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Richard III dig: Facial reconstruction shows how king may have looked
BBC ^ | 4 February 2013 | unknown

Posted on 02/04/2013 5:42:27 PM PST by beaversmom

A facial reconstruction based on the skull of Richard III has revealed how the English king may have looked.

A skeleton found under a car park in Leicester has been confirmed as that of the king.

The reconstructed face has a slightly arched nose and prominent chin, similar to features shown in portraits of Richard III painted after his death.

Historian and author John Ashdown-Hill said seeing it was "almost like being face to face with a real person".

The development comes after archaeologists from the University of Leicester confirmed the skeleton found last year was the 15th Century king's, with DNA from the bones having matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.

Richard, who was killed in the Battle of Bosworth in 1485 at the age of 32 after just two years on the throne, having been challenged by the forces of Henry Tudor, the future Henry VII. Continue reading the main story Richard III graphic

Interactive: Twisted bones reveal a king

Dr Ashdown-Hill, who wrote The Last Days of Richard III, said: "The most obvious features in portraits are the shape of the nose and the chin and both of those are visible in the facial reconstruction."

Richard III Society member Philippa Langley, originator of the search, said on a Channel 4 documentary earlier: "It doesn't look like the face of a tyrant. I'm sorry but it doesn't.

"He's very handsome. It's like you could just talk to him, have a conversation with him right now."

Layers of muscle and skin were added by computer to a scan of the skull and the result was made into a three-dimensional plastic model. 'In the presence'

Dr Ashdown-Hill said: "I had said previously that when I stood by the grave in Leicester that I felt closer to...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 02/04/2013 5:42:31 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Hapsburg chin? or am I in the wrong era of history?

He’s a good looking maligned king.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 5:45:45 PM PST by madison10
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To: beaversmom

From being a king to buried under a parking lot....


3 posted on 02/04/2013 5:46:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Revolting cat!
Much better than the facial reconstruction I came up with.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 5:48:28 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
From being a king to buried under a parking lot....

There is hope for the U.S.

5 posted on 02/04/2013 5:49:42 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: BerryDingle

Oh, good grief. (laughing)


6 posted on 02/04/2013 5:50:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: beaversmom
As it will be reported by the MSM:


7 posted on 02/04/2013 5:51:11 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you got till it’s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot


8 posted on 02/04/2013 5:52:46 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: beaversmom

Hmmmm...

9 posted on 02/04/2013 5:53:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: beaversmom

Hey, that’s MY nose!


10 posted on 02/04/2013 5:57:34 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: beaversmom
May have looked?

Um, there's no shortage of medieval portraits of King Richard III that he himself sat for.

I can't help but notice that their 'scientific reconstruction' even got his hat right. Curiously looks just like the hat from all his portraits.

11 posted on 02/04/2013 6:00:13 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Bring back the booby hatches.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
And his completion was so nice.

reconstruction' even got his hat right.

12 posted on 02/04/2013 6:12:08 PM PST by DManA
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To: madison10

Cousins ~ multiple cousins. These people are all part of a large extended family that modern genealogists and historians call “the family”


13 posted on 02/04/2013 6:12:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: madison10

I believe Richard preceeded any Hapsborg genetics in the royal line. He was the last of the Plantagenets.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 6:13:41 PM PST by Segovia
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To: a fool in paradise
Much better than the facial reconstruction I came up with.

LOL! You tried. I'm giving you a smiley face sticker for effort!


15 posted on 02/04/2013 6:15:38 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: madison10

Good nutrition and living well.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 6:20:46 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: beaversmom

Ugly bugger.

17 posted on 02/04/2013 6:21:36 PM PST by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: The KG9 Kid

You don’t want to put too much faith in their accuracy. Artists tended to make fairly flattering images of people who could have them beheaded.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 6:27:38 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Um, there's no shortage of medieval portraits of King Richard III that he himself sat for.

No, actually, there aren't. None of the pictures made in life have survived. All the portraits we have were painted many years after his death, and some were deliberately uglified to make him seem extra-conniving and evil.

What I find shocking is his deeply scoliotic spine. How crushed his internal organs must have been when the curvature was so deep.

19 posted on 02/04/2013 6:30:11 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: freedumb2003

You stuned my Bieber!


20 posted on 02/04/2013 6:36:58 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: a fool in paradise

lol. . .


21 posted on 02/04/2013 6:38:13 PM PST by cricket (Push Back Lib Agenda's; Lib propaganda; Lib/Marxist PC; Lib Leaderhship)
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To: beaversmom
Quentin Tarantino looking mo fo.

Goofy hat and all.

22 posted on 02/04/2013 6:41:51 PM PST by caddie
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To: beaversmom
“And thus I clothe my naked villainy With odd, old ends stol'n out of holy writ, And seem a saint, when most I play the devil. To infinity and beyond!”
23 posted on 02/04/2013 6:47:17 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: freedumb2003

Looks a lot like my high school pal Scott back in the day.


24 posted on 02/04/2013 6:47:48 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: theDentist

What has been seen, can not be unseen.....


25 posted on 02/04/2013 6:50:32 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: freedumb2003

RICHARD #3

DICK #1

26 posted on 02/04/2013 6:52:11 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Isn’t he the one associated with the mysterious deaths of the two child princes in The Tower of London? Maybe being buried under a parking lot is appropriate.


27 posted on 02/04/2013 6:52:55 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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Freepers, your Contributions make every difference!
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

28 posted on 02/04/2013 6:57:29 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: freedumb2003

Freeper women: guilty or not guilty?


29 posted on 02/04/2013 7:03:01 PM PST by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: freedumb2003; All
Hmmmm

Yes. . .Do always wonder about these reconstructions. . .how do they know the 'quality' of the skin; the smoothness; fineness;...the masculine or feminine, finishes? So to speak. Actually; don't think he looks 'sooo' different (younger; yes) than the images we see.

And those maybe with a few 'kind' strokes. Who knows? Another big 'erasure' on it's way. Scoliosis confirmed; however.

Bigger 'weird' here: Richard found only two feet under. . .Can only imagine; what else/who else; may be 'so close'; and yet so far.

30 posted on 02/04/2013 7:04:41 PM PST by cricket (Push Back Lib Agenda's; Lib propaganda; Lib/Marxist PC; Lib Leaderhship)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
From being a king to buried under a parking lot....

Probably would never happen to a President. . .

31 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:05 PM PST by cricket (Push Back Lib Agenda's; Lib propaganda; Lib/Marxist PC; Lib Leaderhship)
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To: 21st Century Crusader

Isn’t he the one associated with the mysterious deaths of the two child princes in The Tower of London? Maybe being buried under a parking lot is appropriate.

____________________________________________

He is the one, and contemporary opinion held that Richard III had them murdered. The fact of the matter is that there is no certain knowledge of what happened to the two princes, his nephews. Richard III is sort of a Rorschach test for speculators as to whether he was a villain or a hero or a mix. I incline towards the latter opinion.

Two skeletons of youngsters were found in the Tower in 1674, and were buried in Westminster Abbey on the presumption these were the princes. These skeletons were re-examined in 1933, and were deemed to be appropriate ages, but little else was determined. No one has attempted DNA analysis thus far - perhaps this may spark some interest in doing so.

Richard III has his admirers too, I think basically simply for the ferocity and physical courage he showed in defending his crown, and of course being the last of a distinguished line.

The Wars of the Roses were vicious. People looking for heroes in it are going to be disappointed.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 7:12:43 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: 21st Century Crusader

If you read Josephine Tey’s The Daughter of Time, you’ll see an alternate theory that RIII’s successor/overthrower, Henry VI, killed off the little princes.


33 posted on 02/04/2013 7:13:34 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

Not guilty.


34 posted on 02/04/2013 7:16:37 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Edited to add: Were they TRYING to make him look like the Con Man in Chief?


35 posted on 02/04/2013 7:18:13 PM PST by madison10
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To: beaversmom

Feminine mouth.


36 posted on 02/04/2013 7:24:40 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

Not guilty! :)


37 posted on 02/04/2013 7:28:34 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: madison10

“A skeleton found under a car park in Leicester “

He’s been under someones car since 1485?


38 posted on 02/04/2013 7:47:46 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Lawyers have caused thousands of times more destruction to our nation than have guns)
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To: beaversmom

Say what you want, but the facial reconstruction is just plain cool. I think the 3-D image is much better than the portraits. Plus the fact that it confirm the artists’ works.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 8:03:15 PM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Right Wing Assault
His mouth looks just fine; don't see anything particularly feminine about his mouth. John Wayne
40 posted on 02/04/2013 8:05:38 PM PST by madison10
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To: cricket; HiTech RedNeck

From being a king to buried under a parking lot....
******
Probably would never happen to a President. . . .
#####

Reagans house will be the Kenyans library parking lot....


41 posted on 02/04/2013 8:07:15 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: heartwood

A wonderful book. Thanks for mentioning it here. Freepers esp. would enjoy it I think. It gives many good examples of historical “truths” that are just plain old malarky. Since we are really living in an age of that it is newly timely I think.


42 posted on 02/04/2013 8:26:05 PM PST by jocon307
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To: heartwood
If you read Josephine Tey’s The Daughter of Time, you’ll see an alternate theory that RIII’s successor/overthrower, Henry VI, killed off the little princes.

Henry VI died in 1471. You mean VII.

Too obvious. I suspected Henry Stafford Strafford 2d Duke of Buckingham... before...
I noticed that all of the families of York and Lancaster had a big meeting at St Pauls Catherdal on Lady Day (25 March) 1457 where they swore to be BFFs. Over the next 30 years they all died mysterious deaths, except ... Lady Margret Beaufort, mother of Harri Tudur, later Henry VII.

Cherchez la femme

And I swear I spotted this before I saw Princes in the Tower (2005)

43 posted on 02/04/2013 8:41:57 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: JouleZ
Reagans house will be the Kenyans library parking lot..

Funny; did read 'about that'. Yes; it is amazing.

Hard enough getting 'Justice' for some deserving Presidents; seems to much to hope for; to see just a little 'poetic Justice' for our current one. 'If only'.

44 posted on 02/04/2013 8:47:32 PM PST by cricket (Push Back Lib Agenda's; Lib propaganda; Lib/Marxist PC; Lib Leaderhship)
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To: Tupelo
Say what you want, but the facial reconstruction is just plain cool.

I love that kind of thing. I love the one guy that does reconstructions in the U.S. for missing persons. He did it for that famous killer they featured on America's Most Wanted. Oh geez, trying to think of both of their names. The killer's name would probably come to me sooner. Murdered his family in CT in 60's or 70's and started a new life. Anyway, the guy that does them has a 6th sense about it.

Found it: John List was the murderer.

America's Most Wanted, John List

When cops saw List, they were shocked. He looked exactly like Frank Bender's bust -- right down to the glasses.

Frank Bender

Wow, through You Tube found out Frank Bender had/has Stage 4 lung cancer as of 2011. I wonder if he's still alive.

Frank Bender; Forensic Sculptor, video discussing his lung cancer

45 posted on 02/04/2013 8:48:40 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Tupelo

Yep, Frank Bender died in 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bender

Francis Augustus “Frank” Bender (June 16, 1941 – July 28, 2011) was a world-renowned autodidact forensic artist and fine artist. He made facial reconstructions of the dead based on their skeletons, and of fugitives based on out of date photographs, with his reconstructions showing how they might look in the present day.


46 posted on 02/04/2013 8:51:20 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

But why does he look like Peter O’Toole in Lawrence of Arabia ???

another cousin ???


47 posted on 02/04/2013 10:50:07 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: beaversmom

I’m thinking Alan Rickman as Severus Snape when I see the Richard face (not just because I’m a Snapefan).

Interesting to read the tweets of the British about this — actors and other famous folk are fascinated by this news!


48 posted on 02/04/2013 11:15:17 PM PST by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: Controlling Legal Authority

Not guilty:)


49 posted on 02/04/2013 11:17:33 PM PST by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: Moonmad27
Interesting to read the tweets of the British about this — actors and other famous folk are fascinated by this news!

Neat! If you have time, you'll have to share some of the more interesting tweets. I had to look up Severus Snape. I've seen some Harry Potters, some bits and pieces, but have never been dedicated with it. Love Rickman's voice. He and Jeremy Irons have great voices. Found this on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5qloszXpJw

50 posted on 02/04/2013 11:27:29 PM PST by beaversmom
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