Skip to comments.Why Do Americans--Especially Among the Contemporary Elite--Believe Their Country is Evil?
Posted on 02/06/2013 12:48:18 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
One of the highlights of the 1961 inauguration of President John F. Kennedy, 52 years ago, was a poem by the beloved Robert Frost. That morning I had watched the new vice-president, Lyndon Johnson, leave his home down the street and a bit later watched Frost read the poem on television that snowy day, looking at the same snow outside my window a few miles away.
The poem was entitled, The Gift Outright, and it began:
The land was ours before we were the land's.
She was our land more than a hundred years
Before we were her people. She was ours
In Massachusetts, in Virginia,
But we were England's, still colonials .
That poem could not be read today and if it were the result would be attacks, condemnation, and derision.
Why? Lets count the reasons:
--The poem defines the birth of America as based on a gift. Today it would be said to be based on theft. --A gift from whom? The implication is from God. To claim such a thing would be seen as hubris and dangerous non-atheism.
--It claims the land during the colonial period belonged to the colonialists whereas it is assumed now that it belonged to the Native Americans and thus such a statement is racist.
--It identifies America with people from England which would be the kind of racist, chauvinist thinking that could not be more derided. After all, what about the slaves as well as the Native Americans?
The fact that Frost was basically correct, that America in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries arose from English settlers, that it belonged as a nation to those who became Americans, that it shaped those people in a positive way, and that the founders (who Frost is echoing in the poem) saw things in a similar way, are all deemed irrelevant.
But how can America exist as a legitimate nation if Frosts view is condemned, even if one takes into account the countrys later direction and development?
This discussion reminds us that the hegemonic elite in the United States today has largely achieved something never done elsewhere: it has convinced itself and a large portion of the countrys youth that Americas whole history is evil. There is one other country (I'll mention below) that has far more logically convinced most of its people to believe just one part of its history is evil. See if you can guess.
I dont want to exaggerate here. Obviously not everyone feels that way and equally this sentiment is not applied to all things. In his second inaugural speech, President Barack Obama put forward contradictory ideas. On one hand, he tried to bridge the gap by saying that the founders were merely outdated and that he had now assumed their mantle. On the other hand, he played subtly on the evil rich white male heterosexual slaveholder theme.
So they succeed in having it both ways: America was a great idea but the way it was organized is obsolete; America has a terrible bloodstained history because it is so innately corrupted. Either way it has to be fundamentally transformed. During the last century a portion of the intelligentsia in all developed states has always been eager to condemn its own country, but more likely--and sometimes justifiably--for its current policies rather than its entire history and far more likely a small minority of people and not a large portion of the entire population.
The patriotic trimmings when invoked by those in charge nowadays seem cynical afterthoughts for political advantage rather than sincere sentiments. This is especially true in many classrooms which are shaping the next generation. It is no accident that one of the main textbooks used was written by a genuine Communist. The left-wing fringe rhetoric of the 1960s has now become the new normal.
The main theme is that America has been unfair, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, a bully in the world, an oppressor of its own working class, etc. And of course it stole the land from the original inhabitants.
That country certainly sounds like a disaster. Why did its people even bother to continue such a failed experiment? Clearly it must be fundamentally transformed, no doubt.
And yet the French dont say: How terrible is our country based on a thousand years of feudalismnobility grinding the peasants faces in the mud, the bloody revolution, 25 years of aggressive war by Napoleon, decades of revolution and repression, the collapse of four republics, humiliating defeats in war, collaboration in World War Two, a colonial empire, and imperialist wars in Algeria and Indochina. They dont say we are evil; our system is rotten; our souls deeply corrupted; we need fundamental transformation. Even if you downgrade the extent to which this image of guilt and shame has pervaded American intellectual, cultural, and even political life of late, as one looks around the world it seems as if Americans can say, Were number one when it comes to self-hatred.
While Europeans are aware of their colonialist past, their guilt trip is far more limited. Why is that? On the surface, they have America and Israel to claim as real villainsscapegoats whose condemnation banishes European guilt-- but there is more to it than that.
One thing is that the United States can be said to be, in Marxist terms, a settler colonial society. But Latin American societies are based on far more deliberate and systematic genocide of the original inhabitants. Specific tales can be told of specific, usually small-scale massacres in America or the exile of the Cherokee. But in Spains colonies in the new world, there were deliberate massive killings, includingunlike the United Statesof those who never attacked the Europeans or even fought wars against them.
Similarly, African history is marked by tribal warfare, displacement, and even genocide. While in Asia, the Japanese perpetrated horrors on China, for example, second only to those of Hitler and Stalin in Europe but can barely be made to offer perfunctory formal apologies. While one can find atrocities on the American side in the Philippines around 1900 or in Vietnam theres nothing comparable. And such deeds were never matters of national policy. Oh, there was the internment of Japanese citizens in World War Two.
Regrettable but to be honest understandable at the time.
Indeed, leftists (including those pretending to be liberals) routinely rationalize cultures and societies built on far more repressive, racist, undemocratic behavior which continues down to today. Perhaps that, too, is part of the answer. Criticism of one's own society is encouraged; criticism of others is deemed racist.
Examining Europe more closely, Austria and Italy feel that they were victims, not allies, of Hitlers cause. Russia is not repentant about Communisms mass killings and repression, though of course it has been much discussed. France doesnt consider itself born in sin despite the suppression of other nations within it (whatever became of the Burgundians, the Bretons, the Normans? How about the brutal massacre of the harmless Cathars?) or its colonial behavior. As a result, today a Socialist government doesnt hesitate to send an expeditionary force to bomb rebels in Mali, and unilaterally to boot, without any of the Obama Administration obsession with multilateralism.
The French tend to bury the collaborationist past in World War Two. Belgians dont shed tears over their countrys terrible behavior in the Congo, perhaps the worlds single worst record of bloody colonialism. For Europeans, war and conquest are seen as more normal even if the view is that they have outgrown such things today. Americans often seem to find conflict to be unnatural and in the well-ordered society they wouldnt exist, everyone would be rich and happy. Thus, at least as its being presented today, conflict is a matter of mean, selfish people who just dont have the right ideas.
True, European ruling classes have in some cases lost confidence in their own civilization but they dont gnaw at themselves.
So whats different about America on this point? I am trying out some preliminary ideas.
--America was a democracy and thus evil deeds cannot be put off onto an aristocracy or monarchy that no longer exists.
--Other countries just came into existence and there they were! Some countries were the products of conscious nationalist visions. But the United States arose from a political and philosophical concept: how can one build a country that is a sustainable republic where citizens are treated as equal. Thus, it can be judged on whether it has met that goal.
--Americas success at integrating other groups and freedom has created internal points of criticism. There are large minority groups which arent afraid to speak out and complain about the past. Indeed, members of the majority who do so are amply rewarded.
--Americans have a problem with integrating history into their thinking. The narrative of other countries is accepted and seen as a whole. The United States is much younger than most and has focused so much on change it is hard for most people to see their national rootedness.
--Because it always looked more inward than other countries, focused on prosperity and had a relatively easy geostrategic situation, Americans never even considered world conquest and when the country had the opportunity to do so after 1945 acted with incredible modesty and constraint. Today, that sentence would be mocked but it is nonetheless true. Perhaps there is a parallel to antisemitism in which the failure to behave as other nations have done makes everyone all the more suspicious that one is plotting behind the scenes. --Of course, the above points may be too over-thought and the easier explanation is simply a cynical, deliberate indoctrination to turn Americans against their own country and history. But then one still has to explain why this hasnt happened elsewhere.
It is normal to refuse to endlessly dwell on ones own guilt and shortcomings. People want to feel good about themselves and their country. Rulers usuallyunless they are in the midst of fundamentally transforming the country (ah, theres a clue)dont want to admit the evil-doing of predecessors with whom they feel a strong continuity.
One might say, as noted above, that America conquered the original inhabitants. But if one goes back far enough that can be said of virtually every country. America had slavery but so did other countries, albeit mainly outside their own borders so it was less visible. There are differences but not as large as they might originally appear to be.
The one potential exception is Germany, which is still facing its national socialist past as a factor that does affect its behavior. Yet I dont think Germans believe that this era reflects a fundamental flaw in their national character or which pervades their history. And, again, the United States never had anything equivalent.
Part of the problem is the misunderstandingoften deliberateof American history. Yes, there was slavery but it was repugnant from the very start to many Americans, even including slaveholders among the founders. Not just the Civil War but the political history of the United States from 1820 to 1861 revolved largely around battle over this issue. The correct way to view this history is not that America was guilty of the fundamental sin of slavery but that America had a great struggle over the issue and ultimately resolved it properly because of the strength, powerful concepts of democracy and equality, and conscience built into its system.
Perhaps the internal drive to delegitimize America is precisely because patriotism is a strong force in American life that must be overcome by those who would transform the countrys thinking. Certainly, the United States has taken a lead in international affairs in the last sixty years but frankly it did a pretty good job dealing with very tough situations and no-win alternatives.
In William Shakespeares play, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony gives a brilliant speech which well sums up how those who slander America misrepresent its history:
The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.
And who today seek to be Americas undertakers?
They’re searching for a sense of self-righteousness in their humanist worldview.
Huh? This country is their country. Do you mean the country as it was 200+ years ago, or the government as outlined in the Constitution? That’s long gone.
—Theyre searching for a sense of self-righteousness in their humanist worldview.—
I agree with this 100%. Young people get involved with movements and “causes” b/c they want to feel meaning in their life. There is a void in ones life that can only be filled by Christ. Young people are constantly trying to fill that void with anything, but Christ.
They'll run out of antibiotics before it's had its run through the population.
Most other places on Earth have less resistance than that.
When we're down to 9 million people, maybe we ought to pick a place with a view and low cost maintenance to restart civilization. That's what they did after the Plague of Justinian you know.
Two or three years ago I was at a friends New Years party and struck up a conversation with another neighbor. She was a lawyer for a huge firm here, college paid for by her parents, a comfortable life, money, her husband was a house husband and she, got a little drunk and then unloaded on me how she hated this country, its people, history and how today’s Americans must be forced to suffer for it.
I have need seen or heard a more visceral hatred against anything and that is why I understand the president and liberals and leftist rage and hatred and will not be satisfied until they destroy the country.
Darn, they did that in my youth as well.
Theyre searching for a sense of self-righteousness in their humanist worldview.
Easier answer: They are idiots and chumps, who don't know the difference between their (blank) and a hole in the ground. Better?
The fact is in the 60s and 70s (and really in the 50s but we didn’t find out about that stuff until much later) America went on a tact that was at the very least sneaky and dishonest, and you could make an argument that it was down right evil. And it’s never really recovered, we’re always doing something sleazy to somebody, we keep getting in unpopular ill defined wars, aligning ourselves with seriously bad people, and electing tax and spend liberals. Anybody that doesn’t think that a large portion of our government has a strong evil bent is really not paying attention. Americans are still by and large good people, our government is scum.
Or did I misunderstand the question?
Well if they mean the zer0bama Regime? Well yeah it’s evil incarnate
Because they know each other so well..............
He's not talking about people who hate the government. He's talking about people who hate the country and regard it as having been conceived in sin and that it never should have existed in the first place.
This is a strange state of mind. Even the Communists extolled patriotism towards "the socialist motherland." Why should the United States be considered the most evil country in history, and by its own elites?
college professors and teachers......
It basically boils down to a hatred for the Christian God.
It’s the same thing. People tend to think of countries as monoliths, they don’t separate the people from the government, they don’t separate regions of people, they don’t separate events from the people. They think of it as one thing, England, France, America, all mono-units. So when the government does bad things, as ours so frequently does, people think “America bad”; when they run into people from one of the more “abrupt” regions they think “America rude”; when some tragic event happens in a small town on the East Coast they think “America armed and dangerous”.
It’s a natural byproduct of the way our brain works, it doesn’t like gray areas, it doesn’t like complex concepts, it doesn’t like dealing with large numbers doing disparate things. It likes large, singular, easily defined blocks. And when one section of that block has been borderline evil for their entire lives then it brands the block. In the minds of people that aren’t going out of their way to separate the parts America’s government is America.
Then why don't the liberals hate Armenia and Ethiopia? Why just the USA?
lets go ask Bill Whittle. He has a very good indicator of the wave and flow odf the medias and how outside ideas critical of America found their way into our culture... via the TV. When we developed the technologies, we were a net exporter of american culture. As the rest of the world learned they could communicate, they started having hollywood create movies based on their biases specific to their target markets and sell them to us, the tide switched. Then the marginal idiots bought into the ideas and conspiracy became the big conversation piece for the unknowing, thereby shaking our core beliefs.
It is this which helped propel a alien asshole into our white house.
Go see Bill Whittle, Declaration TV on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGimIHknyYM
You're still not getting it.
It isn't about why Americans don't trust their government. No one should trust his government. I'm scared to death of my government, but I don't hate my country.
Moreover, you're missing the point that the promoters of this hatred of America are the very people who rule it. Most elites and tyrants use patriotism as a justifying ideology; this is probably the first time in history a nation's own native governing class has made use of self-hatred as a justification of its rule.
Of course, if the John Birch Society was right back when I was a member and Communism was secretly run by David Rockefeller and the Old American Establishment, then anti-Americanism would make good camouflage to hide the fact that through Communism America was taking over the world.
No I’m getting it just fine, you’re not understanding what I’m saying. The normal person doesn’t see a difference between the government and the country, it is America, one whole indivisible unit, the government is evil, therefore...
It really is just that simple.
As for the elites promoting it, well think about it. They run a good chunk of the country, they know what their character is, they know what they do, why wouldn’t they think the country they steer towards evil is evil?