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Top Ten Problems with that Obama Skeet Shooting Picture
American Thinker ^ | 02/06/2013 | Marion DS Dreyfus

Posted on 02/06/2013 7:39:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind

It was a picture dredged up to prove the assertion the President had made in January to the breezy effect that the President is indeed acquainted with firearms, since, as he stated (roughly paraphrased), We've often shot skeet when we're at Camp David.

It took a few days, where conservative media baited the press secretary Jay Carney, for proof, any proof, and where the Democrats either pooh-poohed the need for proof, since the President rarely turns out to have accuracy as his first arrow out of the quiver, or they prayed-uncharacteristically -- that there were, somewhere, please Heaven, something to show that this was not another You didn't build that.

Herewith, a top ten listing of what makes one suspect the photo was bogus, cooked up with Photoshop or entirely composited, like the President's one "composite girlfriend" in his account of his 'dating life' before he became noteworthy and flew right into the radar. (And strange it is that there aren't women pouring out of the woodwork with pictures of their keeping company with the pre-President of his Columbia or Occidental days):

1. The President has no shoulder guard for recoil. No shoulder pad: He probably expected to "shoot" one single shot. And that was that. No need for a cumbersome padding for his shoulder. Not exactly a crackerjack constant practitioner, despite his avowal.

2. He is wearing sunglasses. Dark, tinted, sleek, stylized. Not what you wear to shoot skeet or any firearms practice. The correct protective gear is clear plastic goggles, usually rubbery and strapped around the head. Not Foster Grants.

3. The awkwardness of the President's stance leads one to believe he was insufficiently tutored. Or he had no idea what he was doing. And there were no handy-dandy experts around to correct his body language.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment; skeetshooting
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1 posted on 02/06/2013 7:39:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

is that even a shotgun? it looks more like a rife shot to me

what is that jet of smoke coming out the side?

it does not look like a pump-action shotgun- is it a single shot?


2 posted on 02/06/2013 7:43:06 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Virtually everything is fake about this dork.

Everything.

And I hope and pray that sooner or later, he is fully exposed for being the quota baby talentless piece of excrement that he is.


3 posted on 02/06/2013 7:43:47 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Some have said this picture was fake because Obama had nowhere to put the shells needed to reload.These people forget that Obama has Secret Service servants to reload for him.


4 posted on 02/06/2013 7:44:48 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Da Coyote

everything about liberalism is fake


5 posted on 02/06/2013 7:47:44 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

The left handed, right handed thing is probably not an indicator. I am left handed yet when I fire a weapon it is right handed. Made my Marine drill instructor a little crazy way back when but that is the way I’ve always fired weapons.

The thing about it being at Camp David indicates to me it is all staged since the POS kenyan despises Camp David and never wants to go there.

Nothing in the photo looks genuine except maybe the trees.


6 posted on 02/06/2013 7:48:21 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind
4. His shotgun is aimed straight ahead, where all skeet shooters we know of, including ourselves, follow the arc of the clay once the shooter yells "Pull!" Shooting straight is simply not doable, unless he is shooting at the person releasing the clay from its boot housing. The shotgun thus ought to be pointing up, to right or to left, at a strong angle to the ground.

Kudlow hammered 0 about this on last night's show. Some dim Dim tried to argue that he could be shooting a second shot straight ahead. Larry was having no part of it.

7 posted on 02/06/2013 7:49:07 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: SeekAndFind
2. He is wearing sunglasses. Dark, tinted, sleek, stylized. Not what you wear to shoot skeet or any firearms practice. The correct protective gear is clear plastic goggles, usually rubbery and strapped around the head.

Sunglasses on a cloudy day or late in the afternoon, no way.

The author says "The correct protective gear is clear plastic goggles, rubbery and strapped around the head. Show up at the local skeet field and someone will have to ask if you are going snorkeling?

8 posted on 02/06/2013 7:50:51 AM PST by TYVets
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To: SeekAndFind

His shotgun is aimed straight ahead, where all skeet shooters we know of, including ourselves, follow the arc of the clay once the shooter yells “Pull!” ....

I do not usually stick up for Obama but there is a picture of the Kennedy’s skeet shooting there and the angle of their shot gun is about the same. But there is a fence and smaller path around them than this picture.

Someone said that the smoke leaving on the right side of the barrel should not have had time to float forward due to wind unless it is a very windy day.

Also I am amazed that there is not a port on the left side of the barrel to even out the forces. But maybe there isn’t on this shotgun.


9 posted on 02/06/2013 7:51:52 AM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people do pencils make spelling errors.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Good morning.

#11. Again, the shotgun is ported on both sides, yet smoke is only coming out of the right side.

5.56mm

10 posted on 02/06/2013 7:53:02 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Mr. K
Browning Citori 525 under/over

Smoke is from the compensator ports

What is hinky is there is only a choke cylinder in the upper barrel, as if he was only planning on a single shot.

Also excessive smoke for smokeless powder, which suggests it may be a low charge blackpowder blank round.

Other than that...

11 posted on 02/06/2013 7:54:05 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: TYVets

The smoke coming out of the side port has no velocity. It appears to gently waft upwards.


12 posted on 02/06/2013 7:54:09 AM PST by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Mr. K

It’s an over and under shotgun! Note the operating lever on top!!


13 posted on 02/06/2013 7:55:16 AM PST by ontap
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To: Jane Long

That’s because he’s shooting at a peasant....

[Mel Brooks reference]


14 posted on 02/06/2013 7:55:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The author of this piece doesn’t seem to know much more about shotgunning than the anointed one. Rubbery goggles?


15 posted on 02/06/2013 7:56:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SeekAndFind

I was at the range the other day and I watched the smoke- the President’s smoke cloud looks a little odd, usually there is more of a sideways component as the gas escapes from in back of the wad.

Could this have been a blank, with no or little wadding?

In the picture it looks like someone blowing smoke down the barrel.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 7:57:04 AM PST by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m just an amateur photographer, but I marvel at the millisecond timing exhibited by the one who took this shot, to get it just at the moment of firing, with the absolute maximum visual drama of the muzzle smoke.

Wow. Unbelievable timing.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 7:58:46 AM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: Mr. K
is that even a shotgun? it looks more like a rife shot to me

It is a browning Citori, 20 guage, 28 guage, or 410. None of these are generally used by men to shoot skeet.

what is that jet of smoke coming out the side?

Some shot guns are ported on the sides. (Have holes in the side to reduce recoil).

Most are portred on both sides but occasionally you do see one ported on only one side.

That being said, smokeless (modern) powder does not smoke that much.

it does not look like a pump-action shotgun- is it a single shot?

It is a double barrel over under (frequently abbreviated to O/U) as opposed to a side by side. Many, but not all, have different chokes (restrictions on barrel diameter) for taking shots a different distances.

18 posted on 02/06/2013 7:59:45 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Mr. K

It’s a Browning Citori double barreled, over-under shotgun.


19 posted on 02/06/2013 8:03:22 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Mr. K

(11) Gasses should also be seen from the ports on the left side of the gun. Either the gun is malfunctioning (plugged ports are extremely dangerous) or the gasses seen on the right side were added to the photo (’shopped in).

(12) Overall, there is way too much “smoke”. Today’s smokeless powder is exactly that. This amount of smoke leads me to conclude that the load he is firing appears to be a non-projectile load; a “blank”.


20 posted on 02/06/2013 8:03:36 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; ontap

Thanks! I knew I could count on FReepers to know!

Speaking of new weapons ‘a friend’ recently purchased (before his tragic boating accident)... A recent purchase of a Circuit Judge 410/.45 and a Marlin 30-30 lever action make me all goose pimply

And suggesting for cheaper AMMO or an addition to this that would allow for practice with ammo not as expensive?

(any one here reload 410? since the initial cost or 410 ammo is $$$ I am thinking reloading makes good sense)


21 posted on 02/06/2013 8:04:04 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

#11. He’s shooting blanks. This picture is a smokescreen in more ways than one.


22 posted on 02/06/2013 8:04:04 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Also excessive smoke for smokeless powder, which suggests it may be a low charge blackpowder blank round.”

A “special” shell. No powder, no shot. Just a wad and a primer.

“Pull———ploot” No BANG, just a silly “ploot.”

Had it happen myself, with my Dad’s reloads. Embarrassing, but funny!


23 posted on 02/06/2013 8:05:13 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love the snark and all, but would someone ask these petty tyrants if the president is such a gun lover if he would use that shotgun for deadly force to protect his family. Please


24 posted on 02/06/2013 8:06:08 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

LOL!! 0’s History of the World imitates art :^)


25 posted on 02/06/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: Mr. K

Over/under with ported barrels to control muzzle rise.
Fairly common.

I think the pic is real, the gun is real, but the pic was STAGED. Somebody handed him a shotgun and took a picture of him shooting it, probably only once.

Focusing on the picture and not the intent or the context is a mistake.


26 posted on 02/06/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Oztrich Boy; ontap

Thanks! I knew I could count on FReepers to know!

Speaking of new weapons ‘a friend’ recently purchased (before his tragic boating accident)... A Circuit Judge 410/.45 and a Marlin 30-30 lever action (which makes me+10 :D ...)

Anyone have a good suggestion for cheaper AMMO or an addition to this collection that would allow for practice with ammo not so expensive?

(any one here reload 410? since the initial cost for 410 ammo is $$$ I am thinking reloading makes good sense)


27 posted on 02/06/2013 8:06:59 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

28 posted on 02/06/2013 8:09:55 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: agere_contra

The picture is supposed to convey the message that they, the left, do not have the goal of total confiscation, since it “would affect them too”.

This is how they get away with their incremental approach, by (imp)lying that the current step is the only step.


29 posted on 02/06/2013 8:10:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Hang'emAll; M Kehoe
#11. Again, the shotgun is ported on both sides, yet smoke is only coming out of the right side.

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Someone said that the smoke leaving on the right side of the barrel should not have had time to float forward due to wind unless it is a very windy day.
Also I am amazed that there is not a port on the left side of the barrel to even out the forces. But maybe there isn’t on this shotgun.

Nope. Also ported on left side (rows at 10:15 and 11:15 positions).

The smoke doesn't drift upward, it is ejected like there was an explosion behind it.

And the smoke is visible in front (left) of the upper rib. (Slightly misaligned because the barrel has recoiled about 4mm up and to the right)


30 posted on 02/06/2013 8:17:26 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Jane Long

Second shot when only top barrel is choked?


31 posted on 02/06/2013 8:18:31 AM PST by mnehring
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To: TYVets
The author says "The correct protective gear is clear plastic goggles, rubbery and strapped around the head. Show up at the local skeet field and someone will have to ask if you are going snorkeling?

I'm still laughing from when I first read that.

We wear nice yellow tinted wrap around safety glasses, and no, we don't wear big foam pads on one shoulder. Some clothing might have it sewn in, but that's about it. What do you need for a .410 round anyways?

32 posted on 02/06/2013 8:19:17 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: freebird5850
On a shotgun with ported barrels they are ported on both sides, yet smoke is only coming out of the right side and as you said "floating upwards. The ports are drilled in the upper part of the barrel, but probably a blank or photoshoped.

On the left side the ports in both the upper and lower barrels are sharp and clear, but no smoke there.

0bama and his "magic shotgun" ?

33 posted on 02/06/2013 8:24:45 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Oztrich Boy

***Smoke is from the compensator ports ***

Lets see if I get this straight...If I have holes drilled along the barrel to control recoil it is good.

If I place one on the end of a semi-auto rifle it converts it into an evil assault rifle!


34 posted on 02/06/2013 8:25:23 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: motor_racer
I’m just an amateur photographer, but I marvel at the millisecond timing exhibited by the one who took this shot, to get it just at the moment of firing, with the absolute maximum visual drama of the muzzle smoke.
Wow. Unbelievable timing.

There's an app for that now

This App Turns Your iPhone into a Sound Activated Camera

35 posted on 02/06/2013 8:25:37 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: SeekAndFind
He shoots skeet about like he throws a baseball...not very manly in either case.
36 posted on 02/06/2013 8:26:04 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: SeekAndFind

That OU looks like it is ported on both sides of the barrels. Hows come it only seems to be out-gassing on the right?

Does Citori have a fully selectable, jet assist, tracking model no one has ever heard of?

Meh, trap and skeet is just golf with guns...right up his alley.

With no offense intended to the Trap and Skeet crowd....

Some of my best friends.....

Stopping my digging now...

KYPD


37 posted on 02/06/2013 8:30:27 AM PST by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: DBrow
Could this have been a blank, with no or little wadding?

I've been saying it's a blank from day one.

38 posted on 02/06/2013 8:30:48 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Mr. K
And suggesting for cheaper AMMO or an addition to this that would allow for practice with ammo not as expensive?

Learn to reload. You won't save a dime, but you will shoot a lot more.

39 posted on 02/06/2013 8:32:39 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: petro45acp
That OU looks like it is ported on both sides of the barrels. Hows come it only seems to be out-gassing on the right?

Nope. check pic in #30. Smoke this side of the upper rib.

40 posted on 02/06/2013 8:33:46 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Good morning.

I didn't see that on Swampsnipers first photo. Plus, it's odd how it blends in perfectly to the starboard port.

5.56mm

41 posted on 02/06/2013 8:37:59 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: ElkGroveDan

LOL!


42 posted on 02/06/2013 8:40:37 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: motor_racer
"I marvel at the millisecond timing exhibited by the one who took this shot, to get it just at the moment of firing"........................... It isn't improbable that the photographer took a number of photos to get one that Zero liked, so that's the really risible thing: This was the best they could do? OK, I know they didn't have much to work with--just a professional photographer, a sweet gun and all the time in the world, but silk purse, Obama. He must have been anxious to hit the links. "Stop mocking the president and the First Lady's caboose or we'll Hellfire this dog." Your White House (Have a nice day!)
43 posted on 02/06/2013 8:43:01 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind

OK

I just checked Google Maps:

The skeet field is on the SW corner of Camp David firing NE towards the helipad across a large open field, with approximately 100 yards separating the two.

There appears to be a high fence running behind the semicircle between the low and high house. This fence does not appear in the shot.

The only skeet position that it would not appear behind a left-handed shooter is #7. What we should see in this shot is the open field with the heliport administrative buildings in the background.

I’m not sure what this picture represents, but it has nothing to do with skeet shooting at Camp David.


44 posted on 02/06/2013 8:43:31 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (The AR-15 is the Honda Civic of rifles)
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To: SeekAndFind
These type articles do disservice to conservatives and certainly do disservice to a publication titled "American Thinker".

1. The President has no shoulder guard for recoil. No shoulder pad: He probably expected to "shoot" one single shot. And that was that. No need for a cumbersome padding for his shoulder. Not exactly a crackerjack constant practitioner, despite his avowal.
Even 12 guage low brass shells don't produce enough recoil to require a shoulder pad.

2. He is wearing sunglasses. Dark, tinted, sleek, stylized. Not what you wear to shoot skeet or any firearms practice. The correct protective gear is clear plastic goggles, usually rubbery and strapped around the head. Not Foster Grants.
He isn't shooting competitively, just recreationally. If dark lenses are what he, or his PR people prefer, there's nothing wrong with it. Just do a Google image search on "skeet shooting" and you will see plenty of people shooting with dark glasses.
3. The awkwardness of the President's stance leads one to believe he was insufficiently tutored. Or he had no idea what he was doing. And there were no handy-dandy experts around to correct his body language. Stance is all in shooting, as is grip. BTW: The President is left-handed-does that square with his preferred shooting side?
If this was a right handed bolt action rifle, it might raise some eyebrows but for an over and under, it doesn't matter which side he shoots from. On another thread, someone pointed out that it's a left handed stock. Furthermore, if he didn't begin shooting until he became president, It's reasonable to assume he'd be shooting left handed and using left handed firearms since he never had to learn using someone elses right handed gun.
4. His shotgun is aimed straight ahead, where all skeet shooters we know of, including ourselves, follow the arc of the clay once the shooter yells "Pull!" Shooting straight is simply not doable, unless he is shooting at the person releasing the clay from its boot housing. The shotgun thus ought to be pointing up, to right or to left, at a strong angle to the ground.
Like birds, skeet can also fly low.
5. His hair is much greyer now than it was last year--the percentage of grey in the shot indicates he went back in time to get the picture, but forgot to match his hair black-to-grey ratio to match last year's follicular manifestation.
The background foliage and clothing are enough to tell you the photo wasn't taken two weeks ago at Camp David.
6. One picture? Why not scads? A photog almost always accompanies the President wherever he goes, save to the loo, perhaps. Do we understand that in the age of video and YouTube, cell phones with great cameras, tablets and throw-aways, there was but a single, lonely picture taken of this sport that the President claims to do "all the time"? Why no video? Why no pic-pac (my neologism), a strip of 4 sequential shots like we used to buy for $.50 from a machine with a tiny swivel-stool seat and a half-curtain of mustard-stained poly?
This could very possibly be a frame capture from an HD video.
7. Why was this so deep a secret until the President spilled the beans, declaring himself this virtuoso skeet aficionado? Not a whisper of this avocation escaped his lips or the lips of his confidants before his gambit to comfort second amendment fans and voters.
Because it was shot for use during the presidential campaign just in case a gun control or related issue arose during the campaign.
8. Can we ascertain with certitude that the photo background matches that to be found in Camp David? The CIA and FBI are aces at sussing out from a random area shot where something transpired. We did it for years around every photo of UBL, in a mountain redoubt, on a rock-strewn hillock, in a rural Afghani meadow, etc. Have we subjected this photograph to the same rigorous testing we employ with, say, Hezb'allah "war shots" accusing Israel, say, of atrocities and poison gas, cluster bombs, lethal resins and deliberate bombing of civilians? In that case, there is an entirely lovely coining, Faux-tography, developed to represent the array of deceit practiced by stringers in the pay of terror groups but not averse to pinning false charges on the Israelis by a mere flick of the computer COPY and PASTE technical wizardry.
Now the writer is really entering kookville. He could just as easily as anyone else obtained file images/video from Camp David and painstakingly gone through it trying to match background features.
9. Is the man in the photo even Barack Hussein Obama? Or is it a body double? The President famously conferred with Kathryn Bigelow of ZERO DARK THIRTY fame, giving her all manner of privileged and classified information in order to macho up the truth factor of her boffo capture-and-kill lenser on the triangulation leading to UBL's ballyhoo'ed capture and FedEx dispatch to the 72 virgins over in the stucco'ed, heavily reinforced Bin Ladin fortress in downtown Abbottabad, a mere mile or so from Afghanistan's West Point.

10. Good to note the President wore ear protection, which was an easy grab for the set designer to haul in. Does he have that ear-protective design still in his possession, or was it borrowed? Can we test for DNA?
Why not ask for the pants, shirt, watch, glasses or underwear?
45 posted on 02/06/2013 8:49:29 AM PST by fso301
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To: SeekAndFind

As for the lack of shoulder padding, it isn’t always needed.
I own 2 Mossberg 500 shotguns. They are just stock models without modifications. They were manufactured 11 years apart. They look identical, except for the fact that the stock on one is slightly lighter in color.
The newer one will give me a bruise with every shot. The one that’s 11 years older, kicks less than my Marlin Model 60 .22LR.
Since I can see no other differences, I attribute the lack of kick to some really nice damping from the wooden stock.


46 posted on 02/06/2013 8:50:58 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: motor_racer
The operative word being unbelievable.
47 posted on 02/06/2013 8:57:38 AM PST by Bob
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

(12) Overall, there is way too much “smoke”. Today’s smokeless powder is exactly that. This amount of smoke leads me to conclude that the load he is firing appears to be a non-projectile load; a “blank”.


Interesting. I just learned from credible internet sources that blank shotshells typically employ black powder, which is smoky compared to modern smokeless powders.


48 posted on 02/06/2013 9:03:37 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Tyranny -> Genocide)
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To: Oztrich Boy

One more possible indication of fakery is the muzzle smoke appears to come out of the muzzle only at the initial instant the camera shutter was open, and did not keep coming out at the muzzle blurred upward and to the rear. This makes it look like the smoke was photoshopped in later, and they didn't think about the muzzle's upward motion.

Instead it should be like a photo of a water hose nozzle, blurring during the shot, with the emitted source point of the stream of water blurring along with it.

There is no doubt in this shooters mind that muzzle gasses do not stop in an instant as would be required for this picture to be real.

49 posted on 02/06/2013 9:09:19 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Tyranny -> Genocide)
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To: Oztrich Boy

M’own darn fault for not checking the whole thread.....

Cheers,


50 posted on 02/06/2013 9:10:35 AM PST by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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