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Where Will You Go if America Collapses?
Townhall.com ^ | February 4, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 02/04/2013 6:26:56 AM PST by Kaslin

A reader from New York has a follow-up question for me.

Referencing a “Question of the Week” from last month, in which I expressed guarded optimism that America could be saved, she wants to know what I would do if things go the wrong way.

In other words, what if things go really wrong and America suffers a Greek-style fiscal collapse? And imagine how bad that might be since there wouldn’t be an IMF or European Central Bank capable of providing bailouts to the United States.

Perhaps because of an irrational form of patriotism, I’m fairly certain that I will always live in the United States and I will be fighting to preserve (or restore) liberty until my last breath.

But I probably would want my children someplace safe and stable, so I’ll answer the question from that perspective.

The obvious first choice is a zero-income tax jurisdiction like the Cayman Islands that is prosperous and reasonably well governed.

But I’m not sure about the long-run outlook for the Cayman Islands, in part because the politicians there have flirted with an income tax and in part because the jurisdiction inevitably would suffer if the United States was falling apart.

So what’s a place that is stable and not overly tied to the American economy.

Then the obvious choice is Switzerland. That nation’s long-run fiscal outlook is relatively favorable because of  modest-sized government and a very good spending control mechanism.

But while Switzerland is not dependent on the U.S. economy, it is surrounded by European welfare states. And I’m fairly certain that nations such as France, Italy, and (perhaps) Germany will collapse before America.

And even though most Swiss households have machine guns and the nation presumably can defend itself from barbarian hordes in search of a new welfare check, Switzerland’s probably not the ideal location.

Estonia is one of my favorite countries, and they’ve implemented some good reforms such as the flat tax. But I worry about demographic decline. Plus, I’m a weather wimp and it’s too chilly most of the year.

Another option is a stable nation in Latin America, perhaps Chile, Panama, or Costa Rica. I haven’t been to Chile, but I’m very impressed by the nation’s incredible progress in recent decades. I have been to Panama many times and it is one of my favorite nations. I’ve only been to Costa Rica two times, but it also seems like a nice country.

The bad news is that I don’t speak Spanish (and my kids don’t speak the language, either). The good news is that Hispanics appear to be the world’s happiest people, so that should count for something.

“G’day mate, we’ve privatized our social security system!”

This brings me to Australia, the country that probably would be at the top of my list. The burden of government spending in Australia is less than it is in the United States.

But the gap isn’t that large. The reason I like Australia is that the nation has a privatized Social Security system (called Superannuation) and the long-run fiscal outlook is much, much better than the United States.

Plus the Aussies are genuinely friendly and they speak an entertaining form of English.

So if America goes under, I recommend going Down Under.


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1 posted on 02/04/2013 6:27:02 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Im in and out of the country all the time....if civil war breaks out I’ll stay home and join the fight.
Thats that!


2 posted on 02/04/2013 6:29:23 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Kaslin

My take has been that if America collapses, the rest of the world will too. In fact, the rest of the world may do it first. This means that being an ex-patriot in places like Thailand could be physically dangerous.

So, in 2008 (just before the election) I bought a small farm in central Kentucky. It’s an entire finger of a plateau about 80 feet above a beautiful valley. I moved there from my 45 year home of Seattle in late summer of 2011.

I confess that the reason I can stay sane about what has been happening in the world and, specifically, US politics and economy, is that I am no longer dependant on the infrastructure as I was in Seattle.

Bottom line: For me the answer was to stay within the US and move to a commonwealth.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 6:31:31 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

You think you can escape the collapse of America?

I doubt it. I’ll be in my front room, shooting intruders until done.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 6:32:26 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Kaslin
Where will I go?

More than likely the cemetery.

LFOD.

5 posted on 02/04/2013 6:32:33 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Kaslin

Since I guess I’ll die here, then I suppose Heaven.


6 posted on 02/04/2013 6:34:08 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: cuban leaf

I agree. If one was going to flee it should be to an English speaking primarily Christian country. Gringos in central and south America would be brutalized.

But, as you said, you can’t escape the global collapse anyway.


7 posted on 02/04/2013 6:34:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

I’ll be sitting in my living room, armed, and just waiting for the idiot urban dwellers who don’t have 2 days worth of food set aside coming to take what they need.

Horrible thought, but when you have millions of people dependent on others for every basic need in life and have those lifelines crumble its going to be hell on earth for a while here.


8 posted on 02/04/2013 6:40:18 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Kaslin

I frankly don’t know... I suppose I’ll be doing my best defending my family, fending off intruders and ultimately dying in the process. The dark side will be taking out houses with armed drones, so I just hope it’s quick when my time comes.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:01 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Dead Corpse

Best answer.


10 posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:04 AM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: Kaslin

I learned many years ago to move toward the sounds of the battle. Put down democrats, take what they have as spoils of war and work to reestablish the Constitution.


11 posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:50 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: cripplecreek

I will add this, though: If the US government kicked me out and would give me a one way ticket to anywhere in the world to relocate, it would be a no-brainer: Austrailia. I remember commenting about it to a couple of guys complaining about paying alimony back in the mid-1980’s. For me it’s ALWAYS been Austrailia.

But finding a rural area in the US surrounded by like minded people is far better.


12 posted on 02/04/2013 6:47:23 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin
You can't be a packin' down under.

The guy who was the real-life Crocodile Dundee (his name was not Dundee) was killed in a shootout with Australian police who were there to confiscate his unregistered firearms.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/crocodile_dundee.htm

13 posted on 02/04/2013 6:49:36 AM PST by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Kaslin
It's not all going to collapse. It's just the blue parts that will collapse/are collapsing/have collapsed.

Have you seen Detroit or Camden, New Jersey lately?


14 posted on 02/04/2013 6:49:56 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: cuban leaf

I think I would go to Canada if I had no choice but to leave. Nothing against Australia (They would be my second choice) I just want to be close to home.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 6:51:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Nowhere. I can’t imagine anything more entertaining than watching American liberals trying to figure out what to do in a real crisis.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 6:54:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin

This is interesting so here’s my take:
Being a quarter Swiss, they are cold, unfriendly and snobby...
Central American countries are still banana republics with a veneer...
In Australia, you celebrate Christmas in cut-offs...
I’m voting for an island nation of conservative thinkers...
Or secession...why give the bastards this nation our forefathers fought so hard for....


17 posted on 02/04/2013 6:56:55 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Kaslin

I’ll hunker-in and after things “die down” I’ll go hunting. This is my country and I took an oath. I may not last long but I’ll go with a clean conscience.

Besides, I don’t think any other country could or would be able to take any but the most well-heeled refugees.

Most of the rest of the world will blame America for the situation, and you don’t ever want to be “the foreigner” when SHTF.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 6:57:05 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Kaslin

“WHERE COULD I GO, BUT TO THE LORD!”
The Lord will keep us in times of trouble.

PSALM 91

1 Those who live in the shelter of the Most High
will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
2 This I declare about the Lord:
He alone is my refuge, my place of safety;
he is my God, and I trust him.
3 For he will rescue you from every trap
and protect you from deadly disease.
4 He will cover you with his feathers.
He will shelter you with his wings.
His faithful promises are your armor and protection.
5 Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night,
nor the arrow that flies in the day.
6 Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness,
nor the disaster that strikes at midday.
7 Though a thousand fall at your side,
though ten thousand are dying around you,
these evils will not touch you.
8 Just open your eyes,
and see how the wicked are punished.

9 If you make the Lord your refuge,
if you make the Most High your shelter,
10 no evil will conquer you;
no plague will come near your home.
11 For he will order his angels
to protect you wherever you go.
12 They will hold you up with their hands
so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.
13 You will trample upon lions and cobras;
you will crush fierce lions and serpents under your feet!

14 The Lord says, “I will rescue those who love me.
I will protect those who trust in my name.
15 When they call on me, I will answer;
I will be with them in trouble.
I will rescue and honor them.
16 I will reward them with a long life
and give them my salvation.”


19 posted on 02/04/2013 6:57:21 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: blueunicorn6

I’m going to America to try to resurrect the old gal.


20 posted on 02/04/2013 6:58:37 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: cuban leaf

Sounds gorgeous, Cuban leaf...
Good for you!


21 posted on 02/04/2013 6:58:48 AM PST by matginzac
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To: Kaslin

New Zealand or Australia. But really ... if things go-to-hell-in-a-handbasket in The States, there will be global repercussions.


22 posted on 02/04/2013 6:59:26 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Kaslin

To my grave fighting.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 7:00:38 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Kaslin

Good question bump


24 posted on 02/04/2013 7:02:51 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: cuban leaf
For me it’s ALWAYS been Austrailia.

I like the idea, but I wish they had a way to eradicate all the Funnel-Web spiders and Box Jellyfish.

25 posted on 02/04/2013 7:03:39 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Kaslin

It will be Molon Labe time.


26 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:13 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Sooth2222
It's not all going to collapse. It's just the blue parts that will collapse/are collapsing/have collapsed.

And the leftist creeps they elect to the Congress will plunder by tax confiscation the prosperous/Republican states until we are bled white. Then what?

27 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:45 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Kaslin
"Where Will You Go if America Collapses?"

Our local Wal-Mart and quickly to grab the last of the Sweet Baby Ray's and A-1 Sauce...

28 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:49 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Kaslin

Australia all the way!

Kangaroo meat is TASTY! Mmmmm! And great wines!


29 posted on 02/04/2013 7:07:34 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (I once saw a movie where only the police & military had guns. It was called "Schindler's List")
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To: matginzac
Here it is before I started building anything. Note I had to keep the tandem bike on the porch...


30 posted on 02/04/2013 7:15:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sooth2222

I’ve been to detroit and Newark. On my way back to the airport I pulled off the freeway to get gas for the rental car. It is the only time in my life I’ve feared for my life in the middle of the day, and I’ve been to some seedy places in Mexico.


31 posted on 02/04/2013 7:17:46 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: matginzac
"Or secession...why give the bastards this nation our forefathers fought so hard for...."

This is where my thoughts go as well. I would love to live with my conservative brothers and sisters, working hard and playing hard, and watching the blue states go up in flames (choking on their debt and social rif-raff) while we prosper. Plans will be needed to keep them out though. When their rainbow/unicorn utopia hits bottom (it wouldn't take long), they'll want another crack at our wealth.

32 posted on 02/04/2013 7:18:05 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Larry Lucido

Heaven’s looking better all the time. It will bever collapse under enemy tyranny nor via evil. No death and taxes either. Can’t wait until that train to Paradise leaves the station.


33 posted on 02/04/2013 7:19:09 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: cuban leaf

I’ve seen that pic before, you bastard. :)

Serously that is REALLY nice...I’m happy for you, and I’m certain you’ve earned every square inch and blade of grass.


34 posted on 02/04/2013 7:22:52 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Kaslin

The restored Republic of Texas.

Lake Whitney or Lake O’ the Pines. (exurban Dallas) Got family in the areas.

Been looking on Realtor.com ...


35 posted on 02/04/2013 7:24:42 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: RJS1950

Beautifully put.

I wish for a half-dozen like you at my side.


36 posted on 02/04/2013 7:26:29 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Kaslin

Australia??? Daniel Mitchell is insane. They confiscated all the guns and its a total nanny state like Britain.

Why the “where to run” talk? How about dig in and fight to restore the consitutional republic.

Ask yourself how scared are you of the dilbergs who pat you down at the airport? Thats who’s coming after you not the military. Did you see the pic of the #1 Dilberg with his shotgun? He probably believes that the DHS can back up his martial law plans. But he probably believes in the tooth fairy also.

Leave the city maybe but not the country.


37 posted on 02/04/2013 7:26:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sooth2222

What is this map representing?

I happen to live in Gwinnett county, GA, which is FEATURED as a call out on your map. And we are not a ‘blue’ area.

REALLY curious what these data are.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 7:27:40 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Mich Patriot

It’s my facebook profile picture. Are you a “friend”, or have I posted it here before?

BTW, it was 78 degrees at the time I took that picture. We’ve since gotten a rider mower and about an acre of that grass is lawn. The rest we cut for hay. Gawd it’s beautiful right after the bales are taken off.

Especially with a single malt and a cigar.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 7:30:04 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RJS1950

Beautifully worded.


40 posted on 02/04/2013 7:31:20 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

Problem is, I don’t think a lot of these countries will allow refugees. Unless your family is loaded with money when the arrive, they might not be able to settle or even stay for a long period of time.


41 posted on 02/04/2013 7:31:36 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Blueflag

“I happen to live in Gwinnett county, GA,”

Me too and our District, #7 which is most if not all of Gwinnett County is one of the most conservative districts in the state of GA. Talk about Red.


42 posted on 02/04/2013 7:31:59 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Larry Lucido

On a related note, my favorite OT book puts the whole thing in perspective: Ecclesiastes


43 posted on 02/04/2013 7:32:27 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

Australia likely wouldn’t take you unless you brought a scarce skill, a high level of monetary resources, or political influence. They most CERTAINLY would not allow you to bring ANY weapons whatsoever.

I’m staying here; it doesn’t mean I have to succumb to the government.


44 posted on 02/04/2013 7:40:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rrrod
True dat. Anyone who entertains thoughts of leaving the USA after a collapse should leave now. I certainly don't want them in the way.

Where are you going to go? Nowhere.

45 posted on 02/04/2013 7:42:32 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: Kaslin

Why would any country allow an influx of spoiled demanding folk in? I can hear the arguments: they screwed up their country now they want to break ours....

The only thing I can compare it to is the Depression. Except this would be a lot meaner and nasty.

I would withdraw to the country at a little plot I have. Its not very defensible tho and I do imagine bands of marauding folks having to be fought with. Same with the principle residence. And I would need a well and some way to power it. That assumes that all resources are cut off, which I doubt would ultimately happen.

But I do not know if we can ever truly survive...the vast majority of us have never had to live stripped of our culture and conveniences. If we get knocked back 150 yrs, I don’t remotely have the skills to survive. Wife and i don’t have a mule, don’t have access to a mule and wouldn’t know how to plow, straight or otherwise.
Lots of folks in the same boat, I suspect.


46 posted on 02/04/2013 7:44:50 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: rrrod

Same here. I’m ex-canadian and have no regrets of leaving that socialist country. Funny. I escaped socialism and now I’m knee-deep in this crap due to a crap p-resident.

I don’t get this part where you run away from a fight. i work in a super-blue city, and no one but me decides to run me out. Not fags, not liberals...I decide when I head out.


47 posted on 02/04/2013 7:45:10 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

By your reply it seems to me that you flew through the article, because if you had you would have noticed that Daniel Mitchell is writing about the economic perspective, not guns in case you haven’t noticed.


48 posted on 02/04/2013 7:46:50 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

This guy is a complete idiot. Good luck trying to get a job in Australia. My brother in law is ex Aussie military and he was sent to the bottom of the job list when he returned there recently because of the time he spent in the U.S. He came back to the U.S.

Also a six pack of beer will run you about $24 US.

Good luck!


49 posted on 02/04/2013 7:49:11 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Dead Corpse
Where will I go?
More than likely the cemetery.
LFOD.

Me too. Hope I can go out fighting.

50 posted on 02/04/2013 7:50:21 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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