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EXCLUSIVE: Justice Dept...reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans [No Due Process]
NBC ^ | 2/4/13 | Michael Isikoff

Posted on 02/05/2013 2:45:39 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.

The secrecy surrounding such strikes is fast emerging as a central issue in this week’s hearing of White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, a key architect of the drone campaign, to be CIA director.

(Excerpt) Read more at openchannel.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; crime; donutwatch; drone; drones; dronestrikes; dueprocess; terror; trial
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First of all, I want to see scumbag Al Qaeda types eliminated as much as anyone.

Thing is, if they're American citizens, the Constitution says they should receive DUE PROCESS...at least of some sort.

Remember when Bush caught that scumbag who was trying to blow up a dirty bomb? Or that John Walker Lindh asswipe?

The left boo-hooed all day for those idiots. But they weren't executed--today, Obama and his thug Eric the red are killing Americans THEY "deem" to be dangerous.

How long until they target other Americans?

1 posted on 02/05/2013 2:46:01 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
If these ass clowns won't have to try real hard to start a revolt.

Just my humble opinion, but since they are justifying their selves, how long will a prudent group of Americans justify the need to say enough.

DC is playing a game that they have no idea how it will end.

But it won't be pretty for anyone.

2 posted on 02/05/2013 3:16:46 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Spot on. If this was Bush doing the killing the Left would be having fits. But as it stands, the silence is deafening.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 3:23:21 AM PST by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

4 posted on 02/05/2013 3:24:17 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: SERE_DOC
U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force”

An associated force? Why not "enemy of the people"? Or "counter-revolutionary"?

DC is playing a game that they have no idea how it will end.

So true. These arrogant bahstids think they can invoke chaos and then control the chaos. They are so full of themselves that they think that after a mega-transition, that they will remain unscathed in any way; that they will ride out the storm.

5 posted on 02/05/2013 3:49:59 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Yo-Yo

That really needs to be a window sticker.........


6 posted on 02/05/2013 3:50:57 AM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Does anyone doubt that our government already spies on, detains and kills American citizens without due process?


7 posted on 02/05/2013 4:21:16 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: SoFloFreeper

They’re monitoring our computers, our banking and credit card transactions, our votes and our gun purchases. It’s not AQ they’re out to eliminate.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 4:37:23 AM PST by bgill
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To: SoFloFreeper
Well it seems our 2nd amendment rights must be defined so that we can purchase these.

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There are 20 to 30 K of the Russian version from Libyan arsenals floating around the Magreb. Surely we can pick up a few at bargain prices? Thank goodness Obama made them available to private individuals.

9 posted on 02/05/2013 4:38:18 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: VRW Conspirator

The Current Regime is following almost the same script that was in play in Argentina during the 1970’s, when “death squads” were active in the country, taking out what were euphemistically called “communist” elements, but in practice, just about anybody who raised an objection to the activities and methods of the authoritarian Peronistas. And this included other “Peronista” elements who chose to disagree with the imperial powers lodged in Buenos Aires.

These squads would maintain telephone and visual surveillance on any suspect of their choosing, and would sometimes not strike directly, but at family members and relatively innocent associates of the targeted individuals, creating a terroristic atmosphere and a vast amount of induced paranoia. There were dark tales of persons who were “disappeared” and sent to rendition prisons far from their homes, but few episodes of later return.

Richard Nixon was accused of doing just this sort of thing, but that was never demonstrated even during the darkest days of Watergate. The Current Regime, however, has managed to escape such a tarbrush, even though they DO actively practice such a “secret police” approach through the provisions of Homeland Security regulations.

The storm approaches.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 4:53:17 AM PST by alloysteel (If conspiracy does not exist everywhere, it exists nowhere.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
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11 posted on 02/05/2013 5:04:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Pan_Yan
To: SoFloFreeper
Does anyone doubt that our government already spies on, detains and kills American citizens without due process?...

Not for one minute. Too many unexplained or suspicious deaths lately to think that there isn't some kind of collusion going on.

12 posted on 02/05/2013 5:15:55 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: SoFloFreeper

The possibility exists they are trying to create fear for the purpose of control. A paranoic society if you will in constant fear, and always looking up to the skies is a controllable society in the sense that even the most brazen of opposition leaders, and say opposition bloggers would temper their critique, their assertiveness, their aggressiveness of the government for fear of being targeted by Fearless Leader.

A possibility.


13 posted on 02/05/2013 5:25:46 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There goes the Fifth and Seventh Amendments. Any sensible person knew those two would follow the First (HHS mandate ignoring the free exercise clause), Second (massively ignored by NY, Chicago, DC, and ATF), Fourth (TSA, online monitoring, warrantless searches), Sixth (The Martin-Zimmerman prosecution intentionally tainting the jury pool, with the full support of the Holder's Department of "Justice"), Eighth (ObamaCare $1.3 million per day fines on Hobby Lobby as just one example), Ninth (massively ignored), and Tenth (massively ignored) Amendments into oblivion.

Some day our grandchildren will ask, "What was freedom like?" What will we answer? "It was fabulous, but now we have all the free birth control that even the biggest floozies at Georgetown University could use and we decided that would be even better. Besides, I'm sure the people our government kills deserve it, and trials just waste time and money."


14 posted on 02/05/2013 5:33:22 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: SoFloFreeper

What’s new about this?

The terrorist attacks have been following the Weather Underground playbook since the 1st WTC bombing in 1993.

The Weather Underground screwed up when it used domestic terrorist for the attacks in association with the civil unrest they were stirring up prior to the attacks. It was simply criminal acts.

By ginning up civil unrest then using foreign terrorist for the attacks it becomes an act of war.

Since 1993 ‘s WTC bombing, prior to each and every major attack, attempted attack, or threat of attack the left has always ginned up civil unrest, attempted to gin up civil unrest, or had a plan to gin up civil unrest.

In 2009 the Obama administration with the help of their allies in the MSM began orchestrating news stories of the “Violent Tea Party” and how the “Tea Party” was nothing more than a bunch of Tim McVeigh wanna bees.

Low and behold in 2010 there was a car bombing attempt in NYC, and because it was a fertilizer bomb that proved it just had to be the “Violent Tea Party” behind the attack.

Turned out to be a muslim and he was caught. Because the bomb didn’t go off there was no mass panic and the news media suddenly went silent on the “Violent Tea Party”. The bombing attempt was pretty much ignored.

Had that bomb gone off the msm would have tied the Tea Party to collaborating with muslims terrorist to wage war against the US.

The Tea Party would be an “associate” of al Qaida today.

If the Obama administration can successfully tie some militant group, be it on the left or on the right, with collaborating with foreign terrorist to wage war against the US, you will have federal troops in the streets.

Don’t kid yourselves. Our troops will fire on American citizens if they believe those citizens are waging war against the US.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 5:39:13 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: SoFloFreeper; All

Obamadrone strikes on Americans are what Obama probably meant when he has frequently said: “Every American deserves a ‘fair’ shot. “


16 posted on 02/05/2013 5:39:13 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Pan_Yan
Does anyone doubt that our government already spies on, detains and kills American citizens without due process?

(cough, cough) Breitbart (cough, cough)!
17 posted on 02/05/2013 5:44:28 AM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Is anybody surprised by this?


18 posted on 02/05/2013 5:44:51 AM PST by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: IMR 4350
Our troops will fire on American citizens if they believe those citizens are waging war against the US.

Perhaps. But if the SHTF, I'd be very, very surprised if a sizable number of our troops did not either throw down their weapons and refuse, or actively join the other (our) side.

19 posted on 02/05/2013 5:52:31 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: SoFloFreeper

We are supposed to take comfort knowing that when the administration assissinates an American Citizen it will be legal. Where are the civil libertarians? Will they throw a giant $hit-fit like the did for Bush’s wire-tapping or will they sell out like NOW and the NAACP because the current batch has a ‘D’ after their names?


20 posted on 02/05/2013 5:55:42 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The US/NATO created Al Qaeda in the late seventies to fight the Russians. The US/NATO is using Al Qaeda on this very day to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria, which has never attacked the USA.

The Patriot Act, the NDAA, the DHS, and the TSA were never about going after Al Qaeda. It was always intended, since its creation by Bush, to go be used to go after the American people, specifically gun owners, libertarians, conservatives, returning vets and anyone else that resists.

21 posted on 02/05/2013 5:58:33 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: SoFloFreeper

Just to be clear..

This is intended for US. WE are THEIR terrorists.


22 posted on 02/05/2013 5:58:38 AM PST by myself6 (NOT voting for the GOP's socialist - Romney)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I wonder if this policy would have authorized a drone strine at Ruby Ridge?


23 posted on 02/05/2013 6:00:28 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Once they declare the Tea Party a terrorist group they can hunt us down and assassinate us with abandon.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 6:01:01 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Bunk

Troops wouldn’t know who’s the good guy is and who’s the bad guy is. They would only know what they have been told and they would disarm everyone. Anyone fires on them when they are doing it is the bad guy no matter what side it is.

The troops job would be to restore order, and they would do it.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 6:06:00 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Troops wouldn’t know who’s the good guy is and who’s the bad guy is. They would only know what they have been told and they would disarm everyone. Anyone fires on them when they are doing it is the bad guy no matter what side it is.

The troops job would be to restore order, and they would do it.

Perhaps.

But based on how I know my classmates feel about this, and politics and general, I think a non inconsequential portion of our troops, particularly among the officer corps, would disobey.

26 posted on 02/05/2013 6:13:07 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: norwaypinesavage

No.

Had the Clinton’s successfully tied Tim McVeigh with muslim/Iraqi govt. terrorist to wage war against the US, then so called “right wing extremist” tied to McVeigh and muslim/Iraqi govt. terrorist could be targeted since it would be an act of war.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 6:15:36 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: P-Marlowe
Once they declare the Tea Party a terrorist group they can hunt us down and assassinate us with abandon.

THIS.

This is the end game.

28 posted on 02/05/2013 6:15:53 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: norwaypinesavage

No.

Had the Clinton’s successfully tied Tim McVeigh with muslim/Iraqi govt. terrorist to wage war against the US, then so called “right wing extremist” tied to McVeigh and muslim/Iraqi govt. terrorist could be targeted since it would be an act of war.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 6:15:53 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

This is why every time there is a mass killing they look for some vague identification with the Tea Party. If they can prove anyone with a Tea Party affiliation has done some kind of mass killing, they can label all of us terrorists and send drones out to hunt us down and kill us.

They seem to be in a helluva hurry to take away our guns. They can declare anyone who ever went to a Tea Party rally either a terrorist or a mentally ill person and confiscate our guns. Then they can order assassination strikes against us.

These are the Times that try men’s souls.


30 posted on 02/05/2013 6:32:08 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

You start massive civil unrest in cities followed with terrorist attacks from foreign terrorist and making it appear as if the attacks are coming from all different sides, the troops will do what needs to be done to stop it.

The troops will be on the side the “peaceful” innocent civilians caught up in the turmoil.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 6:42:36 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: SoFloFreeper
The left boo-hooed all day for those idiots. But they weren't executed--today, Obama and his thug Eric the red are killing Americans THEY "deem" to be dangerous.

Remember how the left went after Lawyers John Woo and Bybee, the authors of the legal memo for "roughing up" the terrorist? Oh the outcry and knashing of teeth from the RATS - "Americans do not torture". Even Jon McLame had to join his fellow RATS and denounce the GWB regime.

On 4/11/08, George Bush told ABC News he personally approved of the approval of torture - including waterboarding - by Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell and George Tenet.

Bush said, "Yes, I'm aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved."

You would think a President confessing to war crimes would be on the front pages of all the nation's newspapers, and all over their editorial pages - not just on Countdown and The Daily Show.


Bing or Google "Congressional democrats go after john woo and bush legalized torture" and see what is returned.


Globe Staff / April 24, 2009
WASHINGTON - Congressional Democrats and activist groups turned up the pressure on the Obama administration yesterday to pursue investigations or prosecutions of Bush administration officials who authorized brutal interrogations of terrorist suspects.


32 posted on 02/05/2013 6:54:36 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: alloysteel

Homeland InSecurity has officially named vets and constitutionalists domestic terrorist enemies. Holder has tried to frame ‘milita’ members for domestic terrorist crimes and lost in court. With this power, Obama could murder them without a trial. Democrats have called both the Tea Party and the NRA terrorist organizations. In the meantime a real jihadist murdered soldiers at Fort Hood and Obama named that workplace violence.

Liberals are unethical liars and conivers, they can not be trusted with this power to rationize the murder of Americans they don’t like.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 6:57:24 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: P-Marlowe
These are the Times that try men’s souls.

Indeed. At least we have the solace of knowing that the choices involved are crystal clear, and that our side is in the right.

34 posted on 02/05/2013 6:59:29 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: SoFloFreeper
King FOR LIFE in a land of low information voters and illegal aliens (Introduced Jan 4, 2013)
35 posted on 02/05/2013 7:00:55 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: SoFloFreeper

After reading homeland security wants to use drones on the hundred mile border I wonder if they mean one hundred miles inside the US. If so, I am worried. Repeal the patriot act for heavens sake! They are coming to kill us.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 7:26:29 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: myself6

Deep in the heart of every leftist is the desire to use the power of the State to murder those that disagree with them or refuse to acknowledge their supremacy.


37 posted on 02/05/2013 7:31:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoFloFreeper

How long until we are all “associated forces”?


38 posted on 02/05/2013 7:33:20 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: SaraJohnson

Just as the question -

which car would be safer, one with an 0bama sticker at a Tea Party event, or one with a Romney sticker at an OWS event?

- has an obvious answer, so does this one -

which would be more likely,
a drone strike within the borders of America by a conservative president on a known leftist,
or a drone strike within the borders of America by a leftist president on a known conservative?


39 posted on 02/05/2013 7:34:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cheerio

Nonsense. Serrano introduces a bill to repeal the 23rd amendment every Congress, regardless of who is President. It’s his pet project, and it never goes anywhere.


40 posted on 02/05/2013 7:51:04 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t know if Americans working with foreign enemies on foreign soil and who are supporting violence against America or American interests deserve due process but I’m no constitutional scholar.


41 posted on 02/05/2013 8:14:16 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

I would think an America who leaves the country and JOINS THE ENEMY BECOMES ... THE ENEMY!

and can be shot and killed like any of them.

I mean its not like there was any question about it- he made videos for cripe’s sake!


42 posted on 02/05/2013 8:16:18 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Those who were eager for police to accumulate drones may one day rue that desire.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 8:18:35 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: SoFloFreeper

we bend over and ass kiss the Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hassan, and almost toss out his case because he can’t grow a beard during the trial.

Meanwhile we just pick them off like flies in foreign theaters. Why don’t we just try Hassan in Afghanistan?

Play dodge the drone.


44 posted on 02/05/2013 8:18:40 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: SoFloFreeper
by the way, does anyone know how much money a drone typically costs? millions?
45 posted on 02/05/2013 8:19:18 AM PST by johnsondavid841
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To: Mr. K

Obama has set the precedent. The next Jane Fonda can expect to be blown to smithereens. LOL


46 posted on 02/05/2013 8:24:47 AM PST by bkepley
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sorry folks... But Americans that join Al Queda need to be killed just like any other terrorist scumbag. It’s a war paradigm, not a law enforcement paradigm. I’m suspicious of Obama’s motives just like everybody else... And I’ve got my own end-game stockpiles... But this doesn’t scare me. It’s a confirmation of— indeed a vindication of Bush policy on the very same matter. We don’t need be going into foreign lands to pull American Muslim slime out for prosecution. We need to just exterminate them alongside their vermin buddies. They joined the enemy. This is a capability that any President will need for many years to come. Unfortunately that also includes the doofus currently in office.

This isn’t about launching drone strikes inside the U.S. against the Tea Party. If he was really going to do that he wouldn’t need to bother making it legal. The time for that will have been long gone.


47 posted on 02/05/2013 8:30:58 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

” or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S. “

All they need to do is to claim a local Tea Party chapter had links to Al Qaeda.

Boom.

Dead conservatives.

Dead Freepers.


48 posted on 02/05/2013 8:35:38 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
That really needs to be a window sticker.........

It is...

49 posted on 02/05/2013 8:46:24 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Altariel

Oh nonsense. This dopey thread is reading like the DUmmie FUnnies.


50 posted on 02/05/2013 8:47:57 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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