Skip to comments.Sandy Hook DA cites 'potential suspects,' fears witness safety
Posted on 02/06/2013 11:30:20 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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But if they had gotten the dead bodies, and taken them to the druid temple in the corn maze, they could have performed satanic rituals and raised them from the dead.
No, I think he meant “potential suspects”. It would be absurd to ASSUME that Adam acted alone. If he DID act alone, you’ll figure that out when, after you do all the investigation, you can’t find anybody else who worked with him.
If you start by assuming he was a lone gunman, you’ll ignore anything that points elsewhere, and probably never find anything different.
How do we know that Adam didn’t tell his plan to someone else? Or if there was something that happened in the school that triggered his attack, something that itself might have been criminal? Did the mother have all her guns legally, or were some of them purchased illegally? If illegal, was it because some gun store didn’t follow the law, or did the mother lie on the forms?
I’m not saying that any of those things are true. I’m saying that, in an investigation, there are a lot of things to look at, and you want to keep witness statements confidential both to protect witnesses (if there IS another conspirator), and to keep other witnesses from having tainted stories because of what they read from others.
If we find out Adam was alone, that won’t surprise me. It wouldn’t particularly surprise me if there was somebody else involved, although I would be surprised if it was another active shooter. But maybe a facilitator.
One thing that we know little about is the mother being shot. We know she was shot, but how do we KNOW that Adam did it? I don’t think they have said that the bullets were matched. Or what if someone wanted her dead, and set off Adam so he’d do it? See, there are many possibilities to be eliminated, and I’m glad to see that the investigators aren’t wedded to a predetermined outcome.
It’s funny though watching the conspiracy nuts who act like these signs of good investigations are actually signs of a coverup. Because no good coverup is going to point out the potential “other suspects”.
I’m just relaxing after a hard day and that just made me LOL.
If the police officers were the only ones in the building then they were reckless and may have caused additonal deaths.
It is not possible for non-EMS trained personnel to tell the dead from wounded. Police officers can not do that.
If the police decided all the wounded were dead - regardless of the wounds - then there should a line of lawyers ready to sue the Newtown Police.
Don'cha know??? CSI solves crimes in 47 minutes now; why should the real folks take longer??? </sarc>
Very interesting and very strange. I wonder what’s going on and will follow more closely than I was.
So then the police officers at Sandy Hook Elementary should not have carried those two wounded first graders out to their cruiser and driven them to the hospital to try to save their lives???
That is a lot of ‘ifs.’ Got any facts of the case?
Not if trained EMS personnel were available or en-route.
Did the police have the victims stable before transporting? Where the victims in shock? Could they go into shock during transport? Was there trauma where moving the victim may not have been the right move - such as a spinal injury from bullets or from falling down? You move a victim with a spinal injury that is not stabilized you may just be killing them.
Police should have stabilized obvious bleeding - the primary cause of death (about 70%) of all gunshot victims.
Police rushing victims to the hospital in a squad car when EMS is on the way is nothing less than reckless.
So if all this happened this way - lawyers should be circling the Newtown Police headquarters.
No room in that traffic pattern for them with all the conspiracy theorists, hoaxers, children of the corn, maze mavens, and witch watchers circling.
> “Who else has been implicated?” <<
The guy that owned the car that Adam was driving. He is a reg sex offender, and was shown in video footage, being forced into the front seat of a police cruiser at the school after the shooting.
>> “If the sole shooter just killed himself why not bring in the EMS????” <<
Because they needed fatalities?
Can you raise a horse on 3 acres? Well, according to Virginia:
In Virginia, two to three acres of well-managed pasture should provide adequate grazing and exercise for a mature horse. However, with careful, sustainable pasture management a horse may be adequately kept on less acreage. Regardless of acreage, both the large equine business and the small hobbyist will benefit from sustainable grazing management, which is critical to a healthy sod that benefits the horse, the owner, and the environment.
Could he ride the horse on 3 acres? Well, he didn't -- from the article:
Neighbor Judy Petro said she occasionally saw Jesse riding with his mother, Scarlett, as the pair cut through the Petros' property to reach a horse trail in the neighborhood.Hmm. There's a neighbor who actually OBSERVED the mother and Jesse riding horses. So what was the whole point of your post trying to prove that he didn't ride horses?
"They rode horses, and we gave her permission to ride through our land to get to the trail that the horses go on.
I mean, inference is fun, but it is generally trumped by eyewitness testimony. He lived with his mother, they had a horse, he rode the horse in the neighborhood, and they had an agreement with the neighbor to get to the HORSE PATH. BTW, did you search google maps to see if there was a horse path near that property?
Wow, what do you know. There IS. And Google actually shows horse paddocks. And horse rails for jumping. I think I even see an actual horse. So, yes, inference and speculation is all fun, but there's actual PICTURES that refute your inferences.
Now, about your inference that Neil Heslin had no relationship to Jesse. Well, there is a problem with that one as well, starting with the existence of actual PICTURES of Neil with Jesse:
Of course, that doesn't mean they are related or anything. There's a Neil that lives in Bristol, who sounds like about the right age. That's a short drive from Sandy Hook.
Now, you claim that "father and a son have different last names? This in and of itself is very non-traditional."
But it isn't. That is a quite common thing, when the father gets his girlfriend pregnant, and she doesn't want to marry him. I know three young girls who have kids with their last names, not the father's last names.
But is that what happened here? You claim "there is no known legitimate connection between Heslin and Jesse Lewis."
But there is. By news reports, we know Scarlett is a single mom, Heslin is the father, and they aren't married. Sandy Hook Victims: Jesse Lewis:
'I dont have much family so its kind of a quiet time for me he made Christmas happy for me and joyful and I said to him Jess, we'll make it as best we can and the next day the tragedy happened, it occurred and I thought Boy was he wrong about that, Mr Heslin said on CNN.
Ms Lewis, who did not live with Mr Heslin, had planned to leave work early on Friday so that she could go to school to make gingerbread houses with her youngest son, who was excitedly awaiting the Christmas tradition.
So, nope, not some bizarre thing; sadly typical in our hook-up culture, it's nice that the father at least seems to have stayed in touch and involved in the kid's life. Your implied argument that Heslin wasn't related to Jesse is absurd. You should join the other poster in the crop-circle maze.
But what about that strange "Wild Rose Farm" business? Let's ignore for the moment that a report could easily write "Wild Rose Farm" when they meant to write "WildRoseFarm".
See, there actually IS, or at least was recently, a "www.wildrosefarm.net". You said: "www.wildrosefarm.net. So lets go see where Jesse grew up and enter that website into our browser. Nothing. You do not get a 404...but you are told the there is no webpage configured for that URL."
Fair enough. But there was, which you can find if you just poke a little more into that whole "who owns the website" thing. It could be that because of the tragedy, she took down the web site. Anyway, here's a picture of what used to be hosted at "www.wildrosefarm.net":
It isn't odd for web sites to go off-grid. Even sites referenced by books.
So you say "So now we have an address which is useful because Wild Rose Farm is nowhere to be found on in Connecticut."
But you can find it on the net, if you search Wild Rose Farm Sandy Hook, Ct. OK, not directly, but you immediately get THIS reference:
: http://wildrosefarm.net Located in Sandy Hook, CT of Fairfield County. Thank you for your interest in Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs. Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs is a breeder of Mastiffs in Sandy Hook, CT. Sandy Hook is located in Fairfield County. Please contact this breeder using the Inquiry form on the right to learn about pricing, colors, shipping, health guarantees, availability and more!
Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs See, there's that web address again. And apparently the horse farm is a dog breeding kennel. But it's called "Wild Rose Farm", and it is in Sandy Hook. So no real mystery, unless you really believe that the web is the be-all and end-all of existence.
Located in Sandy Hook, CT of Fairfield County.
Thank you for your interest in Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs. Wild Rose Farm Old English Mastiffs is a breeder of Mastiffs in Sandy Hook, CT. Sandy Hook is located in Fairfield County. Please contact this breeder using the Inquiry form on the right to learn about pricing, colors, shipping, health guarantees, availability and more!
So in summary:
1. Clear connection between Heslin and Lewis. 2. Wild Rose Farm exists, looks like it had a horse, and also did dog breeding. 3. Still a connection between Heslin and Lewis. 4. Who cares who Scarlett was married to 12 years ago? 5. How is it relevant that she might have married some guy she later divorced a year after he got in admnistrative trouble as a broker?
But of course. Lewis was once married to a guy who before their marriage did something wrong while dealing stocks on Nasdaq. Because of that, 13 years later a mysterious group, probably satan worshippers associated with the burger-miester meister-burger, got tired of banning toys, and decided to get back at random people who were associated with stock trading, by targeting the non-related children of ex-wives of two-bit suspended brokers.
Independently, the anti-gun folks, seizing an opportunity, hired some actor related to John Goodman to pretend to be the father of one of the kids. Using their time machine, they went back, hired the guy, had him pose with the still-living child, so later when the kid turned up dead, he could come out, claim to be the father, the mother of course would go along with this because don't all mothers acknowledge random men pretending to be their kid's father.
Did you see the triangle with all the missing ships? Well, if you go back and look at the google images of Lewis's Wild Rose Farm, you'll see the missing boats have mysteriously appeared in her next-door-neighbor's yard. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Maybe he had porn on the computer. Hey, maybe he was surreptitiously filming his mother, and had pictures of her on his computer.
One day, she finds out, gets really mad, and smashes his computer. He retaliates by grabbing one of her guns, and killing her. Then he runs to the elementary school and kills a bunch of kids before taking his own life.
Or maybe he took his computer with him to the school, but when he drove through the bermuda road triangle, his computer was sucked out of that reality and back to his house, where it was dropped in his room, smashing the hard drive.
How do you smash just a hard drive, without first taking it out of your computer?
Now I'm confused, because I thought Jesse didn't have parents.
On a more serious note, I know a witch.
And when I was in high school, we had a mother and daughter witch duo come speak to our english class.
The modern "wiccan" movement has really little relationship to the concept of "witchcraft" made popular in literature, and in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It's more of a "Gaia" movement than a group trying to turn children into frogs.
I'm not saying they aren't nuts. Just that yelling "Witch Witch" just doesn't have the impact it used to.