veterans has been arrested following a year-long investigation.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP5LH_L14p0

Stolen postal packages
Published on Jul 25, 2012
Police believe postal carrier stole express mail packages containing narcotics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh1pRkSvNfY

The mailman stole my newspaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPVHH42sIK0

Bothell mailman stole gift cards, gets probation
By VANESSA HO, SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF
Updated 12:38 pm, Tuesday, June 14, 2011
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Bothell-mailman-stole-gift-cards-gets-probation-1423747.php

Mailman Accussed Of Stealing From Route
Uploaded on Jul 18, 2009
Mailman accused of taking giftcards from people on his route
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3oV4oELfp0

Mailman steals money from mailboxes .
Published on Jun 19, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM9sSIG-ddQ

May 13, 2009
Mailman Stole Stamps for Mortgage
http://www.courtnewsreport.com/archives/008778.html


27 posted on 02/02/2013 8:30:30 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’m pretty sure they are immune! Next time you see a mail truck try to find the license. They don’t have one.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 9:16:08 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: WhiskeyX
320,000,000 people in this country and 200,000,000,000 pieces of mail ~ with 500,000 (or fewer) postal workers and there are going to be some stories but USPS has a worldwide reputation or mail integrity.

Let you in on a little secret EVERY INTELLIGENCE agency on the planet gets their mail delivered here from any and all sources. They go to substantial expense to do that ~

29 posted on 02/02/2013 11:03:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: New Jersey Realist
All postal vehicles have a license plate or two. It's required. However, they issue their own plates and their own numbers. They do not use state plates except special circumstances ~ like running about in South Philly or Wise County Virginia ~ and some places in North Carolina ~ you wouldn't want to give yourself away with a gub'mnt plate.

Look for the inspection sticker ~ it ain't there either.

Department of Defense doesn't hang plates on tanks either.

30 posted on 02/02/2013 11:07:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

All I see on NJ postal vehicles is a number - no NJ state plate.


31 posted on 02/02/2013 12:28:19 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist
postal vehicles do not use state plates. there is a us gub'mnt plate, and there have been just po plates ~

USPS owns delivery vehicles, 5 ton trucks, VTRs, seized vehicles, plain old passenger cars and other vehicles of all types ~ i've used a non federal state plate on a vehicle where it was important it not be identified as a government car ~ lest a postal employee be misidentified as a 'revenooer' and get shot at!

For all you guys out there who think Washington actually put down the Whiskey Rebellion, you are wrong ~ he simply started a war neither he nor any other President could ever win. it's still on

32 posted on 02/02/2013 1:40:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: New Jersey Realist

they also stencil numbers on vehicles ~ particularly if they don’t have plates. those plates last forever though so there’s no sense not using them if you’ve got them.


33 posted on 02/02/2013 1:42:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You are both engaging in hyperbole. USPS does lose a lot of mail with misdeliveries, and the USPS has thieves working for it as the links prove. USPS also has a great many honest and hardworking employees. It’s true a lost wallet is safe in the post office. Family and friends working at the post office talk about these things quite often. One of the family lost his wallet with $700 in it when it somehow fell into a batch of mail. The USPS workers at the sort facility found and returned it. Nonetheless, crooked postmasters and letter carriers were fired for major crimes, as the $250,000 theft of charity monies demonstrates.

The reputation of the USPS is not in trouble so much by the few felons who have worked for it as it is the spectacularly incompetent management. Ever since the management and supervisors began to be paid better compensation and bonuses for so-called improvements in productivity reports and annual projections, the work environment became extremely toxic and the true productivity has plummeted. The USPS had wasted vast sums of monies on automation, and the automation was incompetently planned and implented. The end result has been ever increasing costs for postage, ever decreasing mail volumes due to higher postage and technological alternatives, massive misdeliveries of mailpieces due to improper sorting by misused automation methods, managerial gaming of the bonuses through abuse of the labor force, and sheer arrogance and stupidity against workers and postal customers. The U.S. Post Office more than a century ago with the technologies of its day picked up and delivered mail up to six times per day. Now the USPS is not competent emough to deliver mail a thousand feet away from its own front doors in 3 to 5 days.

One of the great jokes is how the U.S. Post Office misdelivered an entire post office. A new post office was to be built in Frankfort, Kentucky. It was one of those post offices designed to be a landmark built in beautiful marble. Unfortunately, the U.S. Post Office misdelivered the marble construction materials for the Frankfort, Kentucky Post Office to West Frankfort, Illinois instead. To remedy the problem and avoid shipping two marble post offices to West Frankfort, Illinois, the U.S. Post Office shipped the marble construction materials designed for the new West Frankfort, Illinois to Frankfort, Kentucky. Ever since I heard that story from the U.S. Post Office managemen, I always have to smile when someone gets defensive about whether or not the USPS misdelivers mail.

There are a great many great people who exercise the patience of saints while dealing with an increasingly dysfunctional USPS management. They deserve much better, and many of these folks are heroes. Unfortunately for your desire to defend their reputations, thre are a few hieves, some poor excuses for postal workers, and too many supervisory and management people who are grossly incompetent, lacking in commonsense, and lacking in common decency. This problem was recently highlighted in a news story about a USPS letter carrier who stepped over the body of a customer onhis front porch to deliver the mail in the mailbox beside the front door. The customer had suffered a medical emergency the night before and collapsed unconcious on the steps at his front door while trying to get help. The man was still alive the next day when the letter carrier stepped over him without bothering to help or reporting the emergency. If the letter carrier had used commonsense and common decency, the paramedics could have saved his life.

The USPS has some very great people working for it, but they cannot do their jobs properly because their management cannot handle the responsibilities.


34 posted on 02/02/2013 9:36:44 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: Erik Latranyi

Bump


35 posted on 02/02/2013 10:16:39 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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