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The Problem(s) of Women in Combat (part 1)
Political Animal Blog ^ | January 25, 2013 The Problem(s) of | Jude Eden, Jane of Trades

Posted on 02/05/2013 7:24:58 AM PST by Nachum

It’s not all about qualification. I’m speaking as a female Marine Iraq war vet who did serve in the combat zone doing entry checkpoint duty in Fallujah, and we worked with the grunts daily for that time. All the branches still have different standards for females and males. Why? Because most women wouldn’t even qualify to be in the military if they didn’t. Men and women are different, but those pushing women into combat don’t want to admit that truth. They huff and puff about how women can do whatever men can do, but it just ain’t so. We’re built differently, and it doesn’t matter that one particular woman could best one particular man. The best woman is still no match for the best man, and most of the men she’d be fireman-carrying off the battlefield will be at least 100lbs heavier than she with their gear on.

Women are often great shooters but can’t run in 50-80lbs of gear as long, hard or fast as men. Military training is hard enough on men’s bodies, it’s harder on women’s. And until women stop menstruating there will always be an uphill battle for staying level and strong at all times. No one wants to talk about the fact that in the days before a woman’s cycle she loses half her strength, to say nothing of the emotional ups and downs that affect judgment. And how would you like fighting through PMS symptoms while clearing a town or going through a firefight? Then there are the logistics of making all the accommodations for women in the field, from stopping the convoy to pee or because her cycle started to stripping down to get hosed off after having to go into combat with full MOP gear when there’s a biological threat.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: combat; women
When I deployed we’d hardly been in country a few weeks before one of our females had to be sent home because she’d gotten pregnant
1 posted on 02/05/2013 7:25:08 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Let's give women the opportunity to play in the NFL, NHL, NBA, and MLB. They are a true meritocracy. Can any woman compete in these leagues? Why do we have separate professional leagues for basketball, soccer, etc. Why does the Olympics make gender distinctions?

Can it be any more obvious that there are physical differences among the genders? Yes, women can serve in combat flying jets or helicopters. They can serve in logistical support units bearing in mind that in many circumstances there are no real frontlines. But insinuating them into the infrantry is a much different matter. Biology is a bitch.

2 posted on 02/05/2013 7:33:51 AM PST by kabar
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To: Nachum

When businesses and markets make decisions we find no women in the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.

When politicians make decisions we find women in front line combat.

Are we to believe that front line combat is “a piece of cake”? Easiser than professional sports?


3 posted on 02/05/2013 7:34:06 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Nachum
They wanted equal rights since the 60’s. Now they have them. Live with it. And I don't want to hear any more nonsense about “men make more money for the same job nonsense out of the feminists either!
4 posted on 02/05/2013 7:38:26 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Nachum

The writer is correct on all points and I have no quibble with anything she wrote. One small addition would have been that the military exists for national defense and is not a national social program or experiment. The article certainly carried that sentiment but I believe this needs to be said repeatedly, especially for those who support this nonsensical notion but mostly haven’t Been There or Done That, unlike the author.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 7:39:22 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Nachum

If women want to be in combat, peeing and stripping down shouldn’t even be a factor.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 7:41:22 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Nachum
They huff and puff about how women can do whatever men can do, but it just ain’t so.

Years ago, I worked in a graveyard shift for an assembly plant. There were only six of us, so we got very well acquainted. Our job was to cleanup the unfinished work from the day shift and set up the line so they could go full bore after we went home.

One night, one of the women on our crew huffed and puffed about how women can do whatever men can do. Our foreman turned to her and said "I'd like to see you stand on the edge of a bathtub and pee in the toilet." The look on her face was priceless.

7 posted on 02/05/2013 7:42:57 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Moleman

My military experiences predates the end of the draft so I have little experience with women in military beyond the women’s army corps. That said, I think the issue of women in the infantry or frankly on a warship is ridicules. As Clint Eastwood’s character said in the Enforcer: What do you think this is, some kind of encounter group?


8 posted on 02/05/2013 7:47:51 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: stuartcr

Screw privacy, if they want to be there then to heck with it. And why should women even get a choice? level the playing field or admit that men and women are different.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 7:50:22 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Bingo.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 7:51:47 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: T-Bird45

T-Bird45: “One small addition would have been that the military exists for national defense and is not a national social program or experiment.”

That’s simply not true. It might have been true at one time, but it’s pretty clear the modern military exists primarily as a vehicle of social justice.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 7:52:52 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: driftdiver

That’s what I say. Say they are different but that it doesn’t really matter. Just treat them like physically weak men.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 8:01:54 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: kabar

The Russians and the Israelis both had a go at women in combat. Both quickly learned it wasn’t practical for all these reasons and retreated.

Of course insular America, seeming to want to know nothing about what goes on in the rest of the world (nor learn from their mistakes), is going to try and reinvent the wheel again.


13 posted on 02/05/2013 8:02:59 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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14 posted on 02/05/2013 8:03:37 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: T-Bird45

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15 posted on 02/05/2013 8:03:55 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: stuartcr

“Just treat them like physically weak men.”

They should meet the same requirements as the men, period.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 8:05:27 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum

The Army’s physical fitness test in basic training is a three-event physical performance test used to assess endurance. The minimum requirement for 17- to 21-year-old males is 35 pushups, 47 situps and a two-mile run in 16 minutes, 36 seconds or less. For females of the same age, the minimum requirement is 13 pushups, 47 situps and a 19:42 two-mile run. Why the difference in fitness requirements? “USMC Women in the Service Restrictions Review” found that women, on average, have 20 percent lower aerobic power, 40 percent lower muscle strength, 47 percent less lifting strength and 26 percent slower marching speed than men.

I am on the down side of middle age and I guarantee that I can do more chins, pull-ups, and pushups than 99% of these young women. The distance run—well, my left knee is not what it once was. As a former college wrestler, I would humbly submit to a match with selected female recruits in top physical shape too.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 8:06:39 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: driftdiver

There are lots of men that can pass the requirements, but afterwards do not keep up those standards. Not every man in the military is a hero.. Let them compete, if they pass, they pass and if they live, they live.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 8:13:33 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Nachum
Rolling Stone has an interesting article this week about Sexual Harrassment in the military. Setting aside what occurred, and any definitions of "harrassment".....

Sez me, they might have inadvertently proved their opposition's point.

Namely, if a female soldier cannot reasonably expect to protect herself from being debilitated by sexual harrassment ...right here in America, in a bar, just outside of her base's gate.....

How in the hell can she be reasonably expected to handle the cream of the Chinese (Or Iranian, or whoever) Infantry when they com charging over the hill, with full armored, air, and artillery support?

19 posted on 02/05/2013 8:15:51 AM PST by wbill
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To: Nachum

I would imagine, it is difficult enough for the spouse who stays at home with the 3 kids, without having to worry about the other half “sharing a foxhole” (isolation, dependency, close physical contact etc) with the opposite sex day in day out.
Why make things more difficult for military families?
Is it some deliberate attempt to weaken every aspect of the military?
Just introduce social chaos, and the structure deteriorates?


20 posted on 02/05/2013 8:19:36 AM PST by two23 (My Dad said they were all commies back in the 60's. He was right.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I’ve had to sit thru some of the briefings in the past.

They will say, True women don’t have the upper body strenght.

Then they will say, women just have to carry loads differently.

They claim that women can carry the same load as a man just not on their backs/shoulders. Their is some new carrying techniques which I’ve never seen in action.

(They being the ones trying to convince everyone that this will work.)

There are still women in the maintenance fields who can’t break a torque wrench.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 8:36:39 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Nachum
Traditional values say that men are to protect the women and children. These "new age" values say "every man and woman and child for themselves."

It goes against nature.
22 posted on 02/05/2013 8:42:32 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: CitizenUSA

It appears you are a Realist so I’d simply ask that you allow the rest of us Idealists a moment to indulge in our optimistic fantasies of “back in the day”. :-)

You may have recently noticed my other flight of fancy, aka rant, regarding the US Military, specifically regarding a US Navy commercial on being “A Global Force for Good”: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2984705/posts

Feel free to check in to pull me back in to Realville (H/t Rush) And a pleasant day to you, my FRiend!!


23 posted on 02/05/2013 9:09:33 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Nachum

Women can do one thing men cannot do: Get pregnant, and they do in droves during every deployment to avoid deploying. NOthing like being down 30-50% of personnel for that.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 9:21:22 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: T-Bird45

“A Global Force for Good” BWAAHAHAHAH! That’s barftastic. Thanks, but I think I’ll pass on the other thread. I don’t think I can take much more of this insipid and pernicious political correctness that’s driving virtually everything in the public sector, including the military.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 9:22:30 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: USAF80

And they all know anyone with a fractional brain is aware of such BS. Stepping around a blatant lie is what those sniveling liberal politicians do best.


26 posted on 02/05/2013 10:14:55 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: kabar

The people that make these stupid a$$ decisions (such as women in combat) are liberals. Since when has anything they vomit made any sense? 90% of the crap we deal with (that comes from the government)was brought to you by some sock sucker on the left.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 10:39:42 AM PST by Captain PJ (Are we there yet?)
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To: stuartcr

You are on the wrong side of this left wing political goal.


28 posted on 02/05/2013 12:27:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

While I have no problem with women fighting and getting killed, I’m not for women in combat infantry roles.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 12:41:58 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Like I said, you are on the wrong side of this leftist goal by supporting this destruction of our military effectiveness.


30 posted on 02/05/2013 12:48:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

ok


31 posted on 02/05/2013 1:01:40 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Read the article, it will educate you to something that you need educating on.


32 posted on 02/05/2013 1:03:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

As I said earlier, if women want to be in combat, they have to be ready to pee and strip down with everyone else. They shouldn’t have separate latrines or showers. As for their period, treat it like any man that has a bout of dysentery...tough it out or fall behind.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 1:09:27 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

That is incredibly silly, what does that have to do with military effectiveness and winning wars and minimizing loss of life, and at some point even being conquered in war?


34 posted on 02/05/2013 1:52:44 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Not a thing you’re right of course.


35 posted on 02/05/2013 5:12:31 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: ansel12

Not a thing you’re right of course.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 5:12:43 PM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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