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Gun Control: Founding Fathers vs. Today's Lawmakers
Real Clear Politics ^ | February 4, 2013 | Carl M. Cannon

Posted on 02/04/2013 11:28:01 AM PST by neverdem

Within hours of the Jan. 8, 2011, mass shooting in Tucson that killed six people and wounded 13 others, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the local sheriff blamed the state’s lenient gun laws.

“I have never been a proponent of letting everybody in the state carry weapons under any circumstances that they want -- and that's almost where we are,” complained Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik. “I think we’re the Tombstone of the United States of America.”

Dupnik would prove to have a knack for intemperate remarks, and this one was historically inaccurate, but the frustration of law enforcement officials in the urban areas of his state was genuine.

In 2009, legally armed men showed up at a Phoenix rally for President Obama. One of them explained he was doing so “because I can.” The guns were in plain sight, but today they wouldn’t have to be. In 2010, the year before the Tucson carnage, Arizona enacted a law allowing residents to carry concealed weapons without a permit. Even before that statute took effect, some 154,000 Arizonans were already permitted to conceal and carry.

“I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens,” said Gov. Jan Brewer in her signing statement, it “restores those rights as well.”

In 1991, five years after he’d left the bench, former chief justice of the Supreme Court Warren E. Burger was asked whether he believed the Constitution afforded private American citizens the right to bear arms. Burger, a conservative Republican, replied that the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud -- I repeat the word ‘fraud’ -- on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

The special interest group Burger primarily had in mind...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nationalrifleassn; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/04/2013 11:28:08 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

What is the militia, said George Mason, a much neglected Founder, but the people except a few public officials.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 11:51:20 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: neverdem

The Founders?

The Founders would be shooting people already...


3 posted on 02/04/2013 11:54:37 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: neverdem
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4 posted on 02/04/2013 11:56:36 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The kids aren't too fond of abortion either. It's high time to compete for their votes!

Poll: Americans, Especially Young Ones, Say People "Should Be Allowed" to Own Assault Weapons

Harriet Hagel - We thought Chuck Hagel was wrong. Now we know he’s unqualified, too.

Containing Hagel - Tehran is pleased that we aren’t. (Mark Steyn)

Hillary Clinton was loyal soldier but no great shakes at policy More damning with faint praise, IMHO.

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5 posted on 02/04/2013 12:06:21 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The kids aren't too fond of abortion either. It's high time to compete for their votes!

Poll: Americans, Especially Young Ones, Say People "Should Be Allowed" to Own Assault Weapons

Harriet Hagel - We thought Chuck Hagel was wrong. Now we know he’s unqualified, too.

Containing Hagel - Tehran is pleased that we aren’t. (Mark Steyn)

Hillary Clinton was loyal soldier but no great shakes at policy More damning with faint praise, IMHO.

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

6 posted on 02/04/2013 12:06:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
The kids aren't too fond of abortion either. It's high time to compete for their votes!

Poll: Americans, Especially Young Ones, Say People "Should Be Allowed" to Own Assault Weapons

Harriet Hagel - We thought Chuck Hagel was wrong. Now we know he’s unqualified, too.

Containing Hagel - Tehran is pleased that we aren’t. (Mark Steyn)

Hillary Clinton was loyal soldier but no great shakes at policy More damning with faint praise, IMHO.

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

7 posted on 02/04/2013 12:07:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Burger was the fraud.


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9 posted on 02/04/2013 12:15:24 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: neverdem
Burger is not, was not a conservative republican. He was a statist to the core.

I'd support Earl Warren over Warren Burger, and as an attorney, I know the difference. Burger was the worst Chief Justice we ever had, and was right there with Blackmun, Marshall, and non 4th Amendment William Brennan.

10 posted on 02/04/2013 12:17:36 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: neverdem

***in Tucson that killed six people and wounded 13 others, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords,****

Lets see, if the shooter had been armed with a .357 mag revolver, Giffords would probably be dead, then next victim dead, Judge Roll still dead, and more victims dead.

The the shooter would have dropped his .357 and pulled out another and continued shooting.

Or if the shooter had been armed with a 7 shot .45, Giffords would be dead, same for the next few in line. Then the shooter would have dropped his .45 and grabbed his second like the shooter at the Midwest City OK post office did.

Anyone notice how these mentally ill people still give meticulous planning weeks ahead for their rampage?


11 posted on 02/04/2013 12:22:35 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Anyone notice how these mentally ill people still give meticulous planning weeks ahead for their rampage?

Hence the phrase, "there is method in his madness...." Meticulous planning, elaborate preparation.....it fuels and sustains their psychosis.

12 posted on 02/04/2013 12:49:02 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: neverdem
From the linked article: "One of the justices who voted to uphold Heller was John Paul Stevens ..."

Not even close.

Further, the present interpretations of the Second Amendment put a little too much weight on what constituted the "pre-existing right".

The problem, as seen in Boston, Lexington, and Concord, is that infringement had become the norm. If the Founders only wished to maintain the same right that existed prior to the Bill of Rights, there would have been little reason to include the Second Amendment. The intention was to eliminate the infringements.

13 posted on 02/04/2013 1:21:12 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Not even close.

It is close if you read it in context. Stevens wanted to uphold the district court dismissal. IIRC, SCOTUS remanded it back to the district court telling them Heller had standing, and that it was an individual right.

"It is a measure of the nation’s current polarization that even such a draconian statute was only tossed out on a 5-4 vote. One of the justices who voted to uphold Heller was John Paul Stevens, who revealed the depth of modern liberals’ antipathy to gun ownership at a lunch sponsored by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence."

14 posted on 02/04/2013 3:08:09 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

How is it possible for a 2A denier named Dupnick get himself elected Sheriff of Pima County AZ, the “Tombstone of the United States of America”??


15 posted on 02/04/2013 5:38:00 PM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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Thanks neverdem.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 7:02:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


17 posted on 02/04/2013 9:23:38 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: onyx
*** Burger was the fraud. ***


I made myself a 'Like Button' ;-)

18 posted on 02/05/2013 1:39:29 PM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
*** The the shooter would have dropped his .357 and pulled out another and continued shooting. ***

Exactly!
From 1974 to about 1984 I carried my gun almost every day, a Colt Detective Special snub-nose w/ 6 rounds of .38spl JHP Super Vels, and in Chicago! But today that wouldn't be enough against the gang-bangers, so I'd to take my Makarov too (8 rounds, 9x18), now I have two guns on me Mr Politician.

So pass Magazine Limits for handguns, I don't care. And if I have to I'll get a holster for a 3rd handgun, my 9mm 1911. A shoulder rig would work great for it and conceals nicely under a coat/jacket. And I have plenty of ready firepower.

(1) I had to for my safety. I had to go into 'The Hood' for my job. The Co. Boss didn't care (he approved), and back then the Chi PD didn't care either. If you where a businessman in a suit, it was like 'what gun?' if they saw one during a traffic stop.

19 posted on 02/05/2013 2:13:37 PM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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