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Massad Ayoob, firearms expert, was in helicopter that crashed in St. Lucie County on Saturday
wptv.com ^ | 01/28/2013 | Will Greenlee, Elliott Jones, Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/

Posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:52 PM PST by Nachum

ST. LUCIE COUNTY — A small helicopter that crashed Saturday in far western St. Lucie County was carrying an internationally known firearms expert who was hunting wild hogs from the air using a handgun.

Live Oak resident Massad Ayoob, 64, his hunting companion Jonathan Strayer, 46, and pilot William Harward, 55, were above the tree tops, at about 100 feet, when the Hiller helicopter lost power and plunged to the ground around 9:15 a.m. Saturday, Ayoob said Monday.

“A few minutes into the flight, as we were zoning in on an oinker that had run under the canopy of some tall pines, the engine lost power,” he said.

The helicopter’s main rotor hit the trees, shattering the blades, said Ayoob. His home of Live Oak is east of Tallahassee in Suwannee County.

Ayoob, Strayer and Harward walked away — with cuts, bruises and some bleeding — and used a cellphone to call for help.

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Ayoob is a widely known firearms and self-defense expert who heads up the Lethal Force Institute in New Hampshire. He has written books and articles on such things as combat techniques and firearms.
1 posted on 02/04/2013 6:44:06 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Seems to be a lot of prominent firearm experts dying these days.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 6:46:28 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Nachum

Okay. I’m all in now. Conspiracy? Damn right.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 6:47:06 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Jonty30

Looks like he survived this crash, though.


4 posted on 02/04/2013 6:48:17 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Nachum

Sounds fun but if he was a real man he’d hunt hogs with a knife.


5 posted on 02/04/2013 6:48:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
I've done that. I disrecommend the experience.

/johnny

6 posted on 02/04/2013 6:54:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jonty30
Seems to be a lot of prominent firearm experts dying these days.

Now people are ACTIVELY hunting for any story having anything remotely to do with anyone involved in firearms having anything bad happen to them.

3 months ago this story probably wouldn't have been posted to FR, and you never would have known about it.

7 posted on 02/04/2013 6:55:32 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: driftdiver

“if he was a real man he’d hunt hogs with a knife”

HA!

While I admit to carry a butter knife as backup,

my primary weapon is a fly swatter.....


8 posted on 02/04/2013 6:56:35 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nachum

writes columns for NRA magazines. relieved he’s semi-ok.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 7:02:53 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: Nachum

It’s all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.


10 posted on 02/04/2013 7:04:25 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: JRandomFreeper; driftdiver; Nachum
We have some Vietnamese around the neighborhood who regularly take deer the old fashioned way ~ jump on them and break their necks.

This part of Fairfax county has about 50,000 deer. The Northern part has maybe 65,000 or more. Otherwise it's fairly urban. The government continues to dither on a way to reduce these herds ~ it was so bad the last three years I only needed to mow my lawn about 6 times since it was getting cropped nicely by deer.

11 posted on 02/04/2013 7:05:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jonty30

No fatalities this time. Ayoob walked away from the crash.


12 posted on 02/04/2013 7:05:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Strategerist

Yep, kind of like the anti-frackers looking for any tiny earthquake as proof of the evils of fracking. Suddenly you see 1.1 earthquakes in the news even though in the past, they wouldn’t even make a USGS monitor report.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 7:05:38 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Strategerist

Yes, this story would have been posted. He’s not a nobody. He’s well known and respected around here.

That’s the thing: all of these guys are. Noveske, Kyle, FPSRussia, Ayoob, 1-2 others ... They’d all garner multiple FR threads. They all went (Ayoob’s honorable mention included) within days of each other. And they’re all names which some non-shooter tasked with identifying “insider leaders” would come up with. The list might seem a bit odd to those of us inside this box, but makes a certain sense as viewed from outside by someone looking to disrupt.

Odd coincidence I hope.
I’m not one for conspiracy theories (fond of shredding them instead).
Keep an eye on the news; one more such incident and methinks things will get very ugly very fast.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 7:07:21 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Nachum

Wow!
I am glad they walked away.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 7:08:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: G Larry
“if he was a real man he’d hunt hogs with a knife”

Ain't nuttin. I have a cousin who hunts bear with a switch. Big ole gal, that one ;-)

16 posted on 02/04/2013 7:09:13 PM PST by Don Carlos (01/20/2009 - Begin the Obama Interregnum. Will it ever end?)
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To: Nachum
In the Gravest Extreme...
17 posted on 02/04/2013 7:11:10 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Don Carlos

Ya, first liar doesn’t stand a chance....

Here at FR, apparently, neither does the second....


18 posted on 02/04/2013 7:13:36 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: ctdonath2

Two might be a coincidence. More, not so much.


19 posted on 02/04/2013 7:15:55 PM PST by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Nachum

Ugh Oh!.... not another “accident”...
Many of the right people will notice “this”....


20 posted on 02/04/2013 7:20:27 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Diogenesis

“Once is happenstance. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is enemy action.” — Auric Goldfinger


21 posted on 02/04/2013 7:21:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I haven't tried that, but I did get treed by a pack of hogs last summer. I was out hiking and saw them coming up the trail toward me, so I shot up a nearby maple and let them pass. There were 12-14 piglets, 8-9 juveniles, 3 sows, and big old boar who looked to be in the 375-400 pound range and had an impressive set of tusks.

As he passed under me, he stopped and looked up at me. You could almost see the calculations going through his mind as how best to knock me off my perch.

22 posted on 02/04/2013 7:22:06 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

“Looks like he survived, though.”

That’s good. But it does seem like many prominent people, who are opposed to Obama have an unnaturally short existence.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 7:22:38 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
I waded into an 8'x8' trap with a 100lb sow and I was just carrying a 10" carver. It was exciting. I ruined a pair of shoes. The pig died. I didn't.

I'm not likely to do that again. Best ribs I ever ate, though.

/johnny

24 posted on 02/04/2013 7:27:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

That’s because the conspirators are really really bad at what they are doing. THey couldn’t figure out how to kill a man with a helicopter crash.


25 posted on 02/04/2013 7:28:40 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jonty30

Since half of us are opposed to Obama, do you really think it’s going to be hard to find prominent people having accidents who are opposed to Obama?

I generally think of FR as populated by intelligent people, who understand human nature. The recent conspiracy threads have led me to question that assumption.

Come on, people. Surely this is not a foreign concept? Like when you suddenly notice dozens of cars that are like the car you just bought, and you think everybody is following your lead?


26 posted on 02/04/2013 7:35:18 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Nachum

Glad to hear he walked away from it. Lately there seems to be a lot of bad joo joo for anybody in the firearms theatre. Chicagocide?


27 posted on 02/04/2013 7:37:32 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nachum

I didn’t realize Ayoob lived in Live Oak which is in North Florida. My Daddy was born there. It is a nice town with a lot of rural area, ideal for hunting or fishing along the Suwanee River.

I respect Ayoob as he knows his stuff but he can be a litle slipery in making his reports.

I had to drive to Defuniak Springs Saturday and saw a wild hog beside the road where he had been hit by a vehicle. Today I had to go to the Dr. and coming home, I noticed a flock of turkeys, big ones tho I think they were all hens.

I have a lifetime hunting license but I knew Turkeys weren’t in season. I would like to get one this year as they are one of the tastiest game out there.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 7:40:33 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The local nature preserve (Bernheim Forest) where I usually hike has been suffering from a severe wild pig problem for the past couple of years. There was talk about allowing a controlled hunt, but in the end they brought in some professional hunters and they helped get the problem under control. There are still quite a few out there, but not nearly as many as there were a few years ago.

Their main problem right now is an overpopulation of white tails. They have so many deer that they are stripping away all of the groundcover, which has resulted in severe erosion problems.

29 posted on 02/04/2013 7:43:04 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

‘Chicagocide?’

Yep.


30 posted on 02/04/2013 7:43:16 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: cyn

I recognized that name roght away... he writes for Backwoods Home, doesn’t he?


31 posted on 02/04/2013 7:44:08 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: driftdiver; kanawa
Sounds fun but if he was a real man he’d hunt hogs with a knife.

Ifin he wuz a FReeper, he'da kilt hisself a bear with a knife...

32 posted on 02/04/2013 8:01:57 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Nano Black Helicopters

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

33 posted on 02/04/2013 8:06:41 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Rodamala

Right — http://www.backwoodshome.com/ayoob_index.html


34 posted on 02/04/2013 8:12:30 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: Nachum
Somewhere Heinrich Himmler smiles at his ideological grandchildren.
35 posted on 02/04/2013 8:14:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Nachum

Like thousands of shooters, I’m proud to say I met him at an event and shook his hand.

I was holding my breath reading this, until I saw that he walked away....whew....


36 posted on 02/04/2013 8:17:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes, the one that got away....


37 posted on 02/04/2013 8:19:44 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It’s not simply prominent people. It’s noted firearms professionals (and military). Mighty odd coinkidinks. It’s like being totally surrounded by the same car (probably bullet-proof black SUVs)...


38 posted on 02/04/2013 8:20:14 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues)
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To: Travis McGee

Stunned and relieved here too. 250+ hours in LFI.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 8:40:16 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: cyn

If you name 5 people, and then they die in the next two weeks — that is a real conspiracy.

If 5 people die in the next two weeks, and then you name them — that’s how your brain works, looking for patterns.

There are many things that surprise people, and because they don’t understand, they think it is significant. Like the dual questions of whether someone in the room shares your birthday, and whether two people in the room share a birthday. People assume the first is rare, because with 365 days to choose from, they think you need hundreds of people to find someone with your date. And in fact, for there two be a 50% chance, you need about 250 people in the room.

BUT, for a 50% chance that SOMEONE has the same birthday, you only need 23 people. So in a room of 30 people, SOMEONE is going to ask the question, and find a match. And since they think the odds were low (remember, 250 people for 50%), they think something odd is happening. Because once you know YOU are the one who has the match, the self-selection is forgotten.

I once went to the office of a subcontractor, and while I was talking I noticed my briefcase sitting on his table. I knew it was mine, because it was dialed to my combination. But it couldn’t be, and I asked him. Turned out he, like I, had set it to his birthday — and we had the same birthday. A remarkable coincidence indeed, that we shared a birthday AND the same briefcase AND set it to our birthday.

But not a sign of a conspiracy — it’s just that in the random nature of the world, almost everything happens to someone somewhere. SOMEONE will flip a coin 100 times and get heads every time. And to THAT person, it won’t seem like random chance, they will think it is something very special.

When you look behind the stories here, it is easy to see there is nothing really connecting them.

And yes, I’ve looked up and found myself surrounded by the same car — my car. And I thought “Wow, that’s odd”. But it is bound to happen to someone at sometime. And you won’t notice the millions of times you look up and are NOT surrounded by 4 other cars just like yours. But you will remember the one time they were all Priuses.

Last anecdote. During the hunt for the DC Sniper, everybody was looking for white box vans. Why? Because it turns out that at almost any time in any crowded location, if you look up, you’ll see a white panel van with no markings (just try it, it’s scary). So every time they asked witnesses, a bunch would always report seeing a white panel van. The actual perp was driving a blue sedan.


40 posted on 02/04/2013 8:52:15 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: null and void

Wow, I was just thinkg about Ayoob about 5-7 days ago - read some of his stuff back in the early 1990’s.


41 posted on 02/04/2013 8:57:07 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Nachum

Never ,ever trust a helicopter. Ask Francis Gary Powers.


42 posted on 02/04/2013 9:48:26 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Nachum

Never ,ever trust a helicopter. Ask Francis Gary Powers.


43 posted on 02/04/2013 9:48:32 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Cyman
Never ,ever trust a helicopter. Ask Francis Gary Powers.

Or Stevie Ray Vaughan

44 posted on 02/04/2013 9:50:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Damn - The things we northerners don't know !

I better tell my son...

45 posted on 02/04/2013 10:19:07 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: Nachum
Back in the day when I was first shooting handguns I read everything I could find by Ayoob and Ross Seyfried (sp?).

Damn, I can't believe how long ago that has been now. Glad he made it ok.

46 posted on 02/04/2013 10:38:42 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Cyman

How does a Hiller get airborne with three adult males on board?


47 posted on 02/04/2013 11:17:49 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: driftdiver

I don’t know about that. Seems pretty gutsy crashing a helicopter on top of a hog to kill it.


48 posted on 02/04/2013 11:19:21 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: driftdiver; null and void
"Sounds fun but if he was a real man he'd hunt hogs with a knife."

You mean, like this knife?

Thanks for the Ping, Nully.

49 posted on 02/05/2013 12:02:48 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome ("Obama": His entire life is Photoshopped.)
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To: G Larry

I’ve only ever needed a Q-tip for hunting. It’s the most humane way.


50 posted on 02/05/2013 2:34:07 AM PST by Anvilhead (In my lifetime we've gone from citizens to subjects.)
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