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The Silent Conquest of a Continent
Townhall.com ^ | February 3, 2013 | Michael Youssef

Posted on 02/03/2013 8:26:00 AM PST by Kaslin

There’s been a lot of discussion within some in the media regarding the demographic changes taking place in Europe. But those of us who’ve travelled there have observed it firsthand: namely, the decreased birthrate among Europeans compared to the enormous birthrate increase among Muslim immigrants.

Overall, the birthrate across the continent is far below the replacement level of 2.1 children per couple. Italy, Spain, Austria, and Germany have a fertility rate of only 1.4, while Poland and Russia languish at 1.3 and 1.2, respectively.

However, as a subgroup, Muslims in Europe are producing from 4 to 6 children per couple. Encouraged by some sheiks in Muslim countries who have forbidden the use of birth control, Muslim immigrants are producing children at two to three times the rate of Europeans.

Even Muslims in Europe who came from more westernized Islamic countries, like Turkey and Tunisia, have twice the birthrate of other Europeans. And the rate among their second generations is holding to that factor.

There are many projections as to when the Muslim population will gain a majority in Europe. Some say it could be as soon as 2025. Others as late as 2050.

Regardless of when Muslims become the majority in Europe, that turning point will present one of the greatest ironies in 1,400 years of European history.

Ever since Islamic expansion under Caliphates Umar and Usman, Muslims have tried again and again to invade and defeat Europe. But they failed.

The Ottomans got the closest; in fact, as close as Austria. But ultimately, that attempt and all others were unsuccessful. Until now. As Sheik Yousef Quardawi has been quoted to have said: “What our forbears failed to do by the sword, this generation is accomplishing through legitimate birthright, immigration, and petro-dollars.”

It’s impossible to predict whether radicals or more westernized elements will dominate the coming generation of majority Muslims. Certainly the current push for Sharia implementation in many European countries, including England, presents a foreboding omen.

That news doesn’t bode well for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. At least Christians and Jews will be treated as demis, or second-class citizens. But the Sharia will have no such leniency for out and out non-believers.

What will happen to the gospel of “tolerance” that secular forces preach today? Although purveyors of that gospel are, in reality, the most intolerant of all, that won’t matter. “Tolerance” is used to give Islamists a foothold in the West, and then the proselytizers of that gospel will be swept into the dustbin of Islamic intolerance.

As a believer whose permanent home is in Heaven with Christ, I grieve over those who are being led away from His incredible love. Jesus is reaching out to them through Christian believers; He longs for them to turn to Him before it is too late.

I grieve for them, but I will not give up praying for them.


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1 posted on 02/03/2013 8:26:02 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

We have only ourselves to blame, primarily liberal, leftist/socialist government and school systems, combined with a perverted sense of what sexuality without procreation generates. A Pope said contraception was racial suicide, so be it. And abortion the back up system when contraception fails. In the long run, society fails and your enemies inherit the vacuum. I just hope the Europeans have it in them to kick them out or destroy them if necessary in the coming years; and if they’re truly dying, I hope they go out with a bang, not a wimper. America, wake up, it’s already happening here, we’re 10-20 years behind, but it’s happening here too.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 8:32:35 AM PST by john drake
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To: Kaslin

Thanks Michael....

But my Mom beat you to your observation by about 40 years.

It was obvious then that the native European’s were contracepting and aborting themselves into oblivion and were being supplanted by the non-aborting Muslims.


3 posted on 02/03/2013 8:34:30 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: john drake
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4 posted on 02/03/2013 8:35:37 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Kaslin

“Muslims in Europe are producing from 4 to 6 children per couple.”

Which “couple” is he referring to? Muslim men can have up to four wives. If each “couple” produces 4-6 children, a Muslim male can sire 16-24 children. The only way to defeat Islam is to eliminate young Muslim men before they can reproduce. Western civilization better get cracking on this mission or its survival is in grave doubt.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 8:36:29 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Kaslin

And don’t forget the mexicans. They have LOTS of kids.


6 posted on 02/03/2013 8:43:59 AM PST by GILTN1stborn
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To: Kaslin

Europe will never recover from the catastrophic genetic losses and social disruptions it suffered between 1914 to 1945. Russia, Poland, Germany, Austria, France, Britain and Italy lost the best of two generations. The most vibrant and aggressive died and never procreated to their potential . Since 1960 modern contraceptive methods and abortion, as well as a cultural embrace of decadence have sealed their demographic fate. In many ways ,you can’t blame the Muslims. The future belongs to the fertile.


7 posted on 02/03/2013 8:47:23 AM PST by allendale
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To: GILTN1stborn

The Mexican birth rate is now very close to the American birth rate.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 8:48:11 AM PST by married21
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To: txrefugee
Virtually none of these guys carry the gene to survive the black death. Most Europeans are currently well equipped to make it through the worst plague.

just a matter of time and history will repeat itself.

9 posted on 02/03/2013 8:49:04 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

It won’t last. There is already unrest among many of these country’s populations, Hungary and Greece among the most tangible. I think a politician in Sweden recently stated that Muslims should be forced to follow a one-child policy, so as to save the native population. Rest assured, the worse things get, the larger reactionary forces will become.


10 posted on 02/03/2013 9:07:56 AM PST by Viennacon (t)
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To: married21
The Mexican birth rate is now very close to the American birth rate.

So we keep hearing. My observations in grocery stores and Walmarts in Texas and New Mexico suggest otherwise.

11 posted on 02/03/2013 9:15:29 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Kaslin.
...the decreased birthrate among Europeans compared to the enormous birthrate increase among Muslim immigrants
Historically, and barring a big impact from space, all successful societies always wind up this way.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 9:15:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: txrefugee

If wishes were horses...

How do you propose to “eliminate” Muslim males in the West?


13 posted on 02/03/2013 9:21:45 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: muawiyah
Virtually none of these guys carry the gene to survive the black death. Most Europeans are currently well equipped to make it through the worst plague. just a matter of time and history will repeat itself.

Whatever the new plague mutates into, it can only sustain itself and spread if there are enough host victims to carry and spread the germs. That means, for the Muslims to be felled by it, the germs would have to be able to infect non-Muslims as well, just so that enough carriers exist to get the germs to the Muslims. Besides, there is no guarantee any new plague will be unable to overcome past defenses (least of all, defenses evolved over 600+ years ago, whose selection and sustenance has been silenced due to the end of the previous plague. That means Europeans will fall en-masse as well. Then again, a large proportion of Muslims are Europeans too, converts and Eastern European migrants. Add to that the propensity for white women to marry and mate with Muslims there (and here as well) while the males jump from affair to affair, unwilling to be monogamous.

14 posted on 02/03/2013 9:32:08 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Kaslin

The fastest way to cure this is to introduce militantly pro-feminism “family” court law to moslem women. The birth rate would reduce dramatically if the moslem women knew they could divorce at the drop of a hat, demand the man’s lifetime earnings and then keep him from seeing his children ever again—all done nice and legally in western culture. Much more chance of this happening than to revise the western “family” court law to be more father-friendly.


15 posted on 02/03/2013 9:37:20 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: James C. Bennett
"while the males jump from affair to affair, unwilling to be monogamous."

Ever been through "family" aka divorce court as the modern day pariah known as a white, western male? If you did you would not come to such a conclusion. It's no wonder white, western males refuse to "settle down" and have offspring, knowing very well that the courts can legally take their wallet (no self support reserve; Title IV-D prop up) and wink at the mothers estranging the children from them.

16 posted on 02/03/2013 9:44:15 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Viennacon

I would make this statement. If you can have four kids and survive in the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany....on just a guy’s single income....go for it. It’ll take one generation for wisdom to suddenly arrive and limit the birthrate. You can’t get a head in Germany with a family of six....trust me. You will drive an old car....buy only the essentials to eat....and retire with barely anything to pay for life.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 10:04:12 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: john drake
We have only ourselves to blame, primarily liberal, leftist/socialist government and school systems, combined with a perverted sense of what sexuality without procreation generates. A Pope said contraception was racial suicide, so be it. And abortion the back up system when contraception fails. In the long run, society fails and your enemies inherit the vacuum. I just hope the Europeans have it in them to kick them out or destroy them if necessary in the coming years; and if they’re truly dying, I hope they go out with a bang, not a wimper. America, wake up, it’s already happening here, we’re 10-20 years behind, but it’s happening here too.

I was talking about this to my father one time. We figured that if we go toe to toe with them and cannot put the boots on the ground that we need, there is one alternative we can use. It takes the will to do it though. Atomic weapons might be the only way.
18 posted on 02/03/2013 10:28:11 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: James C. Bennett
At the moment the protective gene is believed to be any one of the 1400 CF mutations ~ 1/4 end up with CF, 1/4 end up without the gene, 1/2 get one copy of the gene, and it's been pretty stable or the last 600 years ~

Western Europeans, particularly the Irish, have a very high incidence of the mutant CF genes.

The Middle East, North Africa, East Asian, Africa, India, populations have a low incidence.

At the same time the mutant CF genes are found world wide in whatever population you want to study.

Assume for a second that this is the gene that allows 2/3 to survive the black death, the European recovery AFTER the great plagues of the 1300s, which affected all the more advanced nations, could definitely been the key to the European conquest of the entire world in the 1500 to 1900 period!

The muzzies, if they want to live through the coming great global pandemics had probably best start handing over their sisters to the blond blue-eyed kaf'r as soon as possible!

19 posted on 02/03/2013 10:33:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: James C. Bennett
With CF being an autosomal recessive sort of thing, the only way you can get CF itself is to have two copies ~ on the other hand, the only way you can get whatever the patterning disease is, you only need one copy ~ if you have none, of course, you are dead.

The oldest CF mutation seems to be about 56,000 years old ~ and that's the time when the White Folk went West from Central Asia and those who were to turn into Chinese went East from Central Asia.

The Cro Magnon's who went to Europe walked right into an interstadial where RATS and other rodents were cock of the walk ~ and the black death is rodent born, in part, by fleas that live on those rodents.

Humans exist in large numbers in Europe only by having an immunity to rat born diseases ~ CF may well be the gene that confers that immunity.

In between the great plagues humans prosper, more and more of those with no CF gene mutations survive, and next thing you know there's another great plague (usually the same old same old ~ the bacterium, Yersinia pestis)

20 posted on 02/03/2013 10:44:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: txrefugee
Yep


" The only way to defeat Islam is to eliminate young Muslim men before they can reproduce. "

21 posted on 02/03/2013 10:44:55 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Kaslin
The Third World, Moslem variety, is conquering Europe. The Third World, Mexican and Chinese varieties are conquering America.

The cause is the degeneration of Western man who have become incapable of physical or spiritual resistance. Western man's degeneracy is manifested by tolerance, equality, pacifism, the big tent, room at the table and wide spread vice addiction.

22 posted on 02/03/2013 10:49:54 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: allendale

Good point.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 10:51:27 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: James C. Bennett

How to eleminate muslim males in the west? Sterilize them at birth.


24 posted on 02/03/2013 10:53:55 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Kaslin

Europeans fought many wars to retain their self-identity. France even has a government department to keep foreign words from creeping into the French language.

For two main factors, to seek workers to fill the gap left by a declining number of youth, and to satisfy the liberal push for multiculturalism, European nations have allowed immigrants who too often have no desire to assimilate. This is all the more true when those immigrants are Muslim.

Europe is committing slow-motion cultural suicide. When the indigenous Europeans wake up, this will have progressed to the point that there are only two bloody options: either the Muslim immigrants will have to be suppressed or they will have to be forced out.

Europe has drifted from being nominally religious to being aggressively secular. But many immigrants are religious and that religion is most often Islam. An invastion by people motivated by religion can only be countered by another religion. I think that Euro-elites will turn to the Roman Church and use it as a counter-force to Islam inside Europe.

This will not end peacefully.


25 posted on 02/03/2013 11:06:19 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Kaslin

Back in the middle ages Europe had the bubonic plague and the Black Death killing millions. This time it has the Islamic Plague infesting it and this plague will kill European civilization.


26 posted on 02/03/2013 11:17:11 AM PST by driftless2
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To: muawiyah

Interesting!

Still, the underlying assumption being that the next pandemic will be plague/bacterial-based.

If a Spanish flu-type virus does a number, that entire evolved immunity becomes hopeless.


27 posted on 02/03/2013 11:20:53 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: tillacum
How to eleminate muslim males in the west? Sterilize them at birth.

Easy to fantasise, impossible to implement, akin to pondering if the West is ironically willing to sacrifice itself for its survival.

Tell me about how you will organise the forced sterilization of Muslims in today's society.

28 posted on 02/03/2013 11:25:42 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: tillacum

Scissor through the skull will do that very effectively.


29 posted on 02/03/2013 11:26:48 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: tillacum

Scissors through the skull will do that very effectively.


30 posted on 02/03/2013 11:26:56 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AbolishCSEU

I have and I know.

What I said is true, regardless. At the end of the day, numbers matter. Nature is indifferent, and doesn’t care a whit about why someone or something fails, especially when it comes to self-preservation. One party’s loss, willfully chosen or fatefully bestowed, is another’s gain.


31 posted on 02/03/2013 11:30:25 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Tell me about how you will organise the forced sterilization of Muslims in today's society.

Sterilization will not work. What you need to do is to convince muslim women that they have "choice" and that they do not have to keep that parasite alive. Show them Planned Parenthood and their works! Then buy off a few imams with some walkin' 'round money to advertise for PP and watch the birthrate plummet. It worked with another group.

32 posted on 02/03/2013 11:31:59 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Kaslin

“This world is not my home, I’m just a passin’ through, my treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue.”


33 posted on 02/03/2013 11:38:46 AM PST by Eva
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Try going to your local mosque and then interact with the women there and see for yourself the futility of that plan. Muslims in general, and Muslim women in particular, hate the West and are suspicious of Westernerd to the point that they regard them as no better than philandering reprobates deeply indulged in sexual depravity, especially due to their cultural aversion to premarital sex.

In a perfect world, IMNSHO, not a single Muslim would exist. However, the sexual attitudes in the West will ensure that Islam will thrive here.


34 posted on 02/03/2013 11:49:14 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

It was just a thought. I have NO idea how to force sterilize anyone. My life has been to save life.


35 posted on 02/03/2013 11:54:59 AM PST by tillacum
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To: AbolishCSEU
I'm going through that right now. I would love to find and love another woman, settle down and have kids but I don't know if I could survive this process should it fail again.

There was no abuse of any kind and I wound up having to pay 1/2 her legal bills. The amount is greater then 1/2 of my pretax yearly salary. It will take me the better part of a decade to pay off to say nothing of the child support.

I get 3 hours a week with my son. This week she accused me of drinking before hand so I had to cut short the two hour visit by 90 minutes. I had nothing to drink whatsoever. This was after she canceled the hour long weekday visit because she was unwilling to adjust the schedule. (We both had work commitments, hers was on the court mandated day and mine was on the alternate.)

I'm not a perfect man but I've worked with kids my entire adult life and that meant absolutely nothing to the court. I mentored at risk kids for 13 years and that meant absolutely nothing to the court. I passed an FBI background check to get hired at my current job and that meant nothing to the court. Her word is Gospel while I have to prove everything to the court's satisfaction with copious amounts of documentation.

During a court mandated observation I picked up my crying son and gently bounced him in my arms to calm him. The report said I picked him up and shook him.

There is nothing fair, rational or just about the court system if you are a man.

36 posted on 02/03/2013 12:45:28 PM PST by Anvilhead (In my lifetime we've gone from citizens to subjects.)
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To: James C. Bennett
The flu holds the record on killing large numbers of people, but it's a piker on the percentage side of the equation. Hanta virus kills 95% of those it infects. Smallpox does 25% to 75% depending on the health of the population being attacked ~ but the survivors end up with imunity to another attack.

If you read deeply enough into the CF literature you find that there are researchers who believe that yersinia pestis kills 100% of those who do not carry a mutant CF gene. Why it doesn't kill all those folks in East Asia is simple ~ it is so virulent and deadly, it kills its human host population before it can spread very far physically.

BTW, there are those who appear to carry a natural immunity to flu. They just never get it. No one knows how many there are.

37 posted on 02/03/2013 1:00:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Is Europe still rat-infested like it once was? And what percentage of Europeans have the CF mutant gene?


38 posted on 02/03/2013 1:13:45 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Anvilhead

Unless you mind my asking, what caused your wife to sour so badly toward you?


39 posted on 02/03/2013 1:16:17 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

1 out of 34 depending on where you are looking ~ some higher/some lower. http://www.clinchem.org/content/57/6/841.full is rather complex but in summary this is not just a white folks thing but fur shur the incidence among whites is far higher than the other groups wherever they might be.


40 posted on 02/03/2013 1:26:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: James C. Bennett

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Black_rat_distribution.png


41 posted on 02/03/2013 1:29:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Of interest:

Thought rare, cystic fibrosis now rising in India

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Issue Date: May 1, 2006 issue, Posted On: 5/4/2006

By Paul Imbesi
Cystic fibrosis, an incurable, fatal genetic disease, was once believed to be extremely rare in India, but new research shows that the country may have the most cystic fibrosis patients in the world.

That’s according to Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide’s program director, Christine Noke, who cited studies of Indian cystic fibrosis patients living in the United States and the United Kingdom. She said one in 40,000 Indians in the United States has cystic fibrosis, and one in 28,000 suffers from it in the United Kingdom.

“So if that’s the case, you’re looking at possibly 100,000 patients in India,” she said.

Currently, there are 100,000 diagnosed patients across the globe, according to Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide. Thirty thousand people with cystic fibrosis live in the United States.

Cystic fibrosis is a genetic disease that causes a person’s body to create unusually thick mucus, which clogs lungs and may also leave a person susceptible to lung infections. This mucus also affects the pancreas by blocking digestive enzymes, which are needed to break down and absorb food, from getting to the intestines.

Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide is an international nonprofit organization that helps people with cystic fibrosis in developing countries and also works with the World Health Organization. Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide works to help those affected by the disease improve the longevity and quality of their life.

Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide was founded in 2003 after the merger between two other organizations — the International Association of Cystic Fibrosis Adults and the International Cystic Fibrosis Association. Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide has headquarters in Worcester, Mass., and the Netherlands.

According to Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide, there are 1,000 mutations of the cystic fibrosis gene, and for a baby to get the disease both parents must be carriers of the defective cystic fibrosis gene. The organization said there are millions of people worldwide who are unknowing carriers of cystic fibrosis. Each time two carriers conceive there is a 25 percent chance that their child will be born with cystic fibrosis, and a 50 percent chance the child will be a cystic fibrosis carrier.

The life expectancy of a person with cystic fibrosis varies. Noke said that for a person born with the disease in 1995 and after, the average life expectancy is 40 years. For anyone born beyond that, the life expectancy average lowers to about 35 years.

Noke said that the average life expectancy in India right now is below six years.

She said it was important to her organization to improve care in India and begin funding cystic fibrosis research in the subcontinent. Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide recently received a $65,000 grant from the Chiron Foundation, an organization that gives grants to medical and health groups, for its work in India. The Chiron Foundation is based in Emeryville, Calif.

Cystic fibrosis is primarily found amongst Caucasians, which is why it was believed to be extremely rare in people of Indian origin.

“Now over one decade, overall, people have realized that it is not so rare or not extremely rare in the Indian subcontinent or in other races,” said Dr. Sushil Kabra, who is working with Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide in New Delhi, India. Kabra was given a grant by the organization 10 years ago.

Kabra, a professor in the Department of Pediatrics at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, said the first case of the disease was seen at his institute in 1993. He said that he has been researching cystic fibrosis for 12 years.

During this period, Kabra said he has seen over 200 cases of cystic fibrosis, and more cases are popping up.

Kabra said that the cystic fibrosis patients he was seeing were all children with respiratory problems — similar to what he had read about in Western medical textbooks. Then he found out Indian immigrants were being diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and he started to change his thinking: cystic fibrosis may not be rare amongst Indians after all.

“The frequency of cystic fibrosis in the Caucasian population varies from 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 2,500 children, which is very, very high. But in India, we do not know what is the frequency,” he said.

Since Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide began working with Kabra 10 years ago, he has been working with other doctors interested in cystic fibrosis in several Indian cities such as Mumbai, Chennai and Kolkata.

Dr. Raju Khubchandani, a pediatrician with a specialty in lung disease at the Jaslok Hospital in Mumbai, thought that cystic fibrosis was non-existent amongst Indians until about eight years ago. Now he said he has about eight diagnosed patients with the disease and believes that Indian doctors are slow to diagnose it.

“It’s kind of a vicious cycle. What your mind does not know, your eye does not see,” said Khubchandani, who also works with Kabra on cystic fibrosis research in India.

Khubchandani said he believes that the British brought the disease to India, where “cross-pollination” occurred.

Now in Mumbai — a city of 20 million people — Khubchandani said there is only one center that diagnoses cystic fibrosis.

According to Noke, there are multiple barriers that are preventing cystic fibrosis from being properly diagnosed. These barriers are malnutrition, lack of medical care, poverty and the fact that if cystic fibrosis is not detected early in these children, they could die within a year after birth, she said. She added that since many Indian doctors do not know to look for cystic fibrosis, they are sending these babies back home where they could suffer from an intestinal block and die.

Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide is trying to end this by funding Kabra’s research, who is working with Khubchandani and other doctors to find out how prevalent cystic fibrosis is in India.

Kabra said that the first priority is to establish a cystic fibrosis diagnostic test in India. He said he hopes to popularize these tests and make them available across other Indian centers. These tests would result in a database of cystic fibrosis patients across the country.

Kabra’s next step is to identify other doctors interested in cystic fibrosis and train them so they would be able to diagnose cystic fibrosis early and save more lives.

The final step of Kabra’s plan is creating an epidemiological study. Kabra said this study, which would take samples from a person’s skin, would uncover how many people are truly afflicted with cystic fibrosis in India.

“We are very hopeful that, if we can identify more and more persons, then probably it may be helpful in getting out many research activities which may not only be helpful for the Indian subcontinent, but for worldwide — all the patients of cystic fibrosis.”

Noke said that the epidemiological study is important because it provides evidence that there is a problem.

“You can’t lobby a government or actually fundraise for something [unless] you can say, ‘Look, there is a hundred thousand patients being born in this country with this disease. It is a disease that you need to pay attention to,’” she said.

“The big question mark on the genome mapping is India because [cystic fibrosis] is not found in Asia and it’s not found in Africa,” Noke said.

Kabra said his three-step plan for cystic fibrosis will not be as sophisticated, or as costly, as those in the West. But it will be sustainable.

However, Kabra is facing several challenges in his goals. He said cystic fibrosis is not a priority for the Indian government, so funding for projects comes from non-governmental organizations, like Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide.

Kabra added that training Indian doctors is also a challenge, since there are currently so few doctors who are knowledgeable about the disease.

“I can count [the doctors] on my fingers and it is maybe not more than 10 people who are really interested and they have some confidence in dealing with cystic fibrosis,” he said.

However, other doctors are receiving training. Khubchandani and some of the other Indian doctors researching cystic fibrosis went to Southampton, England last December (through the funding provided by Cystic Fibrosis Worldwide) for a week where they were exposed to different kinds of treatments for the disease, as well as how to train their colleagues in India.

Now Khubchandani is preparing for a meeting this June in Mumbai with other Indian researchers to find out what progress has been made since the last time they met in February 2005.

Khubchandani said the June meeting is a chance for the doctors to get together before they meet with the respiratory chapter of the Indian Academy of Pediatrics this November in Delhi. At this meeting, Khubchandani and his fellow doctors will have to convince this academy about cystic fibrosis’ prevalence in India so they can spread their message throughout the country.

One of the issues that they will go over at the June and November meetings is identifying cystic fibrosis “hotspots,” according to Khubchandani.

For example, he said that if two people are found to have cystic fibrosis in one town, that town is identified as a hotspot. Then they can educate and train doctors in that town about cystic fibrosis and keep a database of cystic fibrosis patients.

He said this is important not only for their cystic fibrosis research, but it also prioritizes their resources since they cannot reach everyone right now.

Another issue for cystic fibrosis patients in India is the cost and availability of pharmaceutical drugs.

Kabra said it takes a lot of money to keep cystic fibrosis patients alive, and these drugs are also expensive. Noke had a similar problem with drugs when she was in Delhi, India, last summer.

While she was there, Noke said that a six-year-old boy with cystic fibrosis died, and the drug that could have kept him alive would have been easily available in the United States, for example.

“It could’ve — maybe not extended his life a long period — but it would have given him another year or helped him,” she said.

Kabra and the other doctors are getting a hand from Solvay Pharmaceuticals, a Germany-based drug company that has worked with cystic fibrosis groups around the world.

“Our goal is to establish [cystic fibrosis] as a disease in India which needs early diagnosis and treatment. [Cystic fibrosis] patients suffer and have a poor quality of life,” Susheel Sule, the general manager for Solvay Pharma India Ltd., said in an e-mail. “Our aim is to help diagnose [cystic fibrosis] and then help them to treat these patients and improve their quality of life.”

Sule said Solvay Pharma India funds diagnostic machines that are used for the epidemiological tests for cystic fibrosis. She added that her company is also marketing the product, Creon, which targets the pancreas.

On the optimistic side of all of this, if India does have 100,000 cystic fibrosis patients, they will become an untouched group for clinical drug trials, Noke said.

She said that new drug trials on cystic fibrosis patients in India could lead to new discoveries and eventual eradication of the disease around the world.

She added that cystic fibrosis patients in the United States and the United Kingdom are already using antibiotics, and they have actually built up a resistance to many drugs.

But many Indian patients have never taken any drugs and doctors could get “clear results” from patients to find out which drugs are successful. Noke added that this raises the possibility of not only curing cystic fibrosis patients in India, but around the world.

Noke’s goal with cystic fibrosis research is to find out if India possibly holds the largest number of cystic fibrosis patients in the world. She said other parts of South Asia — Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka — are still a question mark in the human genetics department.

“We don’t know what exists there. We could be looking at the largest population in the world sitting there and nobody knows it. So is it important to find out? Yeah,” she said.


42 posted on 02/03/2013 1:33:38 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: muawiyah

I understand, but distribution doesn’t mean Europeans are in physical contact with black rats like they once were when the plagues raged.

http://acsonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/BlueWhaleRangeMap-xsm.gif

Going by the distribution map of blue whales, you’d be led to believe they are teeming in numbers, in all the Earth’s oceans. They aren’t.


43 posted on 02/03/2013 1:37:55 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
That's why rats carry fleas! Remember, this is a multi-host disease. Rats to fleas to humans to humans to humans ~ and it takes several forms depending on how its transmitted.

Europe hasn't had a really good black plague since they got control of their rats ~ but that could disappear in a year with a bumper crop of rats.

44 posted on 02/03/2013 1:51:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: James C. Bennett
CF could be a new arrival in India but the most common mutation is 56,000 years old, and that means EVERY ethnic group in Central or Western Asia has got to have some carriers, and so far every DNA genome study in India has revealed that every individual has some Persian marker genes ~ and Iranians are mentioned in that article I referred to as having CF carriers.

Not surprising at all CF was overlooked in India ~ it used to be overlooked in the US and Europe. In fact, it wasn't until the 1930s before they could distinguish between CF and Coeliac.

45 posted on 02/03/2013 1:58:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: James C. Bennett
A bit below the belt, don't you think? Most modern "facebook" women don't do laundry, cook, housekeep and are looking for a way to be a stay-in-bed mom. They soon find out that you can ditch dad and take his wallet (search engine: Title IV-D) There need not be any culpability on the dad's part. Not to say that both parties don't have flaws. I say this as a first wife who never received any child support for my two children in the eighties, worked two jobs, yet kept a clean house and raised two productive children to adulthood successfully and one whose 2nd hubby is indebted for pretty much life paying an ex-shrew who is a CHILD PROTECTIVE worker who doesn't parent, $1,000 a month on a $15 an hour salary.

And whose children have been alienated from him by the ex-shrew AND whose children are massively failing at school and on mega meds, yet told by the school district that his opinion "doesn't count" since he's non-custodial. Obviously you live in a RED state where father's rights still apply.

46 posted on 02/03/2013 2:19:53 PM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Kaslin

Europe is not being conquered or killed. It is committing mass suicide.

And the suicide is coming here.


47 posted on 02/03/2013 2:52:05 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: James C. Bennett

We were about to get married. We had an argument about her controlling aspects. I still wanted to get married and be her husband but she would have none of it and ordered me out.

I complied.

I begged her to reconsider.

She declined.

In the end I feel as if I dodged a bullet but I desperately hope our son didn’t catch it. As far as I’m concerned it’s all about him now.

I don’t begrudge her the child support but she necessitated the lawsuit. Her idea of access was 15 minutes a week. The court’s idea was three hours with the option of more should I jump through a myriad of hoops and prove it.

I didn’t even challenge her custody. I just want to be a father to our son. I love and want to have a hand in raising him.

It seems as if the forces of culture and the government are against that.

I honestly don’t know what to do other then hope, pray and carry on alone.


48 posted on 02/03/2013 2:59:18 PM PST by Anvilhead (In my lifetime we've gone from citizens to subjects.)
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To: G Larry
It was obvious then that the native European’s were contracepting and aborting themselves into oblivion and were being supplanted by the non-aborting Muslims.

Wonder when the Euros will begin to recognize Planned Parenthood and the eugenics crowd as having been a malign influence -- a different sort of malignity, but nevertheless as malign in their own way as the Nazi eugenicists and SS-Ahnenerben were in theirs?

49 posted on 02/04/2013 4:08:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: James C. Bennett
[Your quoted source] “The frequency of cystic fibrosis in the Caucasian population varies from 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 2,500 children, which is very, very high. But in India, we do not know what is the frequency,” he said.

This information won't surprise anyone who knows that northern Indians who carry the genetic legacy of Sanskrit-speakers are, in fact, Caucasian. The point of closest affinity among the Western branches of the family (who spoke the so-called "centum" languages) is with the Greeks, whose own language is a borderline member of the "satem" branch.

The Vedic hymns record the name of an enemy people who lived on the Russian steppe in the age before the Vedic speakers migrated and, eventually, descended on India in their primitive chariots. The enemy people were called danawo, and they may have been the Proto-Greek danawoi', who became first Homer's Danaan Greeks (who were the people who actually brought the Greek language to Greece and fought beneath the walls of Troy), and then the Danuna whose likenesses the Egyptians recorded on their monumental friezes celebrating Egypt's existential victories over the Sea Peoples under Merenptah and Ramesses III; and finally, after they settled in the Levant under Egyptian pacification and proselytized to the Jews and their religion, the Biblical Tribe of Dan.

No people has ever had such an amazingly long career arc through the great and sacred literature and monuments of antiquity, and no fewer than four great civilizations.

50 posted on 02/04/2013 4:30:05 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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