Skip to comments.Sandy Hook DA cites 'potential suspects,' fears witness safety
Posted on 02/06/2013 11:30:20 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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Not if trained EMS personnel were available or en-route.
Did the police have the victims stable before transporting? Where the victims in shock? Could they go into shock during transport? Was there trauma where moving the victim may not have been the right move - such as a spinal injury from bullets or from falling down? You move a victim with a spinal injury that is not stabilized you may just be killing them.
Police should have stabilized obvious bleeding - the primary cause of death (about 70%) of all gunshot victims.
Police rushing victims to the hospital in a squad car when EMS is on the way is nothing less than reckless.
So if all this happened this way - lawyers should be circling the Newtown Police headquarters.
No room in that traffic pattern for them with all the conspiracy theorists, hoaxers, children of the corn, maze mavens, and witch watchers circling.
> “Who else has been implicated?” <<
The guy that owned the car that Adam was driving. He is a reg sex offender, and was shown in video footage, being forced into the front seat of a police cruiser at the school after the shooting.
>> “If the sole shooter just killed himself why not bring in the EMS????” <<
Because they needed fatalities?
Can you raise a horse on 3 acres? Well, according to Virginia:
In Virginia, two to three acres of well-managed pasture should provide adequate grazing and exercise for a mature horse. However, with careful, sustainable pasture management a horse may be adequately kept on less acreage. Regardless of acreage, both the large equine business and the small hobbyist will benefit from sustainable grazing management, which is critical to a healthy sod that benefits the horse, the owner, and the environment.
Could he ride the horse on 3 acres? Well, he didn't -- from the article:
Neighbor Judy Petro said she occasionally saw Jesse riding with his mother, Scarlett, as the pair cut through the Petros' property to reach a horse trail in the neighborhood.Hmm. There's a neighbor who actually OBSERVED the mother and Jesse riding horses. So what was the whole point of your post trying to prove that he didn't ride horses?
"They rode horses, and we gave her permission to ride through our land to get to the trail that the horses go on.
I mean, inference is fun, but it is generally trumped by eyewitness testimony. He lived with his mother, they had a horse, he rode the horse in the neighborhood, and they had an agreement with the neighbor to get to the HORSE PATH. BTW, did you search google maps to see if there was a horse path near that property?
Wow, what do you know. There IS. And Google actually shows horse paddocks. And horse rails for jumping. I think I even see an actual horse. So, yes, inference and speculation is all fun, but there's actual PICTURES that refute your inferences.
Now, about your inference that Neil Heslin had no relationship to Jesse. Well, there is a problem with that one as well, starting with the existence of actual PICTURES of Neil with Jesse:
Of course, that doesn't mean they are related or anything. There's a Neil that lives in Bristol, who sounds like about the right age. That's a short drive from Sandy Hook.
Now, you claim that "father and a son have different last names? This in and of itself is very non-traditional."
But it isn't. That is a quite common thing, when the father gets his girlfriend pregnant, and she doesn't want to marry him. I know three young girls who have kids with their last names, not the father's last names.
But is that what happened here? You claim "there is no known legitimate connection between Heslin and Jesse Lewis."
But there is. By news reports, we know Scarlett is a single mom, Heslin is the father, and they aren't married. Sandy Hook Victims: Jesse Lewis:
'I dont have much family so its kind of a quiet time for me he made Christmas happy for me and joyful and I said to him Jess, we'll make it as best we can and the next day the tragedy happened, it occurred and I thought Boy was he wrong about that, Mr Heslin said on CNN.
Ms Lewis, who did not live with Mr Heslin, had planned to leave work early on Friday so that she could go to school to make gingerbread houses with her youngest son, who was excitedly awaiting the Christmas tradition.
So, nope, not some bizarre thing; sadly typical in our hook-up culture, it's nice that the father at least seems to have stayed in touch and involved in the kid's life. Your implied argument that Heslin wasn't related to Jesse is absurd. You should join the other poster in the crop-circle maze.
But what about that strange "Wild Rose Farm" business? Let's ignore for the moment that a report could easily write "Wild Rose Farm" when they meant to write "WildRoseFarm".
See, there actually IS, or at least was recently, a "www.wildrosefarm.net". You said: "www.wildrosefarm.net. So lets go see where Jesse grew up and enter that website into our browser. Nothing. You do not get a 404...but you are told the there is no webpage configured for that URL."
Fair enough. But there was, which you can find if you just poke a little more into that whole "who owns the website" thing. It could be that because of the tragedy, she took down the web site. Anyway, here's a picture of what used to be hosted at "www.wildrosefarm.net":
It isn't odd for web sites to go off-grid. Even sites referenced by books.
So you say "So now we have an address which is useful because Wild Rose Farm is nowhere to be found on in Connecticut."
But you can find it on the net, if you search Wild Rose Farm Sandy Hook, Ct. OK, not directly, but you immediately get THIS reference:
: http://wildrosefarm.net Located in Sandy Hook, CT of Fairfield County. Thank you for your interest in Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs. Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs is a breeder of Mastiffs in Sandy Hook, CT. Sandy Hook is located in Fairfield County. Please contact this breeder using the Inquiry form on the right to learn about pricing, colors, shipping, health guarantees, availability and more!
Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs See, there's that web address again. And apparently the horse farm is a dog breeding kennel. But it's called "Wild Rose Farm", and it is in Sandy Hook. So no real mystery, unless you really believe that the web is the be-all and end-all of existence.
Located in Sandy Hook, CT of Fairfield County.
Thank you for your interest in Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs. Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs is a breeder of Mastiffs in Sandy Hook, CT. Sandy Hook is located in Fairfield County. Please contact this breeder using the Inquiry form on the right to learn about pricing, colors, shipping, health guarantees, availability and more!
So in summary:
1. Clear connection between Heslin and Lewis. 2. Wild Rose Farm exists, looks like it had a horse, and also did dog breeding. 3. Still a connection between Heslin and Lewis. 4. Who cares who Scarlett was married to 12 years ago? 5. How is it relevant that she might have married some guy she later divorced a year after he got in admnistrative trouble as a broker?
But of course. Lewis was once married to a guy who before their marriage did something wrong while dealing stocks on Nasdaq. Because of that, 13 years later a mysterious group, probably satan worshippers associated with the burger-miester meister-burger, got tired of banning toys, and decided to get back at random people who were associated with stock trading, by targeting the non-related children of ex-wives of two-bit suspended brokers.
Independently, the anti-gun folks, seizing an opportunity, hired some actor related to John Goodman to pretend to be the father of one of the kids. Using their time machine, they went back, hired the guy, had him pose with the still-living child, so later when the kid turned up dead, he could come out, claim to be the father, the mother of course would go along with this because don't all mothers acknowledge random men pretending to be their kid's father.
Did you see the triangle with all the missing ships? Well, if you go back and look at the google images of Lewis's Wild Rose Farm, you'll see the missing boats have mysteriously appeared in her next-door-neighbor's yard. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Maybe he had porn on the computer. Hey, maybe he was surreptitiously filming his mother, and had pictures of her on his computer.
One day, she finds out, gets really mad, and smashes his computer. He retaliates by grabbing one of her guns, and killing her. Then he runs to the elementary school and kills a bunch of kids before taking his own life.
Or maybe he took his computer with him to the school, but when he drove through the bermuda road triangle, his computer was sucked out of that reality and back to his house, where it was dropped in his room, smashing the hard drive.
How do you smash just a hard drive, without first taking it out of your computer?
Now I'm confused, because I thought Jesse didn't have parents.
On a more serious note, I know a witch.
And when I was in high school, we had a mother and daughter witch duo come speak to our english class.
The modern "wiccan" movement has really little relationship to the concept of "witchcraft" made popular in literature, and in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It's more of a "Gaia" movement than a group trying to turn children into frogs.
I'm not saying they aren't nuts. Just that yelling "Witch Witch" just doesn't have the impact it used to.
I see what you did there with that alliteration thing.
He was a geek, I’m quite sure he was capable of removing a hard drive. We don’t know the extent of the smashing either.
All I know is that real life takes longer than television.
If he smashed up his computer(s) then he had a reason for it and if the investigators get lucky, they might find out what it was and maybe it might shed some light into his sorry mess of a mind. But it might be completely trivial, petty and inexplicable to the normal instead of a smoking gun.
Just reading these threads, it’s obvious that there are a lot of people on the edge of the crazy cliff and they fixate and obsess on the darnedest things.
Wow. Just wow.
Charles - I find the response the Wild Rose Farm questions reasonable. 3 1/2 acres is small for thoroughbreds - but maybe not for other less active breeds and access to trails would be needed. Ms. Lewis’s book has been out for some time and the the photo from the defunked web page is clear from the same location as referenced in Goggle maps. This may have been an unnecessary tangent of inspection.
So back to the question of Neil Heslin.
Was he a stepfather as Uncle Chip says? Meaning did he married Scarlett Lewis/Burke and then lived as a family and then they later divorced? Absolutely no account uses the term ‘stepfather’. So what drove the response of a ‘stepfather’.
Or was it as you say a ‘hook up’ situation? No marriage, no formal connection? 37 seems be a little old for this admittedly more common situation but its in the realm of possibility. But there is no legal connection then how is that Neil Heslin gets credibility as ‘the father’ with no inspection by the press.
You gentlemen have provided two completely different answer to the simple question - why do father and son have different last names. Both can not be true.
From what is seen it would appear the later matches. Had Neil Heslin been a legal ‘stepfather’ that is likely how he would have been identified as such and not as ‘father’.
What mystery will crop up next???
I'm sorry I forgot my question marks in that response: "???".
It should have been: "Stepfather???"
Is that better.
Oooops -- -- sorry -- forgot them again:
Is that better???
“The whole situation bears looking into.”
Well, good thing you are on the case then. Keep us posted on how the Satanic-gas company-corn maze cabal is maneuvering to destroy us.
Do we have another DA trying to make a name for himself?
Well aren't you lucky. You get to choose which one solves your mystery.
I won't be offended if you choose Charles' solution to your deep dilemma. It's a magnificent one that I hadn't thought of.
So take your pick.
It will just be nice to know that another Sandy Hook mystery has been solved and we can all rest from our suspicions -- for an hour or two.
Charlie, that is possibly the most eleborate putdown I’ve ever witnessed at FR! Congrats ... the mind remains sharp I see.
“The order didnt just come from one person. The EMS captain didnt make that decision on his own.”
And you know that how exactly?
“WTC steel instantly shipped to China...”
So, you think 9/11 was an “inside job” too, eh?
They may not have known the owner of the car (Lanza’s mother) was dead when they got the warrants. After all, one warrant was for the house, which is where they found her, so it stands to reason that they probably got the warrant before they knew she was dead.
I'm talking about a deep systemic failure:
The steel could have proved that the sprinklers were sabotaged.
The pass gave him access to the buildings' sprinkler systems.
I bet he "fixed" them real good...
The phrases “did not act alone” and “may have not acted alone” are not equivalent.
I think you’re still missing the point. There are not only 2 propositions here. It’s not a matter of if he acted alone, or if he didn’t act alone. You’re not accounting for what is the most likely actual situation, which is that the police are required to investigate whether he acted alone or not, even if they have no evidence of other conspirators.
They must investigate it, even if simply to rule it out, and until they do that investigation and rule it out, they can’t just assume there are no other potential suspects out there. If they did make that assumption, and reveal a bunch of evidence mid-investigation, but then found out there were accomplices later on, they could blow their chances of prosecuting them.
Sprinklers sabotaged? I don’t see why they would bother, since water can’t extinguish jet fuel. The sprinklers probably would have just made it worse. Don’t want to get too far off topic though, just was curious about that.
I especially liked how the wildrosefarm website had a picture which shows the actual farm, which you can verify by looking at the google maps image, which shows you the buildings and the fence.
Actually, google maps and google street view are both the coolest thing around, and the scariest to me. That much knowledge at your fingertips....
I doubt he is a stepfather. That would imply that their was some other father, and that Heslin adopted the child (although sometimes people use the term “stepfather” more colloquially, if the guy moves in with the mother, even if they don’t marry and he doesn’t adopt). And since the public record seems to show she hasn’t been married in the past decade, if Heslin wasn’t the father, then there is some OTHER guy she wasn’t married to who IS the father, but who isn’t involved — and it would be weird that the biological father wasn’t involved, but some unrelated man called himself the “father”.
We can be pretty sure Burke wasn’t the father, since that divorce is way longer ago than the conception of Jesse.
I think it much more likely that he is the biological father. I don’t see why this is considered odd. Guys, even 37-year-old guys, like sex. He only had to have unprotected sex once with her. So it is quite likely she is the biological mother, he is the biological father, they never got married, maybe never even formally lived together, and are not now actively seeing each other.
It does seem clear that he was involved in the child’s life. I don’t know if the records that would indicate child support are public, so I don’t know if he was or was not paying child support. I’m not sure I WANT it to be easy for random people like us to get on the internet and learn the details of legal arrangements between a mother, a father, and a child.
I don’t know about Uncle Chip, but I am mostly speculating on these threads. I mean, I find actual links to things, but I don’t know these people, and I don’t have access to private records, so I’m not giving you facts, I’m telling you the WAYS in which what we observe could be true and make sense.
So I don’t know the relationship. But I see nothing in the public record that is contradictory, or strange, about this particular group of 3 people, or their lives on a farm with horses.
I know people are mad at Mr. Heslin for being against the 2nd amendment, but I think one can be a real father and still be stupid about the 2nd amendment.
If the sprinklers were working, they could have cooled the steel below its softening point.
Water is used shipboard to fight jet fuel fires, both to sweep flaming fuel off the decks and as a fog to reduce the oxygen available and cool the affected area.
I don’t think that even the engineering trained bin Laden depended on total building collapses, but he would diligently do all he could to maximize damage.
Interfering with fire suppression would be well within those efforts.
No sprinklers, and the fire can spread throughout the buildings, sprinklers and there is a chance it can be confined to the impact floors.
Diddling with the sprinklers was cheap insurance. AFAIK, the guy that did it is a free man!
Obviously Mr. Heslin’s testimony was manipulated by the media in a manner that put him him in spot light even more than normal.
Taking anything at face value from the media is difficult now-a-days with media news stars like Dan Rather, Pier Morgan and the chief of NBC news and other media people being involved with their own ‘hoaxes’. That includes manipulating Mr. Heslin’s testimony.
This may still be a rabbit hole but a very shallow one compared to other oddities surrounding the event.
May not have acted alone in a prosecutorial statement?
Politics are involved.
Assume what you will, but IMHO, there was more than one person involved or the report would not be witheld. The democrat liberal fascists are writting the report and it goes against what the facts are in the investigation in still sealed documents.
Its a question of reality choice. And the dems live ion a Utopia, and will deny anything that does not support that Utopia.Investigative work does NOT work that way.
“May not have acted alone,” is political double speak required by the liberal fascist culture now predominant in our country.It means the perpetator did not act alone.
Maybe there is a low-level natural gas leak. The company doesn't care, because it's not like they get money for that gas or anything, so they wouldn't miss it. And maybe the gas makes everybody addled. I know, natural gas mostly knocks you out and then you die in the explosion, but we are speculating here, so maybe this is a special type of natural gas that doesn't have the smelly additives, and just makes you loopy.
So, Adam breathes this stuff every day (well, ok, he doesn't actually go to school anymore, and probably isn't walking around town where the gas leak is, but maybe they hooked up some lines from the gas leak to his house). He goes nuts. So do all the teachers and students at the elementary school.
Well, we know the cops are affected, because they are touching dead and injured bodies, and we know that cops using their full faculties never will be seen touching bodies that need medical help, or escorting them out of a building or anything like that....
And this could explain the EMS folks being told to "stand down", like they were sleeping on the job.
It could certainly explain Crazy Gene -- he's just addled by the leaking natural gas:
Except how do you explain Gene performing this satanic ritual, attempting to re-animate various animals he had previously turned into stuffed dolls?:
I mean, that's not the act of a guy who has a natural gas high. Not that there is any acts known to be committed by people stoned on natural gas, given that you can't actually get stoned on natural gas.
Sprinklers may have helped, because while they would have spread the burning jet fuel, they also would have spread OUT the burning jet fuel, and whatever ignited because of it would have burned cooler. Also, the water might have cooled down the beams enough to keep them from buckling.
On the other hand, with an airplane just having run right through your sprinkler riser system, it’s not going to be easy to get water above the fire. Just one of those things nobody thought about before — what to do if someone drives a plane through your building.
“May not have acted alone in a prosecutorial statement?”
Means the same thing it means in most any context in the English language. If they wanted to say that he didn’t act alone, they would say he didn’t act alone. It’s basic grammar, not rocket science.
“And the dems live ion a Utopia, and will deny anything that does not support that Utopia.Investigative work does NOT work that way.
May not have acted alone, is political double speak required by the liberal fascist culture now predominant in our country.It means the perpetator did not act alone.”
If you can’t see the glaring contradiction inherent in those two sentences, then I think you’ve got more to worry about than Sandy Hook.
I think you might be on to something there. Keep digging!
I am disappointed that you believe anything from the “grieving family members and witnesses” Gene Rosen, Robbie Parker, Nick Phelps, Laura Phelps, Kaitlyn Roig, Lynn McDonnell, Chris McDonnell, Sally Cox, Krista Rekos and the Soto brother and all the other LIARS, FRAUDS, PHONIES and FAKERS involved.
How could I believe what those people have said when I’ve never heard anything those people have said? I think you posted to the wrong person.
These "Sandy Hook" liars are the shame of this Country.
“Now I’m confused, because I thought Jesse didn’t have parents. “
I never said he had no parents. I really don’t like your posts and don’t really read them because of stuff you pull like the above...but that stood out to me as I was glossing over the posts.
THE WITCH friend of Scarlett has said that Neil is the ex of Scarlett. Could be ex boyfried..could be ex husband
The mother of Scarlett is Maureen Lewis.
Oh why don’t you make a long winded post about Uncle Chips claim that the police tossed out important evidence out of the car onto the pavement - thus contaminating it.
One more thing, Mad as Hatter has a certain origin. And wouldn’t you know...Newtown has a connection to it. As does Danbury. I suspect there are plenty of people who subcontracted work that ended up with a lot of chemicals in their ground. You can find posts on the internet pre 2012 talking about the politics and toxic dumping that has gone on for years and years and years and years
Gene Rosen, Robbie Parker, Nick Phelps, Laura Phelps, Kaitlyn Roig, Lynn McDonnell, Chris McDonnell, Sally Cox, Krista Rekos and the Soto brother are all LIARS, FRAUDS, PHONIES and FAKERS.
If you cant see the glaring contradiction inherent in those two sentences, then I think youve got more to worry about than Sandy Hook.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Buahahahaha. Wait a minute, you should have given me a testimonial oath!
Your cross examination is irrelevant.
You have more to worry about than Sandy Hook. Do you really know exactly WHERE you are.....even?
But please, embrace the LIES of Gene Rosen, Robbie Parker, Nick Phelps, Laura Phelps, Kaitlyn Roig, Lynn McDonnell, Chris McDonnell, Sally Cox, Krista Rekos and the Soto brother. They are all yours.
During each interview, you will see an overwhelming amount of distortions, fake tears, contradictory stories, false statements, inappropriate laughter, odd smiles and a series of other extremely out of place behavior. Not a single genuine tear from anyone, not a single genuine display of grief or sadness and not a single shred of credibility in ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE.
Once you juxtapose these liars and fakers to REAL SURVIVORS from places like Fort Hood, Virginia Tech and Columbine....
Get back to me afterwards.
and if any of them are nuns who have lost their habits.
Perhaps our Baccardi drinker can check on that.
My God, I can't believe this is really still going on here. You people HAVE to be planted.
I'm surprised you are not spending more time today getting ready for the big Grammy performance with your faker and liar buddies.
You really do hate those kids, don't you??? What did they ever do to you???
I have never heard or read any of those names until you posted them to me. I don’t know why you think I would be interested in them. You comments to me are entirely out of context with anything I have said so I still think you have posted to the wrong person.