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Why an American ‘manufacturing renaissance’ wouldn’t create many manufacturing jobs
American Enterprise Institute ^ | February 1, 2013 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 02/04/2013 2:28:44 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 02/04/2013 2:28:54 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Liberal arguments? Manufacturing itself does operate in cycles and cannot trend downward infinitely unless the entire world suddenly turns Luddite. Even automated manufacturing requires a vibrant repair and maintenance industry; factory machines are not self-repairing organisms that can be back to good working order after a night of sleep. (Never mind the fact that automation was the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to begin with.)

What seems to be ignored here is the importance of manufacturing to national security, never mind the unfriendliness of liberals to manufacturing since the end of WWII what with piling on the regulations and taxation (which kills new start-up businesses within a year for the most part in the USA).


2 posted on 02/04/2013 2:36:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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Problem is, if you service (repair or maintain) a machine, your job is not counted as a “manufacturing job,” unless by odd chance you actually work for the manufacturer itself.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 2:42:33 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: neverdem
In a multipronged attack on employment Mechanization, Automation, Computerization, Robotics and Improved Work Methods promise to make every type of employment except OWNERSHIP unprofitable.

We can act now to make America into the first 100% ownership driven society.

Every man a CEO, a Board Room in every garage, the New Contract with America, a Fair Contract for Americans, ....... a gazillion other slogans.

When there's only one job left, it need not be the janitor who turns out the lights ~ it can be the Chairman Of The Board!

4 posted on 02/04/2013 2:45:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Olog-hai
What seems to be ignored here is the importance of manufacturing to national security,

In 08 when he was running for president, Duncan Hunter detailed several instances where our "allies" had shown their opposition to the Iraq war by halting production of vital pieces of military hardware and we had to scramble to find new producers.

He also pointed to a DOD report that said we couldn't possibly track where all of the parts for military hardware were coming from and it made it nearly impossible to guarantee security of top secret items.

The simple fact is that manufacturing is a security issue. A nation that manufactures what it needs can't be held hostage by foreign interests.
5 posted on 02/04/2013 2:49:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem

Thank you for posting this. The future is not going to be won by the country with the cheapest labor, or the country which has the most factories. It also isn’t going to be won by the country with the best service-oriented economy. It will be won by the country which most readily adapts culturally and economically (in terms of the nature of currency, primarily) to the very deep changes occurring in pretty much every aspect of life.

We are heading to a point where marginal costs of production approach zero, where a relatively miniscule amount of man-hours can provide everything that we need. This is, in general, an extremely positive development, that will occur over the next handful of decades. But getting from here to there will require massive change. These changes will not be pleasant, if history serves as any guide.

I find this question fascinating, since it requires questioning almost everything we think we know about society and economics. For example, cities teeming with people made sense when they were the hub of manufacturing. Now, they are archaic ecosystems financed by transfer payments, debt, and the white collar versions of ditch digging and filling (business services whose role is primarily for lobbying, or for adhering to the labyrinth of regulations). Over time, this will change. But not easily and not without serious problems.

And that is just one simple example. The changes over the next few decades will call into question everything from the fractional reserve system, to the purpose of education, to the role of nations themselves.

Hearing people call for the return of “manufacturing” is somewhat akin to calling for the return to a life in the trees. When the old system dies, as it is in the process of doing, it will be replaced by something fundamentally unrecognizable. The only question now involves the somewhat painful path from a to b.


6 posted on 02/04/2013 2:51:08 PM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: neverdem

Find ways to,lower the costs of jobs, and those jobs will come.


7 posted on 02/04/2013 2:51:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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Manufacturing is effectively taxed like a VAT tax which hurts it a great deal.


8 posted on 02/04/2013 2:55:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Did they factor the jobs in intercountry shipping and export shipping as well?

Did they factor the fact that the jobs would have an internal multiplier effect?

Or that instead of say having 10 low skilled factory workers you may have 4 high skilled technitians who need 2 babysitters and other peripheral service jobs are created to support them, etc etc...


9 posted on 02/04/2013 2:57:03 PM PST by GraceG
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To: 1rudeboy

Calvin Coolidge explains a major part of it. The growth of government can only end in a downward spiral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puwTrLRhmw


10 posted on 02/04/2013 3:07:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jonty30
Find ways to,lower the costs of jobs, and those jobs will come.

Obama-Kare does the exact opposite - It is a job killer, not a job creator.

As the full costs of Obama-Kare fall on employers they will be forced to seek ways to reduce the number of employees for which they must provide a medical plan.

Some of the most obvious things they will do:

- Small companies will freeze employment below the minimum requiring health plan participation

- Hold employee hours below the minimum by using part time employees

- Pay overtime instead of keeping higher numbers of employees

- Automate

- Subcontract

- Outsource

- Move factories out of the USA

The Labor Force Participation Rate will continue to drop.
The media will call it "Unexpected".


11 posted on 02/04/2013 3:32:08 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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It simply COSTS to much to manufacture in this country!

If we do NOT re-impose tariffs; then every bit of our ‘money’ will bleed out to the world as surely as water runs down hill.


12 posted on 02/04/2013 3:46:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: neverdem

What we need is higher labor costs and more immigration.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 3:48:26 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: muawiyah

Most jobs in manufacturing, as it was understood for most of the last century, were dull, repetitive time-and-motion actions, that required little mental involvement, besides not getting yourself mangled in the machinery. Those jobs are properly taken over by robotic substitutes, and the individuals formerly employed at this kind of labor are free to learn a whole new skill set.

It is presumed that to learn this skill set, the individual has basic comprehension of language and some analytical capability when confronted with a new task like programming the computers that operate the robotic machinery, or putting into operation the sometimes very complicated business of delivering the product to its intended user.

And this is just what seems to put a burr under the saddle of most of the union bosses. Once people get smart enough to learn how to do these new kinds of jobs, they have much less need of any kind of union representation, and in a most excellent show of preservation of self-interest, they stay away from organized labor in droves.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 3:57:57 PM PST by alloysteel (If conspiracy does not exist everywhere, it exists nowhere.)
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To: neverdem
The theory holds that automation, especially of the digital variety, is happening more quickly than entrepreneurs and human capital can adjust.

Alarmist cranks have been preaching this baloney since the 1700's.

They always ignore that someone will have to design and build the automation. And the raw materials for that automation will have to be dug out of the ground by someone. And the automation that reduces the number of jobs needed to dig the raw materials out of the ground will have to be designed by someone else and built by yet someone else again.

And so on.

We're seeing job losses now because the government is making it too expensive to hire. Investment in automation always cuts jobs where the automation is applied. That's its purpose. But in the 400 years since the Industrial Revolution began, more people have always found better work.

It's somewhat counter-intuitive, but you might call it the "growing pie" effect.

It worked very well till Obama was elected. But that's a different story.

15 posted on 02/04/2013 4:22:00 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: Elsie
Once you spend money, it is no longer yours. If someone else spends their money, it was never yours in the first place.

Only the government spends money "on your behalf."

16 posted on 02/04/2013 4:33:31 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: neverdem

What we need is what we’re getting. It won’t be easy, but the most ingenuous will survive these economic and other corrections, rebuild and produce.


17 posted on 02/04/2013 4:58:28 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Worry not—our Chinese Masters will plenty of work for all of us! They know how to put lots of folks to work doing manual labor. Look to see electric fences on the Canadian Border to keep Americans from coming over. Maybe the same on the Mexican Border to keep us out! All will work 10 hour days for a handful of rice—no unions, and a noose for any who shirk. They will have revolutionary songs to sing and Free Matching Uniforms! The only good thing: The Liberals will be the first to go to the camps.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 5:10:49 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yup!


19 posted on 02/04/2013 9:34:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

So what did you mean by “our money?”


20 posted on 02/05/2013 5:03:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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