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John Tate of Campaign for Liberty explains libertarianism's appeal
The Washington Times ^ | January 30,2013 | Joseph Cotto

Posted on 02/05/2013 9:06:35 PM PST by fractionated

Libertarianism has found tremendous success across our country over the last several years. Right now, that seems unlikely to change.

At the crest of this political tidal wave has been the Campaign for Liberty. Founded by former U.S. Representative Ron Paul during the 2008 election cycle, it has grown into a formidable organization. With the guiding mission of informing Americans about Constitution-related issues, it has found a considerable degree of popularity among younger voters.

In this first part of our discussion, John F. Tate, the Campaign’s president, explains how libertarianism came to find support among American voters, his opinion of what the Ron Paul movement’s most important accomplishment is, whether or not he expects social libertarianism to gain prominence, if libertarianism appeals to those with left-of-center views, and more.

Joseph F. Cotto: Libertarianism is a philosophy with which most of us are familiar. Over the last several years, it has found serious support among American voters. How did this come to pass?

John F. Tate: The past twelve years have brought one of the most dramatic increases in the size and scope of the State in our nation’s history, with the disastrous consequences of out-of-control government leading more Americans to rediscover the ideas and message of liberty. Grassroots activists are especially outraged that government has broadened its reach--often through heavy-handed, secretive tactics--while ignoring the American people’s opinion. Whether it was the so-called “Patriot” Act, ObamaCare, or TARP and the bank bailouts, most of the significant pieces of legislation that vastly grew the federal government’s power were very controversial or unpopular at the time they were passed....


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; freedom; leftists; libertarian; libertarianism

1 posted on 02/05/2013 9:06:45 PM PST by fractionated
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To: fractionated; Youaskedforit; KirbDog; Teófilo; mojo114; malkee; missingwv; HalfIrish; ...
Ron Paul ✔ @RonPaul

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

2 posted on 02/05/2013 9:11:27 PM PST by narses
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To: fractionated; Youaskedforit; KirbDog; Teófilo; mojo114; malkee; missingwv; HalfIrish; ...
Ron Paul ✔ @RonPaul

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

3 posted on 02/05/2013 9:12:33 PM PST by narses
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To: fractionated

Libertarianism gives a hipster or stoner a chance to still want conservative economics, but embrace leftists social positions.

What they don’t understand, is that you can’t have both in a democracy, broken people, unlimited immigration, and a destroyed social fabric leads to voters becoming more liberal and voting for MORE social programs, not fewer, it empowers government in every way as people clamor for more police and protection.


4 posted on 02/05/2013 9:17:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: fractionated

Lefties have found another avenue of attack on conservatism, tell our kids that they can live in Sodom and Gomorrah, yet somehow the broken lives and culture will result in people who will vote against food stamps and welfare.

The main thing is, that libertarians lie, and they play up whichever face is appropriate to a particular audience.

Cotto: Have you found that libertarianism appeals to those with left-of-center views? Or, are most libertarian sympathies held by those who lean right?

Tate: Liberty is definitely non-partisan. Campaign for Liberty heavily organized grassroots support for Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed bill in 2012, which had 274 cosponsors and passed with 327 votes in the House – a clearly bipartisan outcome. C4L is always willing to work with politicians on both sides of the aisle who believe in greater freedom for the American people. While there tends to be more of a right-leaning movement on economic issues, on personal liberties we are joined by people from all views.


5 posted on 02/05/2013 9:24:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: fractionated

Libertarians vs. Republicans. I think the former is more honest and true to its creed than the latter. The Republican party can’t be trusted and has had at least five second chances in my lifetime. Any issue I have with Libertarians is tiny compared to the issues I have with Republicans of 2013.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 9:25:10 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: fractionated
Ron Paul, ugh. But they defend the 2nd Amend. On the other hand, there's illegal-loving Nick Gillespie and Reason magazine: Libertarians, something like kissing your aunt? The one with the mustache? Hang in there fractionated, you're growing on me--I think Walgreens sells something over-the-counter for it. OK, I'm conflicted, defend your hippie self.
7 posted on 02/05/2013 9:25:35 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: fractionated
Joseph F. Cotto: Libertarianism is a philosophy with which most of us are familiar. Over the last several years, it has found serious support among American voters. How did this come to pass?

That is so not true! Most Americans have never heard of the primary Libertarian tenet of "Non-Initiation of Force."

8 posted on 02/05/2013 9:28:24 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: narses

RuPaul (h/t Mark Levin) is a hemorrhoid on the backside of humanity.

As I’ve stated many times in the past: Ron Paul and I have many views in common. He supports auditing or doing away with the Federal Reserve and so do I. Ron Paul believes in repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments and so do I.

—HOWEVER—

His 9/11 Trutherism, his support for the Islamonazi regime in Iran, his antisemitism, and all the rest of his kookiness makes me despise him to no end. I’m glad his 1,000 years of living off the public dole has finally come to an end, and I couldn’t be happier that he became a meaningless footnote in American history.

But I must admit, I think his son, Rand Paul, would be a hell of a President and he would have my full support in a primary race against Krispy Kreme Christie and Jeb Bush.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 9:43:06 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: fractionated

Libertarianism has found tremendous success across our country over the last several years.

Damn, with that kind of success Libertarianism will cease to exist in a year.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 10:00:34 PM PST by Patrick1 (“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”)
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To: fractionated

Libertarianism has found tremendous success across our country over the last several years.

Damn, with that kind of success Libertarianism will cease to exist in a year.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 10:00:40 PM PST by Patrick1 (“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”)
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To: ansel12
Libertarianism gives a hipster or stoner a chance to still want conservative economics, but embrace leftists social positions.

What they don’t understand, is that you can’t have both in a democracy, broken people, unlimited immigration, and a destroyed social fabric leads to voters becoming more liberal and voting for MORE social programs, not fewer, it empowers government in every way as people clamor for more police and protection.

You obviously cannot understand the difference between a libertine versus a libertarian.

You also seem to think democracy is a good thing. It is not. We have a Republic in the form of a representative democracy specifically to protect us from the pitfalls of Democracy, hence the continuous effort form the left to destroy our Republic.

I will never understand your warped view that individuals intractably against government force can at the same time empower government. Not counting the two Pauls because they a actually Republican, can you tell me the highest political office any Libertarian has ever held in our great United States? Since the party's creation only ten Libertarians have been elected to state legislatures. In forty one years only ten have even gotten to the State House in a handful of States. Your effort to blame libertarians for the leftist Social Programs that we suffer today, is like blaming buggy whips for modern traffic congestion.

12 posted on 02/05/2013 10:08:10 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: fractionated
Libertarians are leftists.

Plain and simple, Libertarians are useful idiots for the left. Many of the supposed 'liberties' they advocate for stand in direct opposition to the historically proven time tested natural order of society. What they have repeatedly failed to accomplish in the public square free marketplace of ideas they seek politically to impose via government mandate.

Libertarians favor limited tyranny; however fail to recognize that tyranny recognizes no limits and that the ONLY way to limit tyranny is to limit government from having any say upon that which is the peoples alone to decide.

13 posted on 02/05/2013 10:09:13 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: higgmeister

Liberalism breeds liberal voters, not conservatives, social conservatism breeds conservatives.

I didn’t say that democracy is a good thing, I pointed out how idiotic and childish it is for someone to think that ending all border controls and all restrictions on morality and drugs and abortion and hookers and gay marriage and creating a Sodom and Gomorrah will result in the reduction of government and the ending of social programs, this is a democracy, all votes count the same.

Moving us left and finishing off our families and society and culture will result in the opposite of conservative goals for government and social programs.

“”You Can Thank a Few Rich Libertarians for Gay Marriage””

“How do you get rich Republicans to support gay marriage? By appealing to their libertarian sensibilities. The New York Times is out with its lyrical, 2,000-plus-word tick-tock of how the gay-marriage fight was won, and it centers on a meeting between Governor Cuomo’s aides and Republican donors. Amid tuna and turkey sandwiches a few weeks ago, the governor’s aides tested whether billionaire Paul Singer and hedge-fund managers Cliff Asness and Dan Loeb would be willing to support the cause. Surprisingly they were, since they were “inclined to see the issue as one of personal freedom, consistent with their more libertarian views.”
With their help (read: $1 million plus) gay-rights groups could tell the four Republican senators who took a leap of faith and voted yes to the bill that there’d be money to catch their fall.”


14 posted on 02/05/2013 10:27:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: DBeers

I think you’re a bit confused about what libertarians support. Such as abolishing unconstitutional laws, regulations, and agencies. I.e. limiting government. Unfortunately both the Rs and the Ds find it just too convenient to have these powers at their disposal, which is why neither of them seek to accomplish the same end. Incidentally, repealing laws is not exactly “imposing their will by government mandate.” It’s closer to the exact opposite. As for the claim that Libertarians are leftists, that’s just ridiculous. Leftists don’t seek to eliminate taxes, laws and regulations, don’t support Vermont carry or gun rights generally, and disagree about a thousand other big ticket items. Rs are pro-big-government too, so this is not to say that Ls are Rs, either. It’s clear from the last Republican convention that Rs want to have nothing to do with Ls, but that’s not to say that Ls are leftists in any way.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 10:30:50 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

Ls are leftists, look at post 14.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 10:42:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12
I didn’t say that democracy is a good thing, I pointed out how idiotic and childish it is for someone to think that ending all border controls and all restrictions on morality and drugs and abortion and hookers and gay marriage and creating a Sodom and Gomorrah will result in the reduction of government and the ending of social programs, this is a democracy, all votes count the same.

How can you seem to blame a tiny number of Libertarians for the destruction of Western Civilization? They are the most ineffectual political group in history. They have not even been able to win one Statewide election in forty years! Not one! If you put one hundred Libertarians in a room, they would call it a State Wide Convention. If they vote for anything, they must also include NOTO (none of the above) as the default choice.

Your jousting at Libertarians is as valiant as Don Quixote de Lamancha jousting at windmills, and just as deluded. All of the Libertarian positions and platforms are ineffectual at best and the only good thing they had was adherence to a principle that parroted "The Golden Rule" but for adults. Look for enemies where they actually exist.

17 posted on 02/05/2013 10:46:39 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: fractionated; TheOldLady

You’ve had a busy day. First, concern trolling the NRA by posting a Eugene Robinson article and now pimping the Libertarians.

How do you feel about conservatism, which is the point of this website?


18 posted on 02/05/2013 10:51:31 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: higgmeister
How can you seem to blame a tiny number of Libertarians for the destruction of Western Civilization?

Is this your way, to just continue making things up, I never said that either.

Saying that libertarians are part of the left, and has the same agenda in regards to those things, is just that, saying that they are part of it, they are another angle of attack against conservatism with a new vocabulary, this time calling for gay marriage and abortion in the name of patriotism and traditionalism.

19 posted on 02/06/2013 2:02:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: coloradan
Unfortunately both the Rs and the Ds find it just too convenient to have these powers at their disposal, which is why neither of them seek to accomplish the same end.

Two sides of the same counterfeit coin.

20 posted on 02/06/2013 3:34:00 AM PST by fractionated
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To: fractionated
we all can come together, no matter one’s views on abortion, drugs, marriage and other social issues, because our economy is a disaster

There isn't a single person in America who does not think the economy is a disaster. Most of them voted for Obama.

Libertarian views on "abortion, drugs, marriage and other social issues" is precisely what is driving the big government, because immoral personal behavior makes one a natural client of the big government. If they wanted to reduce the size of government they would drive the pro-abort, homos, atheists, and stoners out of their movement on a rail.

21 posted on 02/06/2013 5:27:05 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: muir_redwoods
I think the former is more honest and true to its creed than the latter

However, the creed of the former is lousy so if they are true to it that's a bad thing...we get lousy people in power.

22 posted on 02/06/2013 8:40:09 AM PST by what's up
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