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Obama blinks on the sequester, GOP finally has upper hand (Obama paints himself into a corner)
Washington Examiner ^ | 02/05/2013 | Philip Klein

Posted on 02/05/2013 8:33:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

In November 2011, President Obama lamented that “some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts” that were part of that August’s deal to raise the debt limit. “My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.”

Now, it’s Obama who is looking for an off ramp. With the automatic spending cuts about to go into effect, the Associated Press reports, “President Barack Obama will ask Congress to come up with tens of billions of dollars in short-term spending cuts and tax revenue to put off the automatic across the board cuts that are scheduled to kick in March 1, White House officials said Tuesday.”

Ever since the election, Republicans have been frustrated by their lack of leverage against Obama. Taxes would have gone up by $4.5 trillion on Jan. 1 if nothing was done, so Republicans were forced to agree to limit the damage. If there were no increase in the debt limit, any economic chaos that followed would have allowed Obama to blame Republicans and distract attention from the problems posed by the nation’s mounting debt, so they agreed to suspend it — a strategy I had described as Maneuver X.

Now Republicans have turned the tables on Obama. If nothing happens by March 1, about $1 trillion worth of spending cuts will go into effect automatically. Ideally, Republicans don’t want the military spending cuts, and they have voted in the House to replace them with other cuts. But they can live with them if nothing happens. Coming off the fourth quarter in which the economy contracted by 0.1 percent and was hurt by defense cuts, Obama doesn’t want to have headlines of defense contractor layoffs eroding his political capital in the short window he has to advance his second term agenda.

His suggestion that Republicans agree to raise taxes again to delay the sequester is laughable — they have zero reason to do it. Either he agrees to spending cuts of an equal amount, or the sequester will kick in.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; obama; partisanmediashills; sequester; sequestration; spending

1 posted on 02/05/2013 8:33:52 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s all about North Korea’s ballistic missile and the threat to the caliphate it represents.Obama needs the defense bucks for ABM’s. The ultimate irony as he desperately maneuvers for Reagan’s ghost to save him.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 8:37:30 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t count your chickens...... this has not played out yet and I have heard this line before many times.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 8:39:52 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Now Republicans have turned the tables on Obama. If nothing happens by March 1, about $1 trillion worth of spending cuts will go into effect automatically. Ideally, Republicans don’t want the military spending cuts, and they have voted in the House to replace them with other cuts. But they can live with them if nothing happens.

Yeah sure, cut the military's balls off after working them like dogs for a decade.

Axe that defense budget and send the economy into a real tailspin.

Eff these peckerhead RINOS.

4 posted on 02/05/2013 8:41:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: sickoflibs

RE: this has not played out yet

OK, I’m game. What other options does Obama have this time other than to demagogue this?

HE was the one who proposed the sequestration when the budget battles were going on.

Will he now say — “I didn’t mean it when I pushed it”?

This time, he can’t even use the threat of a government shutdown.

What else does he have up his sleeve?


5 posted on 02/05/2013 8:43:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
So which Republicans are going to join the new Gang of Six to throw Obama a life line?

Every time the Republicans have a Democrat president against the wall some “Centrist” or “Maverick” Republicans will fish his chestnuts out of the fire.

6 posted on 02/05/2013 8:44:23 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: sickoflibs

What happens every time is they talk targeted cuts but they all squawk and eventually cave to even cuts across the board without regard to dollar/value or security.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 8:45:36 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Defense budget for 2012 was something like $680 Billion.

The sequestration will cut the military budget by $500 Billion OVER 10 YEARS !!

That means about $50 billion a year. Which means instead of spending $680 Billion a year, it will be a “mere” $630 Billion/year.

How disastrous is that really?


8 posted on 02/05/2013 8:47:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Don’t call my bluff”


9 posted on 02/05/2013 8:47:37 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trust me, Obama is not in any corner. With the socialist brain trust surrounding him and backing by Soros this is but a slight blip on the overall scheme of things. The planning for this has been going on for years and I’m sure all contingencies have been taken into consideration.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 8:48:56 PM PST by doc1019
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To: SeekAndFind

He has forced the Congress into a corner.
He will not take blame.

This guy could crap on Congresses collective heads and they would say thank you.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 8:50:45 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: aynrandfreak

RE: “Don’t call my bluff”

And what are you going to do about it if we do?

Sequestration is the law.

Sequestration can only be avoided if Congress passes legislation that undoes the legal requirement in the Budget Control Act of 2011

Can the Executive Branch reconfigure sequestration cuts?

No. The cuts are automatic, across-the-board reductions to all discretionary programs unless exempted by the BCA.

The Executive Branch will have no authority or ability to redistribute the cuts.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 8:52:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Paging Mr. brown, Charlie brown. Please report to the football kicking area..


13 posted on 02/05/2013 8:53:19 PM PST by bigtoona
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To: sickoflibs

I see it your way. Reality has a way of being redefined on the fly in our brave new world.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 8:53:58 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: mylife

Here is a list of programs exempted from sequestration:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/905

My feeling is this — IT WON’T EVEN BE FELT BY MOST PEOPLE.

This country survived spending one trillion less than it does now up to 2008.

It can and will survive pretty well.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 8:54:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It stinks on ice!
We have been running these folks ragged for over a decade and we cut their budget first?

Hows about we cut back on bennys for illegal aliens?


16 posted on 02/05/2013 8:54:34 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: “this has not played out yet
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OK, I’m game. What other options does Obama have this time other than to demagogue this?
HE was the one who proposed the sequestration when the budget battles were going on.”

As I said, it has not played out yet. His goal is to keep himself popular by demonizing the GOP and so far its working great for him,

But yes this is a way better hand for the GOP than the tax extension fight, Obama signed the budget control Act to get his credit extension so the GOP can point out that he agreed to this.
The GOP had no way to win the other one.

What choice do they have in this one? Let it go is their only option.

17 posted on 02/05/2013 8:54:45 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: doc1019
Here's one area Obama can demagogue...


18 posted on 02/05/2013 8:56:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

$4 million?
Nancy Pelosi spends that on booze.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 9:00:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Yeah sure, cut the military's balls off after working them like dogs for a decade. Axe that defense budget and send the economy into a real tailspin. Eff these peckerhead RINOS.

So what's your solution? No spending cuts? Increase revenue to insulate the military from cuts?

We have had no real spending cuts. Neither party really wants spending cuts. They would rather keep the huge deficits and add to the national debt. Eventually, this house of cards will come crashing down on all of us. I say let sequestration happen.

If we can't absorb a $100 billion cut a year out of a $3.7 trillion annual budget, something is very wrong.

20 posted on 02/05/2013 9:00:30 PM PST by kabar
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To: mylife

No, it doesn’t stink on ice... its about damn time. We’re building weapons we don’t need and managing facilities that we should have left a decade ago (think Germany). We’re not “running anyone ragged.” We’ve been using the military what they were intended for. Kill people and break things.


21 posted on 02/05/2013 9:06:02 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: mylife

RE: $4 million?

I suggest you re-read the chart again. It’s 4,1212 Million.


22 posted on 02/05/2013 9:07:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: bigdaddy45

The problem is that the Tank column Commander in Germany will squawk when you attempt to axe his budget.
He will wave his finger at the Air-wing Commander, That fellow wags his finger at the Admiral and round and round it goes..

In the end, Congress will cut everyone without regard to what is needed.


23 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind

We’ll see.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:22 PM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
Actually, when you look at what is exempted, i.e., the entitlement programs and means tested welfare programs, which make up two thirds of the budget, it will be painful for DOD and other USG agencies. We are already almost half way thru the fiscal year making it more difficult to cut the budget.

Still, I favor letting sequestration happen. It was Obama's idea. Let him come up with the cuts.

25 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:41 PM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

$4.121 Billion?

So why not SAY IT?

Its games.


26 posted on 02/05/2013 9:14:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep I looked at the list and it wont affect the moochers on the Gimme Programs one little bit. And of course any goobermint workers that run the redistribution machine.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 9:16:32 PM PST by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: mylife
$4 million?
Nancy Pelosi spends that on booze.

Actually, that's $4.1 Billion.
And only Teddy Kennedy (D-Hell) could drink that much.

28 posted on 02/05/2013 9:18:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind
My feeling is this — IT WON’T EVEN BE FELT BY MOST PEOPLE.

It doesn't have to be felt by MOST people, just those close to him - Gobmint workers. They are going to start whining in a few weeks. These are the jerks that have to help implement Obamacare this year. You think you will even be able to get them to make a xerox for you after they get furloughed every other week? They are going to start singing the "we've been oppressed for so long" chorus you'll hear it all the way to the White House. Believe me, Obama will hear it ...

29 posted on 02/05/2013 9:21:27 PM PST by 11th_VA (JURY NULLIFICATION FOR UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN LAWS !!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama blinks on the sequester, GOP finally has upper hand...yeah, but they're so ignorant and passive that, as they allowed Obama to paint them as the ones holding up the "middle class tax cuts" instead of himself, they'll sit back and let him picture them as making drastic and tragic cuts in America's defenses to leave us at the mercy of our enemies...GOP is worthless when it comes to striking back at Obama's lies and corruption....
30 posted on 02/05/2013 9:22:35 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SeekAndFind
Which means instead of spending $680 Billion a year, it will be a “mere” $630 Billion/year. How disastrous is that really?

Not at all. It's always a "disaster" when government is cut. It's their religion. They still haven't figured out where the funding for government comes from.

31 posted on 02/05/2013 9:23:06 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Lancey Howard

LOL!!


32 posted on 02/05/2013 9:24:28 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind
What the hell, Barack? You weren't supposed to give the enemy ANY leeway. What are you thinking?


33 posted on 02/05/2013 9:38:28 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Slyfox

Boehner had a bad hand but he played it well.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 10:01:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Either he agrees to spending cuts of an equal amount, or the sequester will kick in."


35 posted on 02/05/2013 10:43:48 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

36 posted on 02/05/2013 10:51:50 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The President said during the campaign last year he was all for the sequester.

The spending cuts are not aimed at the less fortunate - but at the Democrats’ favorite cow - the military.

If they want to defend more spending on guns instead of butter, let em.


37 posted on 02/05/2013 11:29:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t worry. The spineless Republicans will save Obama’s skinny ass. Boehner will burst into tears and capitulate before Obama even opens his mouth. The Pubies will run and hide, just like they always do.


38 posted on 02/05/2013 11:38:37 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Pontiac

Are we so certain Obama doesn’t want the defense cuts? Sure, he’s providing himself some cover to say, “It’s not me, I asked Congress to handle this differently”, but I thought he wanted Hagel in there in part to oversee vast defense cuts?


39 posted on 02/05/2013 11:40:47 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Obama and his crew already like the distribution of the cuts just fine.


40 posted on 02/05/2013 11:43:52 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: D-fendr
Boehner had a bad hand but he played it well.

I agree completely.
...But you can get flamed for saying it here by the platoons of (mostly newer) FR trolls.

Over 10 years ago, the congress of that time passed the terrific Bush tax cuts, and they were for everybody. Deservedly, for everybody. Their stupidity was in accepting the "sunset" provision - - and what the heck, they weren't worried about ten years down the road. Well, that chicken came home to roost and the Bush tax cuts finally DID expire on January 1, 2013. Taxes went UP for everybody.

A day or two later congress passed the same Bush tax cuts for 98% of taxpayers (everybody up to an income of $400,000) and this time they were made permanent (ie., no "sunset" provision). In other words, congress raised taxes on nobody.

Boehner stumbled along (or did he?) playing footsie with the African communist scumbag Ubama for a month during the so-called "fiscal cliff" negotiations, and appeared to nearly blow it twice, first by proposing "eliminating deductions and closing loopholes" - - as if that's not a massive tax hike - - and second by proposing something called "Plan B".

"Plan B" would have had the GOP House voting to raise taxes on upper income taxpayers since the vote would have occurred prior to the automatic "tax hikes" which took effect when the Bush cuts expired. Had "Plan B" been passed, the Democrats could have legitimately crowed forever about how the Republicans agreed with Democrats that taxes had to be raised. Republicans would never have heard the end of it, and it may have killed the party.

Somehow, Ubama talked himself out of going along with the first proposal, and the House conservatives killed "Plan B".

Astonishingly, the Republicans are now in a position where they have not only made the Bush tax cuts permanent for nearly everybody, but they can make the solid case, as Mitch McConnell already did, that the "debate over taxes is behind us now". After over a month of the issue dominating their television sets, no way do Americans want to hear about the Democrats coming back yet again to demand more taxes - - and even threatening a government shutdown over the issue.

The Republicans are sitting in the catbird's seat, no doubt about it. Whether they finessed their way there, or stumbled into it doesn't matter now - - the ball is most definitely in the Democrats' court, and everybody knows it.

41 posted on 02/06/2013 12:03:09 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Thanks for taking the time to line out the details of the tax play.

The second play was the sequester which Boehner again played well.

We are no where near a great victory here, the election results made that impossible, but we are in a much better position than I thought possible.


42 posted on 02/06/2013 12:17:07 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

The “conventional wisdom” all along has been that it would be the Republicans choking on the sequester cuts, that it would be the Republicans who would do almost anything to stop them.

LOL, it looks to me instead like the rats threw the Republicans into the briar patch.


43 posted on 02/06/2013 12:23:25 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind

He REALLY doesn’t give a damn about American economic or military security.

He is required by law to submit a budget proposal and IIRC that deadline has been missed for THREE straight years.

The assclown would rather force sodomy down our throats, pontificate about guns, and try forcing Christ followers to fund infanticide.


44 posted on 02/06/2013 2:02:48 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks, I misread that too. 4 Billion in education cuts.

Is the Dept of Education going to have furloughs and 10% pay cuts like the Defense Dept? I bet not.


45 posted on 02/06/2013 4:51:48 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Lancey Howard
Their stupidity was in accepting the "sunset" provision

My understanding is that that's all they could get with a 51 vote majority.

To get a permanent change, I believe they would have had to have a 2/3rd majority.

46 posted on 02/06/2013 8:55:54 AM PST by what's up
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
In November 2011, President Obama lamented that “some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts” that were part of that August’s deal to raise the debt limit. “My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.” Now, it’s Obama who is looking for an off ramp...T axes would have gone up by $4.5 trillion on Jan. 1 if nothing was done, so Republicans were forced to agree to limit the damage. If there were no increase in the debt limit, any economic chaos that followed would have allowed Obama to blame Republicans... If nothing happens by March 1, about $1 trillion worth of spending cuts will go into effect automatically. Ideally, Republicans don’t want the military spending cuts, and they have voted in the House to replace them with other cuts... Obama doesn’t want to have headlines of defense contractor layoffs... His suggestion that Republicans agree to raise taxes again to delay the sequester is laughable -- they have zero reason to do it. Either he agrees to spending cuts of an equal amount, or the sequester will kick in.
Thanks SeekAndFind.

The Obama Tax Hike

to go with

The Obama Recession


47 posted on 02/23/2013 6:17:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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