Skip to comments.Gov. Perry: Boy Scouts should keep no-gay policy
Posted on 02/02/2013 9:10:14 PM PST by Olog-hai
Texas Gov. Rick Perry said emphatically Saturday that the Boy Scouts of America shouldnt soften its strict no-gays membership policy, and dismissed the idea of bending the organization to the whims of popular culture.
Perry is an Eagle Scout and in 2008 he authored the book On My Honor: Why the American Values of the Boy Scouts Are Worth Fighting For. It detailed the governors deep love for the organization and explained why it should continue to embrace traditional, conservative valuesincluding excluding openly gay members and Scout leaders.
Even though the Boy Scouts reaffirmed the no-gays policy just seven months ago, the proposal is expected to be discussed, and possibly voted on, at the meeting of the Scouts national executive board, which begins Monday in Irving, outside Dallas.
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No reason for any Conservative, Christian or value-driven Patriot to gave an inch...
Better to lose and be right.
Sigh. What could have been. I realize he had his flaws and the pain of the then-recent back surgery kept Governor Rick Perry from his normal ability to articulate well, but imagine a man of such Conservatism (and unapologetic Christianity) serving as the Commander in Chief.
Has he realized that we do have hearts?
Yeah, looking back on it now, Perry would have been a good nominee..
Lt. Governor, I do pay attention to, and that sob needs to retire to his ranch.
We've encountered each other a few times, including the tech-related threads. As far as I recall, we've never had a disagreement and I don't intend to get crossways now. We differ on Rick Perry and that's understandable since we look at things through different lenses, even as Conservatives.
My only request is that you reconsider the use of the term "Gov. Goodhair". It originated from the beastly Molly Ivins, perhaps the only person, when she was alive, who made Helen Thomas look like a fashion model. Well...maybe not to that extent. :-)
It's probably just me but using phraseology from the left is something I try my best to avoid. That's why I've never used "gay" when discussing sodomites since it's a word they've dragged through the mud. Like I said, just consider the evil source of "Goodhair" and if you think otherwise, just tell me to take a long walk off a short pier.
Many others would come to mind before I settled for Perry.
But... He does support the 2nd Amendment. He doesn't support abortion. He doesn't support government health-care. And he has reduced government.
So he would get my vote if he won the nomination. I wouldn't vote for him in a primary.
“Gayness” is such a warping and misdirection of what God created masculine relationships (and selfhood) to be. It would turn Boy Scouts into a farce.
Having given consideration to your point and noticing that he's less blow-dried than when he was pushing for unconservative stuff, I will relent.
From now on, I'll just call him the coyote killer.
Very well done!
And best of all Molly Ivins is still dead although I'm sure she and Ted Kennedy are exchanging a few pleasantries for all of eternity with a not-so-flickering fire to keep them well roasted...
Gabrial: “Kind of like an all you can eat buffet.”
That might be the goal of some homosexuals, but that’s not a useful argument for stopping the queering of the scouts. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying only a small percentage of radical homosexuals see the scouts as a farm team.
Politically, people who support changing the policy see this as an equal rights issue, and we give the other side ammo when we focus on the most extreme elements. There are more common concerns, like sexual attraction. For example, would it be wise to let a man take a girl scout troop on a camping trip? If not, why not? Even if the man meant well, wouldn’t it create more opportunities for harm to the girls? I think so.
Well, I think homosexuals leading troops of young men and boys creates similiar opportunities for bad things to occur. Again, it creates an easily avoidable opportunity for harm to the boys, and protecting the boys, not equal rights, must be our prime concern.
Yes, the queering process is less about flaming queen behavior than it is about making queerness normative. More defining deviancy down.
I hope Rick runs again for President. I think he will find a more attentive electorate.
We really missed the boat this last cycle. What could have been..
The thing that comes to my mind, as well, is why would a homosexual man open himself up to the possibilty of legal action (possibly prison) by putting himself is such a situation? Or why would the Boy Scout organization risk getting sued by allowing this situation?
All it takes is for a child to say...”he is gay and touched me wrong”.
It makes no sense...politically correct or not.
Boycott Intel, Merc, and UPS, plus AT&T
Unlike the BSA’s Learning for Life, membership in the traditional BSA programs is more restricted and controversial. Girls may not join Cub Scouting or Boy Scouting, but may join Venturing and Sea Scouting; women can be adult volunteers in all programs. The BSA prohibits “avowed” gay and lesbian children and adults from participation, citing its principle to be “morally straight”. The BSA takes a similar prohibitive stance toward both children and adults who are atheist and agnostic, citing its “Duty to God” principle.
In 2000, the Supreme Court ruled in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale that Boy Scouts, and all private organizations, have the constitutionally protected right under the First Amendment of freedom of association to set membership standards. In 2004, the BSA adopted a new policy statement, including the following as a “Youth Leadership” policy:
“Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scouting’s values and beliefs. Most boys join Scouting when they are 10 or 11 years old. As they continue in the program, all Scouts are expected to take leadership positions. In the unlikely event that an older boy were to hold himself out as homosexual, he would not be able to continue in a youth leadership position.”
BSALegal.org published these policies until February 2010, when it was removed from their website.
At the Scouts annual meeting in April 2012, a leader from the Northeast presented a resolution that “would allow individual units to accept gays as adult leaders”. However in July 2012, at the culmination of a review started in 2010, an 11 person committee convened by the BSA reached a “unanimous consensus” recommending retaining the current policy. Intel, UPS, and Merck cut financial ties with the BSA over the policy decision. Within the BSA National Executive Board, members James Turley, CEO of Ernst & Young, and Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T and who is “on track to become president of the Scouts national board in 2014”, have publicly opposed the policy and stated their intention “to work from within the BSA Board to actively encourage dialogue and sustainable progress” in changing the policy. On January 28, 2013, the BSA announced they were considering rescinding the ban on homosexuals, allowing chartered organizations to determine local policy.
I know what the Boy Scouts are supposed to represent, but thanks for the overview.
So are you trying to say that altering verbage in their credo will protect them from lawsuits?
That was my question...and I don’t think it will. (of course I’m not a lawyer and don’t even play one on tv).
I wonder if Intel and other companies will now withdraw funding from girl scouts unless they allow heterosexual boys to share tents with teen girl scouts.
I still shudder when I remember the crazy days of Ann Richards, may she receive her reward.
And I think a lot of us get more conservative as the years go by.
I hope Rick runs again for President. I think he will find a more attentive electorate.
I predict that within a period of not more than four years Perry will lead us into a battle to save our country either by having Texas leave the union or to become a leader in the new civil war.
Don’t laugh, the communist in chief has all intentions in using the federal government to disarm the people and enslave us all.
Don’t believe it? Just use a little reasoning and wonder why the ATF, TSA, EPA, FEMA and a whole host of other government entities are arming themselves to the teeth.
Hollow point ammo is NOT used for target practice...it is used to kill fresh meat......YOU!
It was made in 1978....and I only remembered bits and pieces...(it was a mini-series on TV)
It is very well made....and chilling!!!
It's as if I'm watching events & propaganda from today's news.
I urge everyone to watch this again or the first time!
We did not learn from history and we are repeating it!
I like Perry but in the last election, his debating and oratory skills really killed him. Maybe he can take the next four years to strengthen those skills and run again in 2016.
We did not learn from history and we are repeating it! ———————
Us old timers do remember history. The “kinder, gentler” generation was never taught REAL history in the public communist indoctrination centers (public school and college).
The most important history was gay rights, women’s rights, the civil rights movement and a whole host of other “history” that has brought our country to it’s knees.
The last time the Boy Scouts tried to be politically correct, it was a disaster. In the early 1970s, they decided to “urbanize” Scouting, when they were caught up in shades of Sesame Street and The Outsiders. Hey! It was “trendy!”
They not only made the least popular edition of the Scout manual, ever, replacing outdoorsmanship with urban sociology and liberal agenda items; but they made the mistake of inviting a herd of “inner city yoots” to one of their major eastern reservations for summer camp.
The yoots rioted, vandalized the heck out of the place, threw their mattresses in a large creek, destroyed the kitchen equipment and trashed the food. As well as slashing the tires of the buses that took them to camp.
So yeah, it’s been about 40 years since their last really huge foul up.
Should have left the “yoots” out in the wilderness to fend for themselves.
BSA...don't give in...the LIBERALS will still hate you!!!