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Time to Evolve from Evolution (Saturbray)
www.brayincandy.com ^ | 2/2/13 | bray

Posted on 02/02/2013 9:30:30 AM PST by bray

Be careful, however, that the exercise of your Freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 1 Cor 8:9

What if everything about evolution is a lie? This would mean everything built on the theory of evolution is a fraud too. One of the primary gaps evolutionists never want to discuss is where life began? They have two primary theories, it either randomly developed from the primordial soup of came from another universe on an asteroid. Neither of these theories is believable yet the entire theory of evolution is built on them even though the odds are around one in infinity.

There is a huge void in scientific explanation how life and evolution started so most scientists dismiss it as not important or in any need of explanation or proof. They say there was a Big Bang when nothing became something and then exploded into an explosion creating the universe according to all of their infallible models. After billions and billions of years, life magically, oops, scientifically appeared to begin the evolutionary chain. The only explanation the Darwinists have for life beginning is time rather than God. For evolutionists God is to be mocked while billions and billions of years is a serious explanation.

If you ask an evolutionist how life began they will immediately tell you that how life began is not a part of evolution. If you continue to ax the question they will either call you all types of names the worst of which is Christian or explain how only scientists understand how life began. It usually comes down to their ability to intimidate and bully people and even fellow scientists into backing down from the obvious black hole of life’s beginning. They will usually begin their virtual firing squad for anyone daring to question the beginning of life as subhuman and not part of academia’s Holy of Holies.

Their primary explanation is the primordial soup explanation. After the Big Bang and the earth formed with millions of years of volcanoes and flowing lava when the hydrogen and oxygen combined to form water and the cooling began. Randomly the earth just happened to circle the sun at exactly the right orbit and rotation to make the water the perfect temperature for life. Then a few million years ago the chemicals randomly formed amino acids turning into some type of primitive bacteria and billions of years later that bacteria is making laptops.

The problem with this theory is how complex that random event had to be. As scientists become more and more familiar with amino acids and DNA they are finding it is far more complex than they ever knew it was. The genetic codes are still ninety eight percent unexplained as they find more and more unexplainable pieces of the complexity it points less and less to a random act. They were dismissing the unexplained parts as Junk DNA pieces since they have only been able to identify less than 2% of DNA code and invented the term junk for the rest. This should be insulting to their intelligence and certainly to ours. As they get deeper and deeper into the DNA code they are finding that there is no junk in the code and more complexity making the randomness even less possible. Simply Google junk DNA and find out the lies are being exposed by those brave enough to question science. It would take trillions and trillions of years for a DNA helix to form randomly not simply billions. http://www.psrast.org/junkdna.htm

Their second explanation which is not as universally accepted but basically a fallback theory is the amino acids and life source came from space. This was developed when they realized their primordial soup explanation really didn’t hold water. So they developed the asteroid explanation that a life seed came from a distant solar system billions of light years away and fell to the earth at just the right time and apparently into the ocean after it survived the billion year trip in a vacuum and thousand degree temps during entry into our atmosphere. The obvious questions are where did it come from and is the solar system it came from more or less superior than ours. It is ok to believe there are life forms on other planets but it is not ok to believe there is a God.

Simply because a scientist says over billions of years and billions of chances can make something happen does not make it so. This is only a theory but one that really does not withstand the smell test when you think about it. Fortunately for evolution, scientists generally refuse to question any of their theories and rely on consensus to verify and vilify their earth sized holes in their theories. They have had to fight for this theory so completely and ignore so many craters it has become more of a magic show than science. They use smoke and mirrors to keep people from asking the important questions or demanding an explanation of why those odds are looking more like infinity to one than the truth.

Imagine if scientists spent as much time, energy and money trying to find out if God is real than trying to disprove God. Science has become a religion based on an atheistic belief that we began as nothing and when we die we go back to nothing. It is a religion that places all of its faith in evolution with no explanation of how life arrived but when it came, random chance and mutations has got us to the point man can think, read and write. They have replaced God with billions and billions of years so time is the miracle of our creation. What is the difference between their faith in billions of years and faith in God?

Evolution became the first agenda driven junk science of the modern world. Science is basically following a 19th century idea which if they were true scientists would have been disproved millions of times over but the politics won’t allow it. They need to have people turn from God to force their hope and trust in the gummit. They need the people to believe gummit is their god where all of their hope exists.

If people would put their faith and hope in God they would not need the gummit and most of its controls. If people were saved by Jesus Christ and believed he is where all hope exists there would be a heaven beyond this earth, something the Darwinists can’t offer. If there is a heaven and hell and Jesus saves us sinners from that torture we deserve then we wouldn’t need gummit to regulate our lives as we would simply follow the rules set in the Bible. This is the communists’ greatest fear that people would be free to live their lives as they wish without their absolute control.

Imagine if science were to investigate the marvel of God’s creation and how it so miraculously relates together rather than attempting to use his design as proof there is no God? Science could actually be a positive to most lives rather than its need to be god and repeatedly use its power to control our lives with all of their junk science decrees. You can see all the failures of science everywhere you look so why do we continue to believe evolution with all of its massive gaps? It is time to evolve from evolution.

Pray for America


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1 posted on 02/02/2013 9:30:39 AM PST by bray
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To: bray

“After the Big Bang...”

Stopped reading right there, as they like to say ;-)

They argue effect without a cause. They continually suspend the laws of physics and expect everyone to suspend their disbelief. Something does not come from nothing. Either that little dot the size of a period at the end of s sentence created itself or it was placed there and it then exploded and became the universe.

Darwin,Marx,Nietzsche,Heidegger,Eliot,Satre,Camus.All these ragamuffins chose the godless universe as their starting point,their Master Premise.Their theology.Freud the atheist blathered on about the two revolutions and Russell yet a third..The anthropic principle and ID has reversed these now antiquated ancient beliefs.


2 posted on 02/02/2013 9:46:15 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: bray
Again? This time I couldn't make it through the first paragraph without encountering a fundamental problem. The Theory of Evolution DOES NOT address abiogenesis. Period. If you are going to attempt to criticize, please do so from the perspective of understanding, not ignorance.
3 posted on 02/02/2013 9:58:43 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

The evolution stormtroopers are here to shut down any discussion of their religion. This thug tactic has only been used for 150 years so get lost.

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4 posted on 02/02/2013 10:07:44 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: bray
Evolution is how you get from point A to point B. It cannot explain how you got to point A.

Evolution is scientific and genesis is religious. They are not mutually exclusive. Humans with our limited capabilities have been able to understand the process of evolution. The beginning is beyond our understanding right now. What we should understand is that the incomprehensible force that created such a perfectly ordered universe was not a random one.

5 posted on 02/02/2013 10:10:10 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Exactly, it all part of their atheist religion which they protect fundamentally. It is time to reject all of their lies and make them prove their claims.

There is nothing and then something so massive it contains the entire universe causing an explosion from nothingness. They can believe all that but not God?


6 posted on 02/02/2013 10:12:17 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: oldbrowser

The “theory of Evolution” doesn’t even qualify as a scientific theory.

A theory needs to be:

Observable

Testable

Falsifiable

Evolutionists have never SEEN one species become another. We all see wildly different dogs, through selective breeding but they are still dogs. We have seen anti-biotic resistant bacteria, still bacteria. Which is actually a loss of information not a gain. It would be equivalent to “hand-cuff” resistant people because they have no arms. Evolutionist use the fossil record to draw lines between phyla and it’s the lines that are their proof.


7 posted on 02/02/2013 10:28:48 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: bray

Evolution teaches that human life evolved first in Africa. The evolution story says that humans migrated from Africa north to Europe and east to Asia. If humans evolved first in Africa, then why aren’t the present inhabitants of Africa more advanced intellectually than Europeans and Asians? Wouldn’t that be logical?


8 posted on 02/02/2013 10:34:53 AM PST by abclily
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To: bray

Ecclesiastes 1:2


9 posted on 02/02/2013 10:42:13 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: abclily

I would suggest you do not use that line of argument.

Social evolution among those in the “environment” of Europe, both social and natural, would allow for a more intelligent race to survive. The social pressures among those in Africa allowed them to survive without intellectual advancement.

This is if you accept a biological difference between these respective races. It is something I do not accept.

This type of difference was thought to be true, and was the basis for the Eugenics movement. A movement that had at it’s roots, the evolutionary belief.


10 posted on 02/02/2013 10:46:03 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: bray

Evolution is a scientifically proven FACT. Just like Global Warming.

Anyone who says otherwise is a heretic.


11 posted on 02/02/2013 10:46:26 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Preach it Brother!


12 posted on 02/02/2013 10:49:27 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
"Evolution is a scientifically proven FACT. Just like Global Warming."

Irony . . . yes?

13 posted on 02/02/2013 10:51:49 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: bray

So The Flintstones was right? Humans really did ride on the backs of dinosaurs, just like Fred Flinstone did?


14 posted on 02/02/2013 10:53:42 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: bray
I'm all for discussion, but there probably hasn't been a topic in science that has undergone the degree of scientific scrutiny that the ToE has. It has withstood evaluation and attack for 150 years. Do you honestly think that with your limited understanding of biology you could possibly offer anything other than a bunch of rehashed misunderstandings, falsehoods, and conflations?
15 posted on 02/02/2013 10:54:07 AM PST by stormer
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To: UnwashedPeasant

It’s the Cult of group think.

But it is very clever since it replaces God with Nature or Mother Earth.

Evolutionist bow to nature as the arbiter of what is and what will be.

Environmentalists, bow to Mother Earth or Gaia, and mankind is the parasite that must be stopped.


16 posted on 02/02/2013 10:54:37 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Actually, I have been asked by Jim and the leaders of this site to write editorials. Nice try though stormtrooper.

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17 posted on 02/02/2013 10:55:39 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: chessplayer
There are thousands of these.,

 photo Dinosandpeople_zps20c8f6e2.jpeg

18 posted on 02/02/2013 10:58:18 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: abclily

... and thus you’ve stumbled upon the fundamental racism of the Out Of Africa theory. The smart ones left, is what it says when you get right down to it.

The theory gained currency for sociopolitical rather than scientific reasons, imho.


19 posted on 02/02/2013 11:04:05 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Zeneta

I would refer you to the findings of OC Marsh over 130 years ago. Among other things, he traced equine evolution following the transition of horse ancestors to the modern horse (Observation), made predictions and later found fossils missing in the sequence (Testing), and no evidence has been found that did not support the ToE (Falsified).


20 posted on 02/02/2013 11:04:05 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

So there is not point of you being on this thread to protect your precious religion.

And no it hasn’t been questioned at all. You just rehash your same lines that the creationists should be ignored and only real scientists have the right to an opinion. Same tactic you use for global warming and we all know it is a fraud yet still practiced in your precious academia. So much for your credibility.

Too bad you didn’t accept Christ like you do billions and billions of years.

Pray for America


21 posted on 02/02/2013 11:07:24 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: chessplayer

No different than the evolution cartoon Disney made to brainwash kids into believing man basically walked out of the primordial soup. Where did life begin?

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22 posted on 02/02/2013 11:11:29 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: stormer

Ok, So if I draw lines between a Chihuahua and a Great Dane and later find Terriers and Labradors, this is evolution ?

A horse is a horse, big or small, they are still part of the Equine family.


23 posted on 02/02/2013 11:11:41 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: stormer

Take your cheap name calling somewhere else. We know you are the only intelligent person on the thread since you have evolved in your thinking. You are too intelligent to believe in a superior being, right? Now get lost or answer the question.

We have all heard and seen your tired names, now where did life come from?


24 posted on 02/02/2013 11:15:23 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Which theory gained currency?


25 posted on 02/02/2013 11:15:41 AM PST by abclily
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To: bray
Same tactic you use for global warming

On the contrary, bray, YOU are the one using the global-warming tactics. You constantly ridicule anything that backs up the evolutionary argument (like radio-dating) and personally attack anyone that points out your arguments make no sense.

Give it up, bray. Genesis is not a an accurate description of the geologic history of the Earth. Time to open your mind, that mind that God gave you.

PS saturbraying sucks. Just sayin'


26 posted on 02/02/2013 11:15:56 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: abclily

The theory being discussed in my reply to you.


27 posted on 02/02/2013 11:17:18 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Zeneta

Hey Z long time! This is their latest tactic using antibotic resistant bacteria as an evolution. They are so desperate to find proof no matter how manipulated to keep their fraud alive.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 11:18:09 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: canuck_conservative

Pot/Kettle/Black
just using the same tactic you are using.
Don’t like it, then don’t read it, problem solved.


29 posted on 02/02/2013 11:20:46 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: Zeneta

http://www.mtblanco.com/forsale/2006/ICAStones%201,%202,%203,%20&%204.html


30 posted on 02/02/2013 11:21:21 AM PST by stormer
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To: Zeneta

“This is if you accept a biological difference between these respective races. It is something I do not accept.”

You don’t have to accept for it to be true.

On average: Asians score 5 deviation points higher than Europeans on IQ tests. Europeans score 5 deviation points higher than Africans on IQ tests. You don’t have to believe it for the scores to be accurate.


31 posted on 02/02/2013 11:21:49 AM PST by abclily
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To: stormer

I have asked you to leave the thread unless you have something to offer. Either discuss the issue or leave. Where did life begin?


32 posted on 02/02/2013 11:26:37 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: stormer
.......the ToE has. It has withstood evaluation and attack for 150 years. Do you honestly think that with your limited understanding of biology

Here's the deal.

The entire enterprise is setup around "scientific understanding", with the admission from scientists that they don't know everything and will incorporate new findings as they emerge.

I'm all for science, but I also understand it's limitations as do most. The process of science, empiricism, materialism, reduction and logic are all we have at our disposal.

Using the "Scientific" process, where does logic come from ?

Is logic real ?

Or is logic just a construct ? a by product of evolution ?

33 posted on 02/02/2013 11:28:01 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; abclily; AbeKrieger; AFPhys; airborne; Alan H; Allegra; Always Right; ...

enough braying


34 posted on 02/02/2013 11:28:36 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; abclily; AbeKrieger; AFPhys; airborne; Alan H; Allegra; Always Right; ...

enough braying


35 posted on 02/02/2013 11:29:34 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: bray
This is so loaded with logical fallacies, I wouldn't even know where to begin! And what does being a Christian have to do with understanding science? Are you trying to say that everyone who accepts the ToE is damned?
36 posted on 02/02/2013 11:34:04 AM PST by stormer
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To: bray

I think these days this kind of attack on evolution drives more people away from religion and God than attracts them. Sad.


37 posted on 02/02/2013 11:35:28 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Radio-Dating (as you put it)

You do know there are other ways to date things.

You do know each have there own assumptions built into their results.

You do know that, if a result doesn’t fit a particular model the “Customer” is looking for, he has the lab continue until they find one.


38 posted on 02/02/2013 11:39:31 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta

Huh?


39 posted on 02/02/2013 11:42:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

So explain to us if DNA is far more complicated than anyone thought it could simply appear. If it is so complex even with all our computerized knowledge we can’t unlock more than 2% of the code, yet it simply came together in a mud puddle?


40 posted on 02/02/2013 11:46:51 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: Zeneta

Radiometric dating is one of the most valued and consistently reliable scientific assessments. And yes, while there are assumptions regarding the practice, those are the product of the testing and refining of method. If you have an example of result being driven by desire, I’d be interested in hearing about it.


41 posted on 02/02/2013 11:48:53 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Thanks for the link to Mt. Blanco.

I suppose they have quite an inventory on hand.

If you bother to look you may understand that they are in fact selling casts of what they found.

What they have found, however, numbers in the thousands and have been studied and verified.


42 posted on 02/02/2013 11:49:13 AM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Moonman62

How is that working out?

I am sure by you staying home and not offending anybody you are really bringing people to the cross? Name one person in the Bible who tried your theory. Paul, Stephen, Peter, Simon, oh yeah they were all martyred? Sad huh?

Pray for America


43 posted on 02/02/2013 11:51:04 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: stormer

Looks like you got someone smarter than you on your tail. You may want to leave while you’re behind with your fake proof.


44 posted on 02/02/2013 11:52:55 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Genesis posits that it all began with a big bang. So, what are you attacking ~ is it Genesis or some other source of ancient wisdom or what?

The trick is that stars are created when gravity acts on clouds of gas and compacts them. In the early stages of its life a star spews out vast amounts of water at very high pressure.

Water under very high pressure (50,000 atmospheres or higher) takes the molecular form of a double-helix ~ in very long chains.

A new born star undoubtedly spews out all sorts of other chemicals in long or short chains at the same time. The chemicals of life are all water soluable. Add 2 and 2 together and there you have it. Not being an xenobiologist I can't take you any further into the details.

Which is to say that we may well live in a universe where a fundamental fact of existence is that new stars spew the seeds of life into their own near environment. Sometimes life prospers. Sometimes life doesn't prosper. It may well not need to be shipped in from some other solar system ~

45 posted on 02/02/2013 11:55:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Genesis posits that it all began with a big bang.”

Really? Chapter and verse, please.


46 posted on 02/02/2013 11:57:53 AM PST by abclily
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To: bray

I think Jesus brought people to God, not the cross. I don’t think he would approve of any teaching that drove people away from God.


47 posted on 02/02/2013 11:58:36 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Zeneta

That was succintly stated. I especially enjoyed the comment, “Evolutionists use the fossil record to draw lines between phyla and it’s the lines that are their proof.” That sits well on top of the fact that their fossil records,when used in conjunction with their geological records, are a cicular argument for determining the age of either group of records. Where the age of the rock is determined/known by the fossils found in it and the age of the fossil is determined/known by the age of the rock it is found in. Incidentally, there is no known uniform stratafication identified as representative data for verifying the dating of those sub sets. Piece-meal is not objective, it is alwys subject to a bias of interpretation.


48 posted on 02/02/2013 11:59:43 AM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: bray
Unexplained is not inexplicable. And let me tell you, as one who has studied the abiotic interactions within hydric soils much more than I ever wanted, there's a lot of stuff going on in a mud puddle.
49 posted on 02/02/2013 11:59:52 AM PST by stormer
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To: abclily; Zeneta

Ashkenazi Jews and all Finns of whatever ethnic origin (there are several there) score higher than the Chinese, and the Chinese who live in cities and have access to education score higher than everybody else.


50 posted on 02/02/2013 11:59:52 AM PST by muawiyah
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