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Joint Chiefs chairman: Women in combat spins 'the paradigm on its head'
theday.com ^ | January 31, 2013 | Jennifer McDermott

Posted on 02/02/2013 2:02:01 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

New London — Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey said the military's ban on women in combat had become embarrassing, and the decision to lift it may one day affect the draft.

"What we've really done is spun the paradigm on its head," Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in his first visit to the U.S. Coast Guard Academy Thursday.

The question isn't "should a woman serve" in a job specialty, Dempsey said, it's "why shouldn't a woman serve?"

"Will this expand into the selective service? It might," he said. "But that's a decision of Congress. I can certainly make the intellectual argument, but we'll see what they want to do with that."

Dempsey addressed the cadets, faculty and staff at the academy Thursday before going to Electric Boat in Groton to see a Virginia-class submarine under construction. A cadet at the academy asked Dempsey if he thought Congress would change the selective service system, which currently requires only men to register for the draft.

Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta last week rescinded the rule that bans women from serving in combat. The 1994 rule closed 66 job specialties to women across the services.

"There's a lot of men who can't meet the standard to be infantrymen, and a hell of a lot of men who can't make the standard to be Rangers or SEALs," Dempsey said at the academy. "... But I want to know that we've got a gender-neutral standard and that the playing field is level."

Dempsey told the cadets that the rule — an "emotional anachronism" — ignored reality. To build a force for 2020, he said he wants to have as much talent as he can possibly have.

Only one in four young men can get into the military, Dempsey said. The other three are disqualified for having medical issues, a criminal record or lack education, among other issues.

Lucy Daghir, 18, a freshman cadet from Maryland, said afterward that she thought it was great that women would have more leadership opportunities now that they are no longer banned from the front lines. But when it comes to the draft, Daghir said she thinks there would be "a pretty big uproar" if the system was changed.

"Until we actually need women to go into the draft," she said, "I feel like it would probably be best to not start that."

Dempsey also talked to the cadets about the unpredictable, complex, dangerous world they will encounter when they join the fleet. He said they will have to be deeply committed to being a professional, build relationships on trust, be more aware of themselves as leaders earlier, and continue to learn.

"Young leaders frankly have to be more ready than I was when I was a second lieutenant," he said.

He's confident they will be.

"I only make it through the day because I know there are young men and women like you here, and at West Point, Colorado Springs and Annapolis, who are willing to share the burden," he said, referring to the other service academies.

The Coast Guard Academy male singing group, the Idlers, sang for Dempsey, an avid vocalist. Dempsey joined in when they sang the "The Army Goes Rolling Along" and requested the Coast Guard's service song, "Semper Paratus." He won over the audience by giving them permission to sleep in the following day.

Sam Ruby, 21, a senior cadet from Minnesota and president of the Idlers, said it was a privilege to sing for Dempsey. Dempsey gave the cadets good advice, Ruby said, and "now it's time for us to step up and be leaders."

At Electric Boat, Dempsey toured the North Dakota, a Virginia-class submarine under construction and on track to be delivered faster than its predecessors. EB President Kevin J. Poitras said the visit reflected "the increasing importance of submarines to 21st century national security."

Dempsey and Poitras discussed how EB is making Virginia-class submarines more affordable and incorporating those cost-reduction ideas into the design of a ballistic-missile submarine, as well as how the shipyard will need enough repair and modernization work over the next couple of years to sustain its workforce.

"The chairman was very engaged with the shipbuilders he met," Poitras said, "and we greatly appreciate his interest in Electric Boat."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhodod; dempseystupid; usmilitary; womenincombat

1 posted on 02/02/2013 2:02:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We don’t put our women in combat because we value them.


2 posted on 02/02/2013 2:05:17 PM PST by conservativeimage.com (I don't blame Obama. I blame America.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have devolved into politically correct careerists. The are not the senior Warrior Council the nation needs to defend it. Another example of American decline in the age of Obama.


3 posted on 02/02/2013 2:15:32 PM PST by allendale
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To: Tailgunner Joe

‘Starship Troopers’ doesn’t seem that far out of a role these days.. Brave New Battlefield.


4 posted on 02/02/2013 2:17:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Egalitarianism is one of the factors destroying our society.
5 posted on 02/02/2013 2:19:55 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: allendale

“The Divine One” ( I will never say his name)is a symptom of an underlying disease.


6 posted on 02/02/2013 2:22:24 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Until we actually need women to go into the draft," she said, "I feel like it would probably be best to not start that."

There we go with those "emotional anachronisms" again. Take this chick and Dempsey too, and spin them on their heads.

7 posted on 02/02/2013 2:26:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dempsey told the cadets that the rule — an "emotional anachronism" — ignored reality.

Nature is reality. No emotion about it. It's simply fact. Men are different than women. Women are different than men. God made us this way. I feel sorta silly having to even say something so self-evident.

8 posted on 02/02/2013 2:28:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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9 posted on 02/02/2013 2:35:45 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dempsey said, it's "why shouldn't a woman serve?"

Because we don't send women to fight before we send non-shaving boys and cane-borne old men.

Even a drooling moron knows that.

For Dempsey, 'drooling moron' would be a promotion.

10 posted on 02/02/2013 2:38:00 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: allendale

“The Joint Chiefs of Staff have devolved into politically correct careerists. The are not the senior Warrior Council the nation needs to defend it. Another example of American decline in the age of Obama.”

Amen to that! However, the current POTUS (and I am afraid most in the last couple of decades) wants yes men - not advisors. You don’t get to be the service chief by being a “warrior” alone...you have to be a politician.


11 posted on 02/02/2013 2:48:16 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey said the military's ban on women in combat had become embarrassing...

Embarrassing? I wonder whose opinion it is that Dempsey is so concerned about? Must be his counterparts in the European countries. Or maybe it's their wives making his wife feel embarrassed at NATO cocktail parties or something.

12 posted on 02/02/2013 3:02:10 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Idiocy. Dempsey is utterly incomptentent.


13 posted on 02/02/2013 3:03:43 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Idiocy. Dempsey is utterly incompetent..


14 posted on 02/02/2013 3:04:41 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dempsey once said he felt the Iranian Mullahs were “reasonable people”. Another illustration of how much trouble we are in.


15 posted on 02/02/2013 3:06:28 PM PST by jesseam (eliev)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Fair is fair.
Get those young ladies down to the local draft board at age 18.


16 posted on 02/02/2013 3:13:28 PM PST by llevrok (Unlike Obama, at least Nero could play a fiddle.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

GEN (Ret) Martin E. Dempsey (D-”fill-in state”)

Regards.


17 posted on 02/02/2013 3:29:14 PM PST by Sine_Pari
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To: conservativeimage.com
We don’t put our women in combat because we value them.

Exactly. Obviously Dempsey, Panetta, obama do not.
18 posted on 02/02/2013 3:32:26 PM PST by Girlene
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“Egalitarianism”

Just another term to disguise socialism/communism/democrats, progressives all. Yes, it is destroying the country.


19 posted on 02/02/2013 3:41:29 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There have been too many women sitting on the sidelines on this issue. It’s time for all of them to get into the game. ALL women in The United States MUST register with the Selective Service so they can be called upon to serve their ruler, Obama. Shave their heads and give them camouflage face paint to wear. Please, let me be the one to run Hillary Clinton, Barbara Streisand and Nancy Pelosi through the Confidence Course. Men have had to register for the draft for some time. It’s only fair that females jump into the trenches and prove their love of country. Welcome to the Infantry, ladies.

“I didn’t ask to be in the Infantry, Sergeant. I like my hot tub.”

“We’ll, lie down in that mud puddle and pee your pants and maybe the water will warm up enough to remind you of back home.”


20 posted on 02/02/2013 3:43:50 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: EternalVigilance
Men are different than women. Women are different than men. God made us this way. I feel sorta silly having to even say something so self-evident.

Don't feel bad about this because a lot of people lately seem to be having trouble with the concept!

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola...

Regards,
GtG

21 posted on 02/02/2013 3:56:08 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

A parasite. A sick pro abortion society which kills 55 million babies and ignores a 500,000 sized march in Washington against this societal illness, shoul dexpect this kind of thing. I know I did when I first heard about it in 1971 or so, when the stupid thing was proposed and I was just a little kid

DUH!


22 posted on 02/02/2013 3:56:28 PM PST by stanne
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To: Tailgunner Joe

what a POS this guy is. another pentagon perfumed prince who doesn’t care about the troops.


23 posted on 02/02/2013 4:07:34 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: NormsRevenge

“‘Starship Troopers’ doesn’t seem that far out of a role these days.. Brave New Battlefield.”

Are you referring to the movie?

The book is the antithesis of the movie and the Paneta/Dempsey doctrine.


24 posted on 02/02/2013 4:16:59 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"'Will this expand into the selective service? It might,' he said."

Is Dempsey a homosexual?


25 posted on 02/02/2013 4:33:31 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Is Dempsey a homosexual?

No, but he is willing to learn.

26 posted on 02/02/2013 4:39:40 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: TADSLOS

I liked this line:

‘There’s a lot of men who can’t meet the standard to be infantrymen, and a hell of a lot of men who can’t make the standard to be Rangers or SEALs’

Let’s think about that for a minute...

Another way to say this would have been:

100% of men who qualify to be infantrymen do meet the standard to be infantrymen, and 100% of men who do become Rangers or SEALs do meet the standards required for these positions.

What Dempsey was attempting to imply was that we have infantrymen and Rangers & Seals who really do not measure up. So what the hey, let’s add a bunch of women to the mix. It’s time.

How he is qualified to be the commander of the Joint Chiefs is a wonder to me.


27 posted on 02/02/2013 4:52:05 PM PST by Delta Dawn (at)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s propaganda, folks, of course. Here’s the appropriate response. Promote young women having lots of kids, and treat the boys well (as well as the girls). Some of the only influential political constituents are behind such propaganda. Repeat and clarification: make sure that young, working class American women have more children than ever.

Same response to the Malthusian garbage we’ve seen along with the shoving of our manufacturing base to nations of slaves.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 5:21:26 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Delta Dawn
‘There’s a lot of men who can’t meet the standard to be infantrymen, and a hell of a lot of men who can’t make the standard to be Rangers or SEALs’

Yeah, well thanks for making our point, General. But, this isn't really about equality anyway. This is about remaking America in the secular humanist's image.

29 posted on 02/02/2013 7:35:09 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This argument is just so easy to refute. Many of you may have heard of a little dustup called World War II. At the peak of United States involvement in that war there were 16 ½ million personnel in uniform, many of them women. We also had over 400,000 personnel killed in the line of duty, against the toughest battlefield enemies this country has ever had to face, ones that were capable of and often did inflict shattering BATTLEFIELD defeats upon our sea, land and air forces. Despite this no one saw any need to place women into combat roles that had the responsibility to directly close with, engage, and destroy the enemy..

Today with a much smaller and almost hand picked elite Armed Forces, and a population base that is more than twice as large as that during World War II, there is even less need for it now than then.

This entire idiocy is being propelled by the demand for selfish feminists to qualify for chairmanship of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nothing more and nothing less than that.

This has absolutely nothing to do with enhancing the ability of the Armed Forces to fight, rather it will weaken it if for no other reason than the logistics strain that it will place on the Armed Forces for separate housing and the like.


30 posted on 02/02/2013 8:06:35 PM PST by DMZFrank
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