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Should I Become a Woman and Risk Causing Pain to My Wife and Children?
New York Times ^ | February 1, 2013 | CHUCK KLOSTERMAN

Posted on 02/04/2013 7:53:55 AM PST by reaganaut1

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To: Billthedrill

Bill, you are a worthy man. Yield to that inner vegetable, I say!


51 posted on 02/04/2013 8:59:35 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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To: reaganaut1

Think of your family.

Keep your mouth shut, make sure you have a nice insurance policy, and take a long walk off a short pier.


52 posted on 02/04/2013 8:59:50 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: AppyPappy

yep


53 posted on 02/04/2013 9:03:13 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Ouderkirk

I may cover the suicide clause in the insurance, but not everything works out as you imagine it will. I have a former sister-in-law that tried that method of suicide. Problem was she survived her near-fatal car wreck, and has multiple physical issues (in addition to the psychological ones) that she’s dealing with all these years later as a result.

The grass is always greener on the other side...until you get there and looked back.


54 posted on 02/04/2013 9:06:10 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: massgopguy

ouch

but funny


55 posted on 02/04/2013 9:09:06 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: FamiliarFace

Sorry, meant to say *it* may cover the suicide clause.


56 posted on 02/04/2013 9:12:00 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: reaganaut1

What’s really troubling is that a number of us commenting know guys who have done this. I do too, and he went in as an obsessive, selfish, masculine-looking man and came out even more obsessive, more selfish (which was very difficult to do) and he’s still very masculine looking. He lost his job, somehow got on disability, and threatened suicide if his ex-wife didn’t take him back... haven’t seen either of them in almost a decade, but at the time, the two of them had even fewer friends than they did before his surgery.


57 posted on 02/04/2013 9:15:14 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: reaganaut1
If any semblance of sharia law takes hold here, this lost soul better be careful what he wishes for.
58 posted on 02/04/2013 9:17:16 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: jazzlite

I have wondered many times in my life why God made the sexual desire so insane that it destroys so much in the lives of human beings.

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God did not make that desire “insane”; He made it strong so that we humans would be motivated against all odds to carry on our race.

It is humans who make it “insane” by allowing their desire to turn to lust. That is the part that destroys.


59 posted on 02/04/2013 9:22:32 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: reaganaut1
"What’s the ethically correct thing to do?"

full suicide.

You'd be killing a male specimen to become a female which would result in half suicide. Spare us, go all the way.

60 posted on 02/04/2013 9:24:04 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: reaganaut1

Suck it up, buttercup!


61 posted on 02/04/2013 9:25:11 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: windcliff

I wonder had the guy’s wife just let him lay about in her lingerie, that it would have become such an issue now.


62 posted on 02/04/2013 9:34:25 AM PST by onedoug
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To: rbg81

I’m a woman and I can’t imagine it either.


63 posted on 02/04/2013 9:34:39 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: reaganaut1

Suck it up and go to the grave as a father and a man.


64 posted on 02/04/2013 9:36:03 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: reaganaut1
Should I Become a Woman and Risk Causing Pain to My Wife and Children?

1) A man cannot "become a woman".

2) How much do you hate your wife and children?

65 posted on 02/04/2013 9:37:15 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: massgopguy

GOOD ONE!!!


66 posted on 02/04/2013 9:39:42 AM PST by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: vwbug
"Why can’t he be satisfied wearing womens panties like the rest of us."

"Oops, did I say that out loud"?

You're funny, vwbug!

67 posted on 02/04/2013 9:39:42 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: reaganaut1
Answer:

"Be true to yourself Mitt. You won't carry enough votes to be Senator either, so you might as well live out your golden years happy."

68 posted on 02/04/2013 9:43:36 AM PST by Abundy
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To: reaganaut1

If he was born a male, there is no way that he can become a woman. He can cut and whack,and nip and tuck to his heart’s content, but at the end of the day he is still a male.


69 posted on 02/04/2013 9:45:45 AM PST by sport
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To: dagogo redux
“I believed I would find happiness only once I was true to myself. “

Hey, I know! How about being true to your wife and children?

Selfish dope.

70 posted on 02/04/2013 9:46:56 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: reaganaut1

My God...he wants to be told its okay to destroy his family by mutilating his body to match his psychosis. YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL if you think you are something you, genetically, are not...a duck, a chicken, Lincoln, Marie Antoinette, anything. Now we’re making the mental illness real instead of curing it? He will FOREVER be male, but he won’t have family if he does this, and rightly so.


71 posted on 02/04/2013 9:54:40 AM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: rbg81

“For the life of me (as a man), I can’t imagine what would cause a man to look down at his Johnson and think: “That’s really gotta go.””


You can’t? Well, there are plenty of ‘causes’ for this. How about for raping? (in all it’s forms), pedophilia?, bestiality?, molestation?, irresponsible seed-spilling?....I mean....the list could get quite extensive. Everyone knows that life here, on earth, has been spent in idolatry of the penis. Let’s not kid ourselves.


72 posted on 02/04/2013 9:58:42 AM PST by ourworldawry
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To: rbg81

“For the life of me (as a man), I can’t imagine what would cause a man to look down at his Johnson and think: “That’s really gotta go.””


You can’t? Well, there are plenty of ‘causes’ for this. How about for raping? (in all it’s forms), pedophilia?, bestiality?, molestation?, irresponsible seed-spilling?....I mean....the list could get quite extensive. Everyone knows that life here, on earth, has been spent in idolatry of the penis. Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s just that...many men don’t see these things as ‘cause’ enough.


73 posted on 02/04/2013 10:00:18 AM PST by ourworldawry
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To: reaganaut1

No, he is insane like most Democrats, up is down and down is up, good is evil and evil is good, we live in Bizarro world!


74 posted on 02/04/2013 10:01:38 AM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: reaganaut1

We have lost the concept of self-sacrifice. It’s why divorce rates are so high — nobody thinks they should stay together “for the children” anymore. And in fact they’ve made an industry out of self-aggrandizing proclamations that the children are actually better off if the parents don’t “live the lie”.

But love and acceptance isn’t something that just happens, it is a choice of will. Nobody wants to make choices of will anymore, and we are discouraged from it. “Be true to yourself”. I guess if yourself is a lying cheating pedophile mass murderer, maybe we don’t want you to be “true to yourself”.

The liberals love this. They know that the result of people being “true to themselves” is that they will shirk all responsibility, leaving it up to the government to care for everybody.


75 posted on 02/04/2013 10:02:17 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: reaganaut1
Should I Become a Woman and Risk Causing Pain to My Wife and Children?

You can't become a woman, at best you can become a eunuch.

I would suggest you find someone who actually treats gender identity issues rather then someone who plays along with your problem.

Find out why being a "guy" makes you unhappy. Bad relationship with your dad or your mom is usually the cause but it could be something else.

And for the love of mike don't make your wife or kids upset about the matter. This is your problem. Why do you want to make it theirs?

The time has come to "man up". And forget about the "happy" bit. I have yet to meet anyone who is happy all the time. Being unhappy is part of life. Deal with it.

76 posted on 02/04/2013 10:03:04 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: vwbug
Are you a lumberjack?

Are you OK?

77 posted on 02/04/2013 10:03:15 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Oberon

How sad :(

Somehow our culture has reached a point where one’s “sexuality” is the most important characteristic. Instead of looking at this with reason, what will be the most beneficial to all involved, people are encouraged to be selfish. Modern psychiatry tells them to embrace any and all ideas of sexual identity.

I find it difficult to understand how somebody could be an unselfish, loving, father but then make such a selfish decision. What does somebody *gain* by this? Unreal.


78 posted on 02/04/2013 10:03:15 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: reaganaut1
To quote Eagles, Get over it.
79 posted on 02/04/2013 10:08:20 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: ourworldawry
Is your name Origen by any chance?
80 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:13 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: reaganaut1

Been listening to too much lib propaganda. Man up!


81 posted on 02/04/2013 10:14:33 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: jazzlite
God made the sexual desire so crazy in order to ensure procreation. Obviously this guy gave in to his sexual desires, there is proof as he has children. He's just nuts, hopefully he'll decide to quite trying to be something he can NEVER be no matter how many hormones or how much surgery he has.
82 posted on 02/04/2013 10:26:41 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: reaganaut1

I have trouble not seeing this as some bizarre control agenda psychologists are pushing on men. Why are all these guys being told that the “magic answer” to all their problems is lopping off their body parts and wearing high heels?

As a woman, it’s horribly offensive for these neutered males to call themselves “female”. It’s like some idiot minstrel show that we’re asked to accept seriously at face value.

If this isn’t an agenda, why aren’t they simply prescribing hormone suppressants? Easily reversible and doesn’t ruin lives or mess with the plumbing.


83 posted on 02/04/2013 10:29:32 AM PST by Southern Magnolia
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To: pepperdog

Rats! quite=quit


84 posted on 02/04/2013 10:34:31 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: jagusafr

What about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?


85 posted on 02/04/2013 10:36:21 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: Southern Magnolia
You may be on to something there. I almost gag every time I see that commercial about the No-No gadget where the guy is shaving his chest. But evidently men having hair on their bodies is becoming something unattractive. What is wrong with a man having hair on his chest?
86 posted on 02/04/2013 10:39:59 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: mlizzy

I knew someone too - don’t know what’s become of he/she/it but I did see their name on a email that went by my desk so I assume they’re still working in their job.

Three things I learned:

This individual apparently took a blow to the head about 3 years before they went public. Some people that knew him/her said that the blow to the head must have knocked a screw loose.

This individual was trying to ask me for tips on how to get the state or the insurance company to pay for their medical care/surgery.

This individual had to take female hormones for year prior to having the chopping procedure. They said that one day they noticed that they were crying for no reason and for something that wouldn’t have made them cry previously. That one observation/statement gave me great insight into how women are emotionally made up. Maybe I’m not the first one to have ever realized this (duh) but female hormones and tears for no reason are definitely linked. It’s just not often that you can do such a biological experiment and use the person themselves as the “control” subject.


87 posted on 02/04/2013 10:45:04 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: reaganaut1

He needs to act like he’s got a pair and cowboy up.


88 posted on 02/04/2013 10:54:55 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: alstewartfan
Check out this bilge from the "ethicist" at the NYTimes who actually APOLOGIZES for his hesitancy in advising this guy to go get his natural parts chopped off:
This advice might seem reactionary, but it’s not a position on whether transitioning is ethical in and of itself. There’s no inherent ethical problem with that decision. It’s about the possibility of improving one life at a greater cost to three others who might lack the intellectual and emotional maturity to comprehend what’s really happening.
"Intellectual and emotional maturity"?????? Of the type that guides the Times itself, no doubt.
89 posted on 02/04/2013 10:56:36 AM PST by madprof98
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
You'd be killing a male specimen to become a female which would result in half suicide. Spare us, go all the way.

True, but please don't use a gun. Then it will be counted as another gun-related death. /s

90 posted on 02/04/2013 11:02:36 AM PST by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: stuartcr

Dude, maybe its just Low T. Theres a pill for that.


91 posted on 02/04/2013 11:06:37 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ken in texas

Guns are not for sissies.

How about sleeping pills for sleeping beauty.


92 posted on 02/04/2013 11:45:56 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: ken in texas

Guns are not for sissies.

How about sleeping pills for sleeping beauty.


93 posted on 02/04/2013 11:46:22 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: reaganaut1

This is incredible! And what good timing!

I just recently discovered that I am a Lesbian trapped in a man’s body!
I feel so much better now.


94 posted on 02/04/2013 11:47:39 AM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: reaganaut1

He could use an old fashioned wake-up call!

*stand in front of full-frame mirror*

*schlap the $hit outta him/herself*

*rinse and repeat as necessary*


95 posted on 02/04/2013 12:03:10 PM PST by NCDragon ( Americans will always do the right thing, after they've exhausted all the alternatives. WC)
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To: reaganaut1
He does not need a sex change: he is already a whiny little girl.
96 posted on 02/04/2013 12:24:46 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: reaganaut1
Here's the big secret about "gender dysphoria." The minute you walk into a shrink and say anything that sounds like you feel like a member of the opposite sex you have just rung the dinner gong. They see dollar signs, and rightfully so, and will do nothing to dissuade you.

So what's the secret? One word: Zoloft

I had a guy working for me in the mid-nineties who started down this road. At some point his counselor said he was depressed so he went to a psychiatrist who prescribed Zoloft. He started taking it and voila his gender dysphoria cleared up along with his depression.

He looked up Zoloft in the PDR and low and behold, it is listed as effective for obsessive compulsive disorders. He told me that he realized then that, as real as it seemed to him, it was actually an obsession. He changed therapists and sought help from that point of view and in 2 or 3 years it was gone and has stayed gone for almost 20 years now. He's happy, well-adjusted and married with a daughter.

But they won't tell you that because there's no money it for them.

97 posted on 02/04/2013 12:33:06 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: camle

“...and posting to a web page isn’t the best way to get advice...”

?????????????????

This is from the NY slimes, not a web page. Or am I missing something?


98 posted on 02/04/2013 12:34:12 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: reaganaut1
I would suggest a conversion to Buddhism or Hinduism. He is a man and always will be in this life. Perhaps he can dream about getting lucky with reincarnation, but that is in his "next life". In this life, he has a responsibility to the children he brought into the world and to the wife he promised to love, honor, and cherish.

This is such a stupid, mindless question, and I am disgusted with the liberals who pretend that men have a choice on whether to remain male. Castration-plus does not change your sex, just your ability to function sexually.

99 posted on 02/04/2013 12:38:52 PM PST by Pollster1
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To: cripplecreek
A good pastor, priest, or rabbi will be far more effective than a surgeon.

Or even an honest psychiatrist, if there are any.

100 posted on 02/04/2013 1:50:19 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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