This treaty if signed would have the force of law UNTIL the SENATE affirmativly voted it down. Pursuant to another treaty a treaty signed by the US but not acted by the senate is as if it is ratified. (really)
Thus reid can kabuki dance to be pro second and then stonewall to prevent the treaty from being rejected.
REMEMBER A TREATY BYPASSES THE CONSTITUTION. It would render the second amendment meaningless.
It also cuts the House of Representatives totally out of the representative process.
Remember to keep this on the radar. Obama Admin. announce they were reopening negotiations the day after the election and it is up again in MARCH.
Again this UN treaty would trump the second amendment.
“REMEMBER A TREATY BYPASSES THE CONSTITUTION. It would render the second amendment meaningless.”
Not sure this is totally correct. While true that the process could happen as outlined, I don’t believe that puts the issue beyond the scope of the courts, nor beyond the Constitution.
No doubt the fine legal minds here on FR will enlighten us.
The Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur"
What does this treaty in effect mean for us? I am not clear on that. So I shoot an intruder in my house and then I get hauled off to jail or something because I am not supposed to own a gun?
Only if the US surrenders it’s sovereignty. If 0bama does it, it’s TREASON, a capital offense!
I think the toe sucker may be right. Barry only has support in the Senate and so that has to be the avenue of attack.
Bogus. Morris is a fear-peddler. Our side is buying so he’s selling. As to law, no basis for the fear, at least not at the level of individual rights. See Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), available at
From the summary at the beginning:
“...no agreement with a foreign nation can confer on Congress or any other branch of the Government power which is free from the restraints of the Constitution”
and especially as pertains to individual rights, as from here a little further in:
“...constitutional protections for the individual were designed to restrict the United States Government when it acts outside of this country, as well as here at home.”
Therefore, combined with Heller, which finds 2A rights to be individual, no treaty of any design can abrogate those rights. Period.
Our only real enemy is lawlessness, and the man who in our time best represents the evolution of that primordial evil.
Fox dumped Morris, now if they’d only shit can Rove too.