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Dems move to change federal pot laws
AdminPress ^ | Feb 4, 2013 | Salon

Posted on 02/05/2013 7:59:15 AM PST by Cheerio

Reps. Earl Blumenauer and Jared Polis to introduce bill Tuesday to end prohibition

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1 posted on 02/05/2013 7:59:23 AM PST by Cheerio
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To: Cheerio

...to end prohibition


That says it all right there. Prohibition was such a bad ammendment that it was repealed. I have not touched pot since 1977 and don’t think people should use it other than for medicinal purposes, but I also think it’s none of the government’s business to make it illegal.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 8:03:21 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I agree that is none of the Governments business, but for a different reason, If GOD created it, what business does Government have making anything GOD created Illegal??


3 posted on 02/05/2013 8:05:56 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Cheerio
How to maintain your low information voter base.

Nah. This would be a move in the right direction.

4 posted on 02/05/2013 8:07:08 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Cheerio

If Earl “The Squirrel” Blumenauer is pushing this, it is likely a bad idea.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 8:10:44 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: Cheerio

I’ve never used it but if it’s legalized I’d probably start. Why not? Might as well move back in with my parents and give up. This country isn’t worth a damn if it goes down this road anyway.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 8:11:10 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Cheerio

Let the states decide.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 8:15:03 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Tyranny -> Genocide)
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To: Cheerio

If the repubs were smart they’d do end end run around the dems by declaring the war on drugs is a massive failure , waste of money and resources and needs a whole new approach. Be the party of yes for once


8 posted on 02/05/2013 8:18:58 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Monty22002
I’ve never used it but if it’s legalized I’d probably start. Why not? Might as well move back in with my parents and give up. This country isn’t worth a damn if it goes down this road anyway.

But legalizing the lethal, more-addictive drug alcohol still left this country worth a damn? How's that add up?

9 posted on 02/05/2013 8:19:04 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Starting in the 60’s things have gotten ‘progressively’ worse and I’d put a lot of it on weed and psychedelics. At this point I’d say it’s barely worth a damn. Booze has been around through the ups and downs and doesn’t change someone’s personality in the same way.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 8:24:26 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Cheerio
"Polis’ measure would regulate marijuana the way the federal government handles alcohol: In states that legalize pot, growers would have to obtain a federal permit. Oversight of marijuana would be removed from the Drug Enforcement Administration and given to the newly renamed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms, and it would remain illegal to bring marijuana from a state where it’s legal to one where it isn’t. [...]

"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell last week came out in support of efforts to legalize hemp in his home state of Kentucky, and U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., is expected to introduce legislation allowing states to set their own policy on marijuana."

Good news!

11 posted on 02/05/2013 8:26:33 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Busywhiskers

This stuff almost always comes from the hard left. Two democrats, heroes of the liberaltarians here on FR. They know it’ll make people lazy and dull and need more democrat welfare.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 8:27:09 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Blackirish
Wrong wrong wrong. You want the gop to give ground and call one its most well-known enterprises a massive failure, giving the rats yet another stick to beat them with?

In politics you play to win, and part of that is NEVER admitting you were wrong about anything. If they want to call for 'an open dialogue' or say that the issue needs to be examined again or some other happy-talk, fine. But don't admit you were wrong.

13 posted on 02/05/2013 8:27:30 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Monty22002
Booze has been around through the ups and downs and doesn’t change someone’s personality in the same way.

Have you been around many drunks?

14 posted on 02/05/2013 8:27:44 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Monty22002
Booze has been around through the ups and downs and doesn’t change someone’s personality in the same way.

You're right - it's likelier to turn the user violent.

15 posted on 02/05/2013 8:28:14 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Yep, you love democrat plans to expand the ATF. Figures.. Just so you can get high you’d sell your soul to satan it looks.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 8:29:35 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: eyeamok

Actually, that is my reason, in a nutshell. The purpose of government is to protect us from each other, either from within or without our borders. And once they control a substance because it can cause SOME people to act in ways that harm others, they have set a dangerous precident. That thinking gives them the right to control everything we do.

Everything.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 8:30:15 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Its coming those two clowns, and you think its a good idea? Think again. Anything coming from the left is to be opposed 100%. Period.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 8:30:30 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Been around both. The pot users are more worthless in general. Drunks are bad enough, but adding legions of potheads to the mix is worse.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 8:31:04 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002

Alcohol is by far the most Dangerous and damaging DRUG in the History of the World, there is simply no comparison to any of the so-called “controlled substances”. Out of all the Mood altering substances ever unleashed onto mankind ALCOHOL is the ONLY ONE THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. And yes I am speaking from Personal Experience.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 8:33:41 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Monty22002
Starting in the 60’s things have gotten ‘progressively’ worse and I’d put a lot of it on weed and psychedelics

Thank you for saying that, I have maintained that position for years.

Now prepare for a bombardment of ridicule by those who dogmatically maintain pot is less dangerous than alcohol.

21 posted on 02/05/2013 8:34:28 AM PST by pfflier
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To: eyeamok

You think it’s worse than meth or bath salts? Hmmm..


22 posted on 02/05/2013 8:34:36 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: eyeamok

Jesus drank wine.


23 posted on 02/05/2013 8:34:46 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Cheerio

When I was a Prosecutor, almost to a man in both the CA’s office and among the police, we hated the marijuana laws and thought it should be legalized.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 8:34:52 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: pfflier

It’s a fairly small crowd of the same 10 or so lunatics. I’m used to it.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 8:36:54 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Cheerio

Prohibition failed to curb use.

Mobs earn spectacular profits and kill by the tens of thousands.

End Prohibition.


26 posted on 02/05/2013 8:38:27 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Cheerio

27 posted on 02/05/2013 8:40:00 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Monty22002

This country isn’t worth a damn if it goes down this road anyway.


This is the road we were on before prohibition. Free people have the freedom to both destroy their life or make something of it. In either case, a free person is responsible.


28 posted on 02/05/2013 8:40:15 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Monty22002

Starting in the 60’s things have gotten ‘progressively’ worse and I’d put a lot of it on weed and psychedelics. At this point I’d say it’s barely worth a damn. Booze has been around through the ups and downs and doesn’t change someone’s personality in the same way.


Maybe that is because both were prohibited by prohibition, but only one was made legal again.


29 posted on 02/05/2013 8:42:10 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Monty22002
The consequence of booze on car wrecks and domestic violence far outweighs marihuana...which is granted not harmless

I do agree that as a former tripper from that era that LSD etc did impact at least the noisy part of the generation.

But if you look at the radicals and leaders they were mostly fairly rich well off Communist families (or not)Jewish urban and suburban young people who were pre boomers rather than boomers...nearly 30 years old leading around college uninformed who had a fear of the draft

One could blame secular progressive Judaism or Communist indoctrination same as pot by your logic..or the draft.

Or the music...or jazz or beatniks

and so forth

Freepers don't get weed...I haven't smoked regularly since 1980 but today (I'm in Dixie) nearly all pot smokers I know over 25 are conservatives.

It could be geographies though.

I go up north and 40-60% of whites I know are liberals and most do not smoke dope.

Not so down here..stoners like the rest of us..trend right..in my homestate whites voted GOP 88-90%

But I do agree on the influence of the dreaded ergot...no question..it influenced not just kids but folks all through the culture

I knew it even then...so did folks like Huxley and Hoffman even earlier

but with age you realize the folly..admittedly...there is no more genuine wisdom in 10 hours of Owsley than in a bottle of Jack....but no doubt a lot more comfort in the latter

I do not recommend LSD.

30 posted on 02/05/2013 8:42:11 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Its coming those two clowns, and you think its a good idea? Think again. Anything coming from the left is to be opposed 100%. Period.


Actually, I agree with EVERYONE on some things. I Agree with Satan that Jesus is the Son of God.


31 posted on 02/05/2013 8:44:25 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Monty22002

If it was legal to rape and murder, would you? Or is rape and murder just something that is not in your nature to do?

I don’t really think legality has a lot to do with whether or not someone does something, especially something as trivial as smoking pot.


32 posted on 02/05/2013 8:45:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Monty22002

They know it’ll make people lazy and dull and need more democrat welfare.


True. But as adults it is their life to choose what to do with.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 8:45:47 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Cheerio

At the same time they are going to back off of the tobacco smokers, and the beer drinkers, and the salt on my McDonalds french fries, right?

Nah, didn’t think so.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 8:46:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

If they want to call for ‘an open dialogue’ or say that the issue needs to be examined again or some other happy-talk, fine. But don’t admit you were wrong.


I’m assuming you are being sarcastic. If you are not, I say this: A system founded on that principle is doomed to failure.

Come to think of it, here we are...


35 posted on 02/05/2013 8:47:23 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Monty22002

You think it’s (alcohol) worse than meth or bath salts? Hmmm..”

Yes.Alcohol has ruined more families, wrecked more motor vehicles, killed more people, caused more property damage, raped more women, etc. than any drug ever has.


36 posted on 02/05/2013 8:47:42 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: Cheerio

I don’t like pot. I don’t smoke pot. I tried it in college and hated it. That aside, I hate the war on some drugs even more.

If someone wants to smoke pot, that’s their business. As long as they aren’t driving, I don’t have a big problem. As far as the feds go, they need to stay out of these areas and leave it for the states.


37 posted on 02/05/2013 8:49:03 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: pfflier
Now prepare for a bombardment of ridicule by those who dogmatically maintain pot is less dangerous than alcohol.

Speaking from personal experience and observation (which are the only things I can speak from)...my high school was literally like every Cheech and Chong movie ever made. Lots of regular pot smokers in there. And I have to say, from what I've observed, marijuana DID prove to be the Gateway Drug to harder stuff for nearly every one of them. At least the ones who are still alive.


38 posted on 02/05/2013 8:49:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Its coming those two clowns, and you think its a good idea? Think again. Anything coming from the left is to be opposed 100%. Period.

Baloney. The federal War on Drugs has been a dog from the get-go; a complete over-reach of federal powers. Many on the "right" feel this way as well.

39 posted on 02/05/2013 8:50:38 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Cheerio
Nearly all things "illegal", will be "Legalized" over time, so that they can be TAXED.

Fools who think that their "freedom" is increasing have no clue that legalization of ANYTHING is ONLY done when a Beauracracy and TAXES are created to cover them.

Count on it.

40 posted on 02/05/2013 8:51:09 AM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Cheerio

Note the feds want to tax it at 50 percent. As usual follow the money. The feds just want to regulate and get their grubby snouts in the middle of these transactions. Thats all this is. Why is there any tax at all if all they want to do is legalize?


41 posted on 02/05/2013 8:51:36 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Darren McCarty

As far as the feds go, they need to stay out of these areas and leave it for the states.


Frankly, that is what it boils down to for me as well.


42 posted on 02/05/2013 8:51:39 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Monty22002

Not to sure about those two drugs, because we did not have those in the sixties, yes we had double crossers and black beauties (speed), but they were “diet Pills” given to fat women for the most part, and basically just kept you wide awake for a long time. I will agree meth is a problem, but multiple amounts of lives are Destroyed Daily from the effects of ALCOHOL, there simply is no comparison if you were to actually look at it HONESTLY and without emotion.


43 posted on 02/05/2013 8:52:06 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: pfflier

years ago I had a friend who was a total pot head.If it was a workday and he had no pot he would not go to work.He also did not care about voting.Think about it.


44 posted on 02/05/2013 8:52:55 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: stuartcr

I’ve done every legal drug. Caffeine, booze, smoking, and so on. So of course if it were legal and in stores I’d have tried the other stuff. I have an ethical outlook on life that means if you have to go the drug dealer route, it’s wrong. If suddenly it’s at a store and advertised, I’d go for it at some point. Especially since you say it’s so ‘trivial’.


45 posted on 02/05/2013 8:53:14 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: plain talk

Yep, the feds outright want to be drug dealers, damn the consequences. DU and some on FR are the types that’ll cheer them on to the end too.


46 posted on 02/05/2013 8:55:27 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Beelzebubba

We have 20,000,000 or more alcholics in this country...why not legalize POT and add another 10,000,000 pot heads like you see in Amsterdam and the Middle East? Legalize Cocaine too while you’re at it?


47 posted on 02/05/2013 8:56:25 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: philetus

Sounds like with or without drugs he was a loser. Which is usually how it works, people’s big “examples” of the horrors of drugs are actually just losers who gravitated towards one method but had that method not existed they’d have found something else.


48 posted on 02/05/2013 8:56:41 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: cuban leaf
But today, we are all paying for it. Its not enough to just legalize weed and go yippee, we're pushing back.

The whole system, the whole culture, the whole population is different than it was in 1900 when the stuff was unregulated. Its simplistic and shortsighted to think that merely legalizing weed will make a positive impact or be a good thing.

Much deeper thing need to change before I could sanction legalization of marijauna. When my 2nd amendment rights are no longer being infringed, when my 1st amendment rights are no longer being trampled, when queers are no longer pushing their crap on tiny children in schools, when 1/2 of the federal budget is no longer spent on welfare, when the single payer communist healthcare system is revoked, when our military is no longer a social experimentation playground for the libs, when my taxe are not sucking up 1/3+ of every buck I make, when borders are closed and the illegals sent back to where they came from, when Judeo-Christian values are not trampled and spat upon in the public square, THEN I'll care legalizing weed. Not before.

49 posted on 02/05/2013 8:58:02 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: eyeamok

I would also say that we compare the incidents vs use rate as well. Not just cut and dry numbers. How many meth users have problems or die vs alcohol. Of course alcohol is going to have the higher raw numbers by far, it’s legal and ubiquitous. We add more drugs to that list and the use rates will rise as well. Lots of the left legalizer countries in Europe are going to hell faster than the USA is at this point and are going to have a hard time reversing the downslide.


50 posted on 02/05/2013 8:58:02 AM PST by Monty22002
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