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Harry Reid to guarantee government shutdown by insisting on more 'revenue' in budget talks
American Thinker ^ | Sunday, February 3, 2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 02/03/2013 7:44:37 PM PST by upchuck

As long as the majority leader insists that "revenue increases" are part of any package to keep the government running, House Republicans will oppose him....

There is no way that closing tax "loopholes" for the rich is going to generate the kind of revenue that will satisfy the voracious appetite for cash that Reid and his boss possess. And there's no guarantee they would follow through on any budget cuts, especially those that would hit Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

But Reid isn't interested in revenue so much as placing the blame for any government shutdown on Republicans. He and his boss in the White House think they can spin any breakdown in negotiations and make it look like the GOP's fault.

In this, they may be successful. What their strategy will do to the economy appears to be a concern furthest from their minds.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: governmentshutdown; harryreid
Reid and nobama want to destroy the Republicans. 'bout damned time!
1 posted on 02/03/2013 7:44:41 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

The American people view the GOP as a bunch of hypocrites and buffoons.

The GOP lost ALL credibility on the debt and the deficit with Bush.

Why in the world shouldn’t Reid stick it to Republicans? They have asked for it.

It is time to SMASH the GOP and start a new GENUINE conservative party.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 7:55:51 PM PST by Perkalong (GOP 2013 = Whigs 1856)
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To: upchuck

Lie...then Steal....

then Lie again...Then Steal again....

etc...etc...etc...


3 posted on 02/03/2013 7:59:28 PM PST by LtKerst
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To: upchuck

I wish the Repubs would simply say to Whore House Harry, “You’ve lied before, you’ll lie again. We don’t trust you because you are a slimy b*stard, and as such, are in your rightful place as a senator.”


4 posted on 02/03/2013 8:00:51 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: upchuck

If the Republicans can’t spin in their favor any government shutdown that results from Democrat demands for yet MORE confiscation, then they deserve to die as a party.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 8:02:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Perkalong

“It is time to SMASH the GOP and start a new GENUINE conservative party.”

Yeah let’s give the Dems what they want!!!

Let’s wipe the GOP party out. It will only take another generation or two to rebuild a truly conservative party. And by that time we will be a full fledged socialistic country. yea !!!

Yes - this sounds stupid.... who are these people who want to wipe out the GOP and who do they work for ?

If you can’t elect conservatives in the primaries what makes you think you can create a party with enough influence to actually take an office? Do the hard work and reform the GOP


6 posted on 02/03/2013 8:08:28 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: upchuck
"The American people are on our side", [said Reid]...

Ol' Harry meant the "media", not the people, but he often gets them confused. The truth is, unless Harry and his overload (Zero) make some compromises/concessions, the Repubs have no incentive to make any agreements with the Dems. They got burned last time, not that the folding-lawn-chair party would learn from that. Spending cuts first, then we'll talk about more taxes.

7 posted on 02/03/2013 8:09:39 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: mike_9958

The people who are saying things like that either have deep pockets themselves, or are just chomping at the bit to see this great Country brought to its knees.

I agree with you, it’s stupid.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 8:10:21 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: upchuck
As long as the majority leader insists that "revenue increases" are part of any package to keep the government running, House Republicans will oppose him....

The last 5 words above are an out and out lie and most of us recognize it. Boner and his gang cannot wait to hand nobama the keys to the castle.
9 posted on 02/03/2013 8:19:08 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: upchuck

The Republicans will huff and puff, and then they will cave.

No difference now than when they agreed to this sequestration BS last year.

The Smart thing to do is close down the Government.

It’s not like they are going to get elected again anyway.


10 posted on 02/03/2013 8:19:19 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mike_9958

If we cannot get people that will stand up for us why bother to elect people that won’t,. Screw the GOP it’s dead anyway.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 8:21:29 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

“If we cannot get people that will stand up for us why bother to elect people that won’t...”

So your solution is to trash the only the party that comes close to being conservative and you are offering what?

Nothing.... that is fantastic, you are brilliant.

The GOP is far from dead.... but it’s folks like you that probably would like it to be dead.... you like the dems better ?


12 posted on 02/03/2013 8:26:56 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

“So your solution is to trash the only the party that comes close to being conservative and you are offering what?”

It is the GOP Establishment that is currently trashing conservatives!

The GOP Establishment has sandbagged GENUINE conservatives to no end and continues to foist upon us candidates “who can win the moderates” (but never do).


13 posted on 02/03/2013 8:49:30 PM PST by Perkalong (GOP 2013 = Whigs 1856)
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To: mike_9958

“...the party that comes close to being conservative...”

You do realize that ‘close’ is more like an imitation. An imitation of a Conservative that caves to liberals and votes for liberal proposals and promises is no better than the liberals making those proposals.

We now have the elite pubs declaring all out war on Conservatives because their entire power structure DEPENDS on maintaining the status quo.

I don’t like the staus quo. Do you?


14 posted on 02/03/2013 9:23:11 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: upchuck

They just raised taxes (ostensibly to help reduce the deficit) and two weeks later spent the entire tax increase on a 60 billion dollar pork stuffed hurricane relief bill.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 1:40:30 AM PST by circlecity
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To: mike_9958; Perkalong

Perkalong is correct, Bush destroyed the GOP. It is now a ruined brand.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 2:54:24 AM PST by jpsb
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To: upchuck

Reid and Obama are pure evil. They have not been seduced by the dark side of the force. They ARE the dark side of the force.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 4:21:25 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: upchuck

2/3 of all gub mint is worthless anyway,
Don’t just shut it down, FIRE em.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 4:58:41 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: mike_9958

I like to have a real choice. Notwhat we are being offered. If you are willing to constantly get screwed by those you elect, that’s fine. I have a belly full of it.

The Republican party has left me not I, it.

You go ahead and continue voting for people who say one thing and do another, people eho drink with their Dem buddies and then vote against those who elected them. I am tired of it

How many times do you have to watch the repubicans cave in before you start to THINK. We don’t have a party we have a clusterf**k.


19 posted on 02/04/2013 4:59:23 AM PST by Venturer
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To: jpsb

“Perkalong is correct, Bush destroyed the GOP. It is now a ruined brand.”

That’s bull. Think about it. Bush was one of the successful presidents. Thriving economy, low unemployment, ..... the opposite of what we have today.

Who “is destroying the GOP brand” - the MSM who resonated the Dem lines.

Then we have “conservatives” who simply won’t stop bashing the GOP. You have Obama and Plouffe trying to destroy the brand and you have “conservatives” helping them. Yeah I’m sure Conservatives want to destroy the GOP....wake up.

If you are a conservative stand with your party... don’t do Obama’s work for him.


20 posted on 02/04/2013 5:02:32 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Venturer

“We don’t have a party we have a clusterf**k”

Then you change it... you fight.

Or from what I read from many - you can run away. Your kids and grandkids will wonder.... why didn’t you try?


21 posted on 02/04/2013 5:05:56 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: MestaMachine

“I don’t like the staus quo. Do you?”

Nope, but I know things won’t change all at once and “Elections have consequences”.

You get all these so called conservatives staying home and not voting and guess what, the conservatives you do have don’t having any clout or power. So the ones left have to try to govern... and just get bitched at. Why don’t they get some support? When the “fiscal cliff” was all GOP... we got the dems to make the tax cuts permanent for Christ-sake.

Everyone bitches about Bush but Frist and Hastert were the pieces of crap that let us all down.

So sure abandon the GOP and let’s get Pelosi back as speaker - that worked so well 4 years ago. Maybe she’ll national the energy companies or give us carbon tax - that would be great.


22 posted on 02/04/2013 5:17:54 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks upchuck.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 7:57:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: mike_9958

That’s exactly what the Tea Party has been doing.

How Far have they gotten?

What sense in beating a dead Horse?


24 posted on 02/05/2013 4:21:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: mike_9958

The Dems already get everything they want. The GOP has failed at being the opposition party.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 4:26:03 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: mike_9958

I fought against it for 20 years. And the old guard was and is alive and well. It still is. The only way to reform the GOP is to let it die.


26 posted on 02/05/2013 4:29:59 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Da Coyote
We don’t trust you because you are a slimy b*stard

Careful with all the complements. Harry might get aroused and his foreskin will fly up over his ears.

27 posted on 02/05/2013 4:34:01 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: upchuck

Got a budget yet, Comrade Reid?


28 posted on 02/05/2013 4:35:32 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Venturer; Solson

“What sense in beating a dead Horse?”

Seriously?

You guys aren’t the sterling examples of the boys I’d expect to be part of site that admires and celebrates the American spirit. If you don’t want to be part of a team then just take your keyboard and mouse and go home.

Either that or if you are part of the other team, take your strategy of trying to breed conflict in the GOP party and take a hike.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 5:27:28 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: upchuck

bttt


30 posted on 02/05/2013 5:38:28 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: timestax
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31 posted on 02/05/2013 5:39:14 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: mike_9958

Mike:

I am so glad you are happy with the Republican party.

I am sure they are happy with you and your acceptance of the way they are bending over to accept Domocrat policies and their acceptance of a traitor as Secretary of State.I assume you too feel that John Kerry is the best man for the job, and would have voted with your fellows in the Senate to confirm him.

I suppose you will accept Obamacare and the sequestration that is coming up too.

I am sorry, I do not agree with you nor with the way the Republicans cave in every chance they get. I do not feel that your friends Boehner and McConnell are doing a proper job either, but if you are happy withb them, that’s all that matters.

I am certainly not a part of the other team,but I suspect you are since you are so happy with Republican actions.

Also I do not feel that my concerns with the Republican party outlaw me from this site, but if they do I feel certain I will be zotted.

You see I am a Conservative,and I do not enjoy being sold out by Republicans such as John McCain, Lyndsey Graham and those who forced me to make a choice between Liberal-moderate Mitt Romney, and the spawn of the Devil Barrack Obama. However if you are happy with the party, that is all that matters.


32 posted on 02/06/2013 5:27:48 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

“I am so glad you are happy with the Republican party.”

Are you off your meds? Where did I say I was happy with party, as well as all the other ASSumptions you made on my behalf.

I’m just not a coward like you and give up when things don’t go my way.

Now either step up to continue the fight for the soul of the GOP or step off and go join your buddies in the Green party - or wherever your kind like to hang out and complain.

You remind me of those old ladies sitting around complaining how the world is so messed up but won’t get off your ass to do anything. So if your just going to watch - do so quietly.


33 posted on 02/06/2013 9:10:25 AM PST by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
Dude, f off. I'm not looking to be an example for a party that has CONTINUALLY undermined conservative efforts and the true "American spirit." I have worked for 25+ years within the Republican Party to hold the line on the diminishing rights of American citizens. And virtually that entire time, I have had to fight, within the party, against those who, within our party, want to dictate what we "should believe."

You're relatively new here. I'm not. In fact, I've been around Free Republic since 2007. And I'm confident that Jim Robinson is much more in agreement with the need to remake the Republican Party because, we know, that indeed "something is rotten in the State of Denmark."

Clearly you want to demonize and eliminate those who might not agree with you which is what I find typical of those without the ability to make their case. Good luck.

34 posted on 02/06/2013 9:11:08 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: mike_9958

The fact is , I can do as I please, and you can KMA.

If you are in love with the Republican party stay in it until it dies,as it is surely doing. We have watched them with Dole With McCain,and now with Romney and they lost each time, and you think we are going to change them.

Well Good friggin luck.
I am not a life long lover of the Republican party, I don’t vote a straight party ticket. I pick and choose, I left the Democrat party when they elected Bill Clinton, and I will leave the Republican party when I feel they have left me.
That is the feeling I now get, they have left me.

But you stay there and help Rubio get his Amnesty, watch Boehner and McConnell cave in on the debt, and keep saying you can change them

Insanity is doing the same thing and thinking you will get a different answer.Sticking with Carl Rove, John McCain Boehner, and Mcconnell is insane.What you will get is caught in the cave in.


35 posted on 02/06/2013 11:31:12 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Solson

“Dude, f off”

Classy. You talk to your kids with that mouth...yeah your a sterling example of what your kind is.

You’ve been around since 2007... noob.

Listen “newbie” because you want to give up on the GOP and hide and you lost your will gives you the right to go away and shut up... I’m not demonizing anyone. I just want the naysayers who would rather have Dems in leadership positions to go away. You and your ilk complain and complain about the GOP but never say anything constructive.... your not helping any conservative cause. You might as well be a lib - if you aren’t


36 posted on 02/06/2013 5:15:38 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Venturer

“The fact is , I can do as I please, and you can KMA.”

Oh look another classy troll.... ya’ll just hate being called out.

“I left the Democrat party when they elected Bill Clinton”

So you went Repub for GWB and now your back to your Dem ways. So go play with your buddies at DU and go away. We need people that build us up not tear us down. We need positive conservative ideas to fight the Dem media machine not cry babies who resonate the MSM.

“What you will get is caught in the cave in.”

There won’t be a cave in - politics ebbs and flows.... when it moves in your direction you got to push to make an impact....simple.


37 posted on 02/06/2013 5:25:06 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

What is your problem you frickin idiot.


38 posted on 02/06/2013 8:13:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mike_9958

This site could really use an ignore button so we could ignore pains in the ass.

You could ignore me and vice versa.Definitely vice versa


39 posted on 02/06/2013 8:17:10 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer; mike_9958

I left the Democrat party when they elected Bill Clinton, and I will leave the Republican party when I feel they have left me.


The last Democrat President before Clinton was Jimmy Carter. Did you support Jimmy Carter?

What about Mondale?


40 posted on 02/06/2013 8:17:41 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mike_9958
In was 1997 actually. My mistake.

as far as the rest, I'm not a douche sitting behind a keyboard like you. I'm actually active locally and regionally and do more by 5 am than you've done in a week. So keep it up big boy.

41 posted on 02/07/2013 4:37:32 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I didn’t support Carter nor Mondale, but it take a while to make a move, just like it has taken a while for Republicans to move away from me.


42 posted on 02/07/2013 4:56:08 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer; Rides_A_Red_Horse

“What is your problem you frickin idiot.”

Are you still talking?

You the guy who stopped being a dem when Clinton was elected so you didn’t support Reagan but you did support Carter?

LOL - you are a loser aren’t you?

why do you even bother after a comment like that.... man you even humiliate libs... not to mention the folks here.


43 posted on 02/07/2013 2:17:50 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Solson

” My mistake.”

Dude your mistake was actually trying to justify your horrible positions and thinking someone besides you believes that dems occupying leadership positions is a good thing.

And I’m sure you make some contribution by 5am, even its a visit to the crapper for a deposit. But as far as your contribution to an impact that will help change direction in Washington - you can’t muster the energy to even vote against the libs. You seem content to resonate the MSM and play the game Obama wants you to play - just go play somewhere else newbie, or grow a pair and get in there and support the only party that can beat the dems.


44 posted on 02/07/2013 2:29:49 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Venturer

I didn’t support Carter nor Mondale, but it take a while to make a move, just like it has taken a while for Republicans to move away from me.


It’s just that you said Clinton caused you to leave the Dem Party. Clinton was bad, but Carter was worse!


45 posted on 02/07/2013 2:56:46 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Clinto was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

I vote for who I think is the best person for the job and parties never mant much to me and really do not even now.

In local elections I often vote for Demosrats, if they are more to my liking than Democrats. I would vote for a democrat fo President if I felt one was, Qualified, American, and Conservative.

Any chance of that happening?

I joined for Conservative issues and Republicans are selling out to moderates and leftists. I have about had enough and I am not alone.


46 posted on 02/07/2013 3:24:43 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Did you vote for Reagan in either election?


47 posted on 02/07/2013 4:20:46 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I did vote for Reagan. Twice


48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:04:19 AM PST by Venturer
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