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Bill Would Force Calif. Gun Owners To Buy Insurance
AP) ^ | February 5, 2013 3:09 PM

Posted on 02/05/2013 7:07:55 PM PST by BenLurkin

Democratic lawmakers proposed legislation Tuesday that would require California gun owners to buy liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons.

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Some proposals would require buyers to show proof of insurance before they could purchase a weapon. The proposal in California would apply to anyone owning a weapon, Ting said, though the bill’s details are still being worked out.

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Ting equated the idea to requiring vehicle owners to buy auto insurance.

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Ting also introduced AB232, which would give a state income-tax credit of up to $1,000 to anyone who turns in a firearm to a local gun buyback program. The amount of the credit would be determined based on the value of the weapon.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; guncontrol; secondamendment
Evil never sleeps in Sacramento.
1 posted on 02/05/2013 7:08:03 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

It will fly if they call it a tax instead of insurance. /s


2 posted on 02/05/2013 7:10:08 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: BenLurkin

People need to start suing California for every former convict that commits a crime, after being released from prison in that state.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 7:11:29 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

What a bunch of loons? Break into my house have a will. The lock on the front door is for your protection, not mine.


4 posted on 02/05/2013 7:13:09 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: BenLurkin
income-tax credit of up to $1,000 to anyone who turns in a firearm

Easiest scam in the world...! I can't see them doing this, as there are THOUSANDS of cheap guns you could buy specifically to turn it in.

EVERY gun activist would do that.

5 posted on 02/05/2013 7:14:30 PM PST by gaijin
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To: BenLurkin

Yuh can’t fix stoopit and he’s got all kinds of it.

Hey, yuh jackass, most gun deaths occur from the actions of those prohibited from owning a weapon or who are undocumented militants.

They won’t be buying insurance and neither will I.

You are not my better nor am I in anyway subsuming my rights to yer fascistic dicta.

Pound sand.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 7:15:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: BenLurkin
If I'm caught without my license, registration and proof of insurance, do I get 20 minutes to call a friend to pick up my gun?

Fair is fair, right, gringo?

7 posted on 02/05/2013 7:15:31 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: BenLurkin

“Ting equated the idea to requiring vehicle owners to buy auto insurance.”

Auto’s aren’t covered by the Bill of Rights.

Evil indeed.

CC


8 posted on 02/05/2013 7:17:45 PM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: BenLurkin

This is coming up in more than one state and must be fought.

Once the insurance companies can charge you a mere $1000 per gun per year (if you only own one, higher premiums for “many”), they can demand higher premiums if you don’t have a particular type of safe, perhaps with a secure alarm system that is monitored remotely, then the requirement that the LEO response is within 20 minutes.

And why not whip the know-nothings up until they agree that $5000 per gun per year is “reasonable and responsible”?

This is one way they reduced gun ownership in England before the confiscations.

The folks that hate privatizing things will use this to privatize gun confiscation.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 7:18:30 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Jonty30

Wasn’t there a story recently about Cali has something like 40,000 felons and mentally instable people with guns?

What about them?

Oh wait, I forgot, it is easier to disarm law abiding people than disarming crazies who will shoot back.

Disarm the law abiding and leave the lawless alone. That’ll fix it.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 7:20:50 PM PST by Texas resident (I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on FR)
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To: BenLurkin

Will knife, hammer, fire-poker, and baseball bat owners need to buy insurance also?


11 posted on 02/05/2013 7:21:00 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: BenLurkin
I have read the 2nd Amendment several times, I have yet to see a clause or sub clause that requires any kind of insurance to own a gun. Yet another infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights.

AMEDNMENT II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

12 posted on 02/05/2013 7:22:03 PM PST by doc1019
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To: BenLurkin
it will be illegal since if you cannot pay it they will take away your 2nd Amendment Right and that is illegal no matter how you look at it
13 posted on 02/05/2013 7:27:52 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BenLurkin

So, law abiding citizens pay while drug dealing armed illegal aliens roam with no penalty.

Ting is following his hero, Mao.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 7:28:08 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: BenLurkin

What about the poor who can’t afford the mandated insurance, will they then be denied their Second Amendment rights? Or will it be optional for selected classes like the ILLEGAL immigrants ( that’s right I don’t care what the Dems want, Illegal they are and illegal I will call them.) Will the liberals require that law enforcement not hold them to the same standards as legal citizens and allow them to skate like with drivers licenses and auto insurance?


15 posted on 02/05/2013 7:28:54 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: BenLurkin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”Democratic lawmakers proposed legislation Tuesday that would require California gun owners to buy liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons. ...”

???? Great idea.

How about making any couple who marries a same sex partner buy insurance to cover their future aids, and anyone they give HIV to??

At the Federal level....and so its not discriminatory the lesbians must buy it too.... Owch !

16 posted on 02/05/2013 7:30:21 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: BenLurkin
Dear Mr. Ting,

Kiss my ass.

Respectfully,

South40

17 posted on 02/05/2013 7:33:38 PM PST by South40
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To: Jonty30

Call it the Huckabee principle.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 7:34:24 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: BenLurkin

“Ting equated the idea to requiring vehicle owners to buy auto insurance.”

What a moron to equate a requirement to engage in a privilege with a Constitutionally protected right! I think we need to demand that elected officials carry liability insurance for speech before they are allowed to open their mouths. After all if you can start demanding a Citizen carries insurance to for one Constitutional right why not for all of them. Just think how much money the government could suck out of the people if they are the mandated insurer ala Obamacare.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 7:37:02 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: BenLurkin

I get coverage for public CHL.
On private land you can kiss my ***


20 posted on 02/05/2013 7:53:56 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BenLurkin

It would make more sense to lay a tax on those who do not own a firearm for their own self defense.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 8:09:49 PM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.)
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To: BenLurkin

They’re going to make it prohibitively expensive and engage in harassment in order to disarm everyone. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

BTW, doesn’t this discriminate against the poor?


22 posted on 02/05/2013 8:43:06 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: cydcharisse
BTW, doesn’t this discriminate against the poor?

Indeed. So do higher taxes on cigarettes, snacks etc. as well as Obama's crowning achievement, "Cash 4 Clunkers".

23 posted on 02/05/2013 9:05:12 PM PST by South40
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To: BenLurkin

That’s the Democrat Party for ya... Doing all they can to keep guns out of the hands of poor Blacks and Hispanics. Mighty white of you Assemblyman Ting.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 9:07:43 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: doc1019; Yehuda
Insurance?! The 2A *is* the ultimate insurance policy... against tyranny.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What ensures the security of a free state, is that badge-wielders and their bosses have their power trips and thug tendencies contained ("regulated") by the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

If the JBT thought he would be well-regulated (stopped in his tracks) by the people - despite being given a green light and lots of cool toys by the state - he wouldn't choose, say, no-knock raids for his adrenaline fix.

25 posted on 02/05/2013 9:20:47 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: BenLurkin

7 years ago Tennessee required applicants for Concealed Carry License to obtain firearms insurance.

People said, “screw you”, and carried without the license.

The Tennessee Legislature finally caved and removed that requirement. CCL applications increased.


26 posted on 02/05/2013 9:42:22 PM PST by Mack the knife
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To: BenLurkin
... liability insurance to cover damages or injuries caused by their weapons.

I think this is already covered under homeowner's liability insurance.

27 posted on 02/05/2013 9:43:31 PM PST by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Ezekiel

While I agree with you that the 2nd Amendment is intended to safeguard the U.S. against tyranny, I believe your interpretation’s off. The way I learned it, in the context of late 18th century English, well regulated meant “well equipped” or “well prepared” (i.e. a well regulated gentleman was a polished sort). The militia is comprised of the people. Therefore, having a well armed and trained citizenry equals a well regulated militia. As founding father and architect of the Bill of Rights George Mason wrote in 1788, “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”


28 posted on 02/05/2013 10:42:23 PM PST by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

There of course has been much debate on the words and their historical uses and contexts.

What I wrote may not align with any 2A interpretations past or present, but as for the substance, would the Founders have disagreed? I could be out in space as far as how much my perspective is parallel to the amendment itself, but I couldn’t even imagine the horror on the Founders’ faces if they could see what a modern “enlightened” people tolerate while believing that they still live in a free state. :(


29 posted on 02/05/2013 11:21:11 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: BenLurkin

If all cars are insured, why do I have to buy uninsured motorist insurance?


30 posted on 02/06/2013 12:49:11 AM PST by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: BenLurkin

“Ting equated the idea to requiring vehicle owners to buy auto insurance.”

Ting, you utter ignoramus, the right to own an automobile is not guaranteed in the Bill of Rights of the constitution.


31 posted on 02/06/2013 12:50:53 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: BenLurkin
Posted on another forum on this subject:

Isn’t this just a Tax on gun ownership?

Didn’t Wayne LaPierre tell us that there are only two reason to register guns – to tax or to take them?

Here’s a better idea – why not a tax or liability requirement on politicians that perpetrates all kinds of these bad ideas?

We could start with the ‘safe-schools’ act that made them into gun free zones – yeah that worked real well didn’t it?

Every pol in Illinois should be liable for the carnage from their stupid idea on civilian disarmament – they pass their laws and get away with not having to face the consequences of their dumb ideas.

This needs to stop – instead of just ‘doing something –anything’ without thinking, politicians should have to pay the price of their stupidly.

They would far more deliberative and thoughtful in their actions if 5 – 10 Years down the road they get sued for some of their laws they rush thought without thinking.

32 posted on 02/06/2013 7:36:20 AM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: sickoflibs

Well, ya gotta give California this...there is NO limit to the BS legislation they can come up with!

Do what you want, California, Siskiyou county and it’s Sheriff will remain CONSTITUTIONAL! There’s a term they’ll never understand.


33 posted on 02/06/2013 8:44:19 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: BenLurkin

After they make you have insurance, the following will occur:

Yearly inspection tags attached to each of your guns.

A yearly permit (tax) stamp for each gun and the paid tax.

A yearly inspection by the gun goons of your home and the method of gun storage and control. Failure to pass will the confiscation of your guns until you fulfill the regulatory requirements.

A yearly qualification test (both written and physical) to ensure that you are physically and mentally fit to own a gun.

And finally.......................a mass raid and confiscation of all of your guns under the name of homeland security and direct presidential decree.

Boy! Ain’t life getting better with the liberals and Obama?


34 posted on 02/06/2013 9:43:52 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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