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Mark Kelly On Fox Presses For Background Checks: ‘This Isn’t About The Second Amendment Anymore’
mediaite.com ^ | February 4, 2013 | Meenal Vamburkar

Posted on 02/03/2013 1:31:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Mark Kelly, husband of former Rep. Gabby Giffords, spoke to Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday this week, reiterating his support for universal background checks and responding to the NRA’s anti-gun control arguments. Simply put, Kelly said, less people would die due to gun violence if the legislation were put in place.

Wallace looked to the example of Jared Loughner, the gunman who opened fire in Arizona, killing and injuring many, including Giffords. He passed a background check, Wallace noted.

Loughner clearly was mentally ill, Kelly said — and if his condition was entered into the background check system, presumably he would not pass. Arizona, he said, hadn’t entered 121,000 records into the system, and that could certainly make a difference given that 1.7 million have been rejected since 1999.

Wallace further asked what difference a limit a restriction on high-capacity magazines would be make. Kelly replied that it does matter, because the time spent reloading is time for others to restrain the person.

Next on the list was the controversial assault weapons ban, which the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre vehemently opposes. Previously, LaPierre has said, the ban didn’t work, so it’s not necessary now.

“I don’t know if it worked or not,” Kelly said. “I haven’t at all the statistics. Common sense tells me that if it is much more difficult for criminals and the mentally ill to get assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and guns in general, we will save lives.”

Having served in the military, Kelly said he knows the value of assault weapons — in when used in mass shootings, more people die. He did agree with LaPierre that many gun laws need to be better enforced, but also asserted the need to close the gun show/private seller loopholes.

“This isn’t about the Second Amendment anymore,” Kelly said. “This is about public safety.”

There isn’t sufficient legislation, he continued, leading Wallace to point out the NRA’s political clout and ask how much, realistically, can be achieved on the gun control front.

Both sides of the aisle agree we need to do something, he said. It’s not going to be easy, but we need “common sense” answers. “I know the value of an assault weapon, and it’s to kill a lot of people very quickly,” Kelly added.

Asked for his message, “man to man,” to LaPierre (who was on in the next segment), Kelly said: He’ll say background checks don’t work, but that’s not true.

“I hope Mr. LaPierre can think about what would his members want,” he said. “Seventy-four percent of NRA members think it is a very reasonable thing to do to have a background check before buying a gun. … I hope he would listen to his membership because members of the NRA tend to be very reasonable on this issue.”


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1 posted on 02/03/2013 1:31:39 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No, it’s always about the second Amendment. There is never a time when, you want to infringe in some way, that it’s not going to be about it.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 1:34:06 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Has this guy been a lifelong Baraqqi, or just fall into the trap after hooking up with a Dem chick in 07?


3 posted on 02/03/2013 1:35:10 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wonder how much Kelly is making on this tour.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 1:37:16 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mark Kelly, spokesman for the assclown...trying to pretend the Constitution isn't relevant...


5 posted on 02/03/2013 1:37:16 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If he’s an astronaut, I assume he is former or current military, right? And he doesn’t know that a firearm can be reloaded in 2-3 seconds? Huh?


6 posted on 02/03/2013 1:37:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There’s a ton of info on Loughner that has been kept quiet. I was stunned when I started googling..


7 posted on 02/03/2013 1:39:19 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yes, Mark, it is about the Second Amendment and always has been. Educate yourself, maybe even you can learn something.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 1:41:08 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Can we have background checks on all elected officials, Herr Kelly? Like Barack Obama?

Or would that not fit your agenda?

9 posted on 02/03/2013 1:43:56 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is about money. Sarah brady move over. Gabby Giffords is the new gun control poster child. Psst honey. We can make lots of money protesting guns


10 posted on 02/03/2013 1:50:13 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They already have background checks except for the illegal and criminals.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 1:53:06 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

BUT, BUT, BUT Joe Biden said the gun laws we have on hand now cannot be enforced because there are not enforcers to do it....so why do we need more gun laws??????Hmmmmm????


12 posted on 02/03/2013 1:57:11 PM PST by tillacum
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To: nascarnation

The latter


13 posted on 02/03/2013 1:57:18 PM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I live in AZ CD 2, Gabby Giffords old district. The talk here is that Mr. Kelly wants a political future, and he is using his wife’s issue to obtain it. The question is: what office will he seek - her old congressional seat, AZ governor (2014) or John McCain’s seat (2016). Ms. Giffords has achieved sainthood down here and he easily could capitalize on it.


14 posted on 02/03/2013 2:02:51 PM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How can they rationalize placing medical health records (mental health) into a national background check database when the records are protected by doctor/patient confidentiality and HIPPA privacy standards. Access to the background check system is via phone call so a breach of security is only a phone call away.

Regards,
GtG

15 posted on 02/03/2013 2:05:25 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A gun control whore just like his wife.


16 posted on 02/03/2013 2:06:17 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I object to background checks for several reasons, primarily that it provides a permanent record of a transaction thereby acting as a de facto registration, wastes time and money, and restricts trade. Every gun owner I know involved in private sale transactions is aware of the responsibility associated with the transfer of a firearm. Most sales are to friends and/or fellow collectors. Because I have a common name, I’ve had to wait over a day to get permission to buy a gun. In the world of collectible firearms, many an opportunity to acquire a desired item would be lost just waiting for approval. And then there’s always the question: “What do you really accomplish by having a background check?” Do most guns used in crimes come from legal transactions or were they stolen or black market firearms? I think we overlook the obvious; that someone with intent to do harm will do so, whether it be guns, hammers, poison, fertilizer, bats or whatever as the method of delivery.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 2:12:16 PM PST by Boomer One
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To: Tailgunner Joe

permits require permission... which can be withheld

a right cannot be withheld... only denied

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

exactly how did some govt flunky get the ability to deny me my rights? show me the Constitutional foundation for it


18 posted on 02/03/2013 2:15:14 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You are correct...why should be submit to more scrutiny than our elected officials submit to?

My background check is under Obama’s birth certificate.


19 posted on 02/03/2013 2:20:15 PM PST by willyd (Don't shoot, we're Republicans!)
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To: conservativehistorian

I see he’s working for Elon Musk now, I wonder if that is an influence also?


20 posted on 02/03/2013 2:23:13 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“I know the value of an assault weapon, and it’s to kill very quickly any crazy AR-15 armed nut bent on massacreing kids about to enter a school,” I added.


21 posted on 02/03/2013 2:28:38 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mr Gabby is in this for money and attention. His wife was shot with a pistol, not an “assault weapon”. He’s another Sara Brady, a hanger-on exploiting a personal tragedy for profit. He is scum.


22 posted on 02/03/2013 2:44:07 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Merchant Marine Academy, Naval Aviator.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 2:47:55 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Jonty30

In a sense, he’s right. It is, first and foremost in the minds of the obamas, feinsteins, schumers and so on, about their inexorable march toward absolute power, through the creation of a massive imbalance of force between the government and its employers. Very similar to a cabal of capos conspiring to overthrow and assassinate the don in order to split all the goodies among themselves.


24 posted on 02/03/2013 2:54:26 PM PST by DPMD
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Less people would be killed on the street if we were all marched to a gulag. I decline!


25 posted on 02/03/2013 3:05:41 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If he’s an astronaut, I assume he is former or current military, right? And he doesn’t know that a firearm can be reloaded in 2-3 seconds? Huh?

He was an A-6 pilot on the USS Midway in Japan. Except for the Seals and EOD guys, the Navy isn't crazy about shipboard people having personal firearms. There is very little firearms training in flight school.

26 posted on 02/03/2013 3:09:14 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: conservativehistorian
"I live in AZ CD 2, Gabby Giffords old district. The talk here is that Mr. Kelly wants a political future, and he is using his wife’s issue to obtain it. The question is: what office will he seek - her old congressional seat, AZ governor (2014) or John McCain’s seat (2016). Ms. Giffords has achieved sainthood down here and he easily could capitalize on it.

Do you mean something like the brady gang?

“This is about public safety.”

I have some health problems and the only I can keep my wife safe is with a firearm of my choice. I guess mr kelly was to big a wuss to protect his wife.

27 posted on 02/03/2013 3:09:40 PM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: All
BS he doesn't know whether the ban worked or not, there's a lie right there. It's easier to say he doesn't know than to admit it didn't work.

But he has absolute moral authority because his wife was shot. So just do what he says and don't sweat the details. It's a shame.
28 posted on 02/03/2013 3:12:26 PM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How long would it take before every non-communist in the country was classified as having an “anti-social personality disorder”?


29 posted on 02/03/2013 3:15:20 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ozzymandus

Mr Gabby = space cadet


30 posted on 02/03/2013 3:26:57 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mark Kelly’s had nothing original to say.

He simply regurgitated all the same talking points we have heard over and over again and that have been debunked over and over again.

This man is a puppet who once wore a spacesuit.


31 posted on 02/03/2013 3:30:25 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: conservativehistorian

That’s the impression I get...This is all the predicate to his own political aspirations. Just like Sandra Fluck. I foudn him rather unimpressive in the Wallace interview. He got all soft and disoriented when asked about any legislation’s chance for passage.


32 posted on 02/03/2013 3:32:09 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Simply put, Kelly said, less people would die due to gun violence if the legislation were put in place.

Not 'Less people would die'.

But 'less people would die due to gun violence'.

See, stabbings, strangulations, poisonings, bludgeonings, suffocations, drownings, death by fire, crashing into victims with cars, all these are FINE. It's *gun* violence. *THAT'S* the problem.

Y'see.

33 posted on 02/03/2013 3:34:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: knife6375
I guess mr kelly was to big a wuss to protect his wife.

I despise Kelly, but this is unfair, and a heinous comment. Almost wondering if it should be flagged for removal.

34 posted on 02/03/2013 3:36:51 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Sacajaweau

...”Wonder how much Kelly is making on this tour.”...

It is difficult not to wonder about those things, isn’t it? I watched the softball interview done by liberal Chris Wallace and I was not impressed with him or with Kelly.


35 posted on 02/03/2013 3:47:14 PM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Sacajaweau

...”Wonder how much Kelly is making on this tour.”...

It is difficult not to wonder about those things, isn’t it? I watched the softball interview done by liberal Chris Wallace and I was not impressed with him or with Kelly.


36 posted on 02/03/2013 3:47:21 PM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Lazamataz

Gloria Bunker: “Daddy don’t you know 10,000 people a year are killed by handguns!’’. Archie Bunker: “Little girl, would ya feel any better if dey wuz pushed outta windows?’’.


37 posted on 02/03/2013 3:49:03 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
‘This Isn’t About The Second Amendment Anymore’

Says you.

38 posted on 02/03/2013 3:57:20 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: ozzymandus

...”Mr Gabby is in this for money and attention. His wife was shot with a pistol, not an “assault weapon”. He’s another Sara Brady, a hanger-on exploiting a personal tragedy for profit. He is scum.”...

I agree with you.


39 posted on 02/03/2013 3:58:02 PM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: ALPAPilot

I’d say your experience would have been different on a Cruiser, Destroyer or Frigate. We trained the whole crew often on everything from 50 cal MGs and smaller. We had a privately owned sniper rifle on the bridge because Surf-Pac wouldn’t give us one.


40 posted on 02/03/2013 4:06:46 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Lazamataz

do what you gotta do.


41 posted on 02/03/2013 4:07:24 PM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: Boomer One

Why is the SERIAL NUMBER and MODEL NUMBER needed for a background check?

It seems to me that you should ONLY check the person and be done with it. Nothing is gained with serial and model numbers,UNLESS someone is trying to build up a database for later confiscation (which, of course, our government denies they want to do)


42 posted on 02/03/2013 4:08:13 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Another Brady Bunch, trading on tragedy and sympathy to push their leftist agenda.


43 posted on 02/03/2013 4:10:45 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Loughner clearly was mentally ill, Kelly said — and if his condition was entered into the background check system, presumably he would not pass. Arizona, he said, hadn’t entered 121,000 records into the system, and that could certainly make a difference given that 1.7 million have been rejected since 1999.

This sort of skin-deep reasoning amuses me. It's like the old story about the guy who encounters a drunk on his hands and knees groveling around in the street. The guy asks him what he's doing and the drunk replies, "I'm looking for my keys". The man, wanting to be helpful, joins the search asking, "Where did you have them last?"

The drunk points down the road. The man asks why he's is all the way over here and the drunk replies

"The light is better over here"

They know what the proximate cause is but they're either to lazy or just too dishonest to fix the root problem. It's easier to attack the innocent.

44 posted on 02/03/2013 4:11:51 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kelly is using this issue and his wife as the conduit to a cushy retirement job, U.S. Senator.....I have no doubt about it.

In any event, he's starting to get on my nerves. He's the Left's newest poster boy. He's everywhere.....like a beady-eyed little ferret that gets in your basement and annoys the hell out of you trying to get rid of it.

Leni

45 posted on 02/03/2013 4:19:13 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Tailgunner Joe
‘This Isn’t About The Second Amendment Anymore’

I take it they are openly talking sedition now!?!

46 posted on 02/03/2013 4:24:39 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I guess it's just me, but when my House was burglarized a few years ago, I was and still am angry with the Perp, not the crowbar he used to pry open the door.

And no, the Cops never caught him (or her).

Looks like I'm starting to dislike Astronauts as much as I dislike Clowns.

47 posted on 02/03/2013 4:27:13 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If his Wife slipped in the shower and hit her head on the faucet handle, he could blame Delta or Price Pfister.

Yep, pretty mean comment, but I think people trying to abridge my God Given Constitutional Rights deserve all the ridicule I can muster.

48 posted on 02/03/2013 4:37:23 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Background check to help insure firearms don’t get into the hands of the mentally ill...certainly sounds like a good idea.
But, who gets to decide what is ‘mentally ill’?

Universal background checks on all firearms transfers...sounds like a good idea. But, will the criminals comply?

In point of fact, neither of these ideas would have prevented Newtown.

The only proper immediate response to an armed bad-guy is an equally or better armed good-guy. The police have no obligation to protect anyone, and are mere minutes away when seconds count.

Arm yourself, protect yourself, defend yourself.


49 posted on 02/03/2013 4:45:15 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: freekitty

Add presidents to that list.


50 posted on 02/03/2013 4:46:45 PM PST by slouper (Love it or leave it.)
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