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22 Veteran suicides daily! Is this really true? How can WE help THEM?
feb, 6, 2013 | San Rafael Blue

Posted on 02/06/2013 9:16:10 PM PST by San Rafael Blue

Last week, I saw an article online that took my breath away. An average of Twenty Two U.S. Veterans are committing suicide each and every week! Is this true? I'm sorry, I can't refer you directly to that article, but it was not the first time I had heard something like this. I am not even sure the subject was active duty or in-active veterans, now chosing to end their lives.

In spite of my spotty data, you must admit, have you not also heard of the many service people losing hope and leaving this existance 'ahead of schedule'? I wish I knew of some way to help these people. We could pray for them, as I do. We all need to be spiritually 'love-bombed' from time to time. We could probably send money someplace too. That has become the most common default of the sympathetic American People; when in doubt, send money to someone who is in trouble. But what else?

I have'nt much surplus money, but I do have years of job experience working with mentally disabled adults. I know the disability may be temporary, due to a particular trauma, or it permanant, but not always at the same bright flare of intensity. Life can continue to develop and flower, even after a major emotional shake up. I know this personally due to certain life experiences. I now know that one usually has choices in how one choses to react to given situations. I've learned that our sense of peace and morality is often intertwoven with those around us. We have a responsiblity to those who love and depend on us to show respect for the gift of life. With that said, fellow readers, what could the average Jane or Joe do to offer help for those who defend our freedoms?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: collateraldamages; compassion

1 posted on 02/06/2013 9:16:18 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: San Rafael Blue

Get off the phone!


2 posted on 02/06/2013 9:17:46 PM PST by stanne
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To: San Rafael Blue

They have the worst CIC imaginable.


3 posted on 02/06/2013 9:21:43 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Days or weeks?


4 posted on 02/06/2013 9:26:22 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: San Rafael Blue

You already do a lot without even knowing it through your tax dollars. My new wife-to-be is actually a social worker with the VA (yeah, I know, but she’s awesome) and the statistic doesn’t surprise me. However, troubled veterans not only have easy access to help, but some of them are getting babied to an almost insane degree by VA social workers.

Some people can’t be reached no matter how hard you try. Some take advantage of those who try. It’s just the way it goes, unfortunately.


5 posted on 02/06/2013 9:28:11 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: Born to Conserve

DAYS, not weeks. Sorry for the error, typing in these little blue boxes has it’s challenges for we Bi-Focal and Proud of it Tea Partiers.


6 posted on 02/06/2013 9:38:28 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Your response helps me out. I suppose it’s inevitable that some vets will take advantage of benefits offered, to where they are indulged. At least there are some methods being developed to face the problem. Some will remain too proud, but that may change over time, as the stigma or seeking help continues fade.


7 posted on 02/06/2013 9:38:41 PM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: San Rafael Blue

I’ve heard VA people complain that none of the veterans come to them until they’ve gotten in trouble somehow, which is probably indicative of self-reliant people. I’m not a veteran, but I know that I wouldn’t go to some social worker if I was having problems with things and they probably feel the same way.

Lord knows how to solve it, and like many ugly things in life, there may not really be a way to fix it, but there IS a mechanism in place to help troubled veterans for sure.


8 posted on 02/06/2013 9:45:42 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: San Rafael Blue

The rate is still lower than that of the general population. The highest rate is in the over 60 demographic for both vets and non vets and is often a function of illness, sometimes terminal illness.

The media however, wants to portray vets as deranged and dangerous potential killers of themselves and others.


9 posted on 02/06/2013 9:46:52 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: San Rafael Blue

Our military is stretched too thin. Either we need more people to volunteer or we need to scale back our overseas commitments.


10 posted on 02/06/2013 9:49:15 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: BenLurkin

Agreed. Impeaching 0bama will help solve this problem.


11 posted on 02/06/2013 9:51:52 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: San Rafael Blue

The Silver Star Families of America, an organization founded right here on FR is working on this very project. Would you be interested in assisting?


12 posted on 02/06/2013 9:55:53 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

You may very well be correct with veterans.

But what about reserves or active duty?

Do they kill themselves so they don’t have to do another tour? Have we asked too much?

Would they consider a discharge instead of killing themselves?

Lots of questions

Few answers


13 posted on 02/06/2013 10:00:22 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Steve Newton

Ya got me, I don’t know. I just know what I see and I see my wife-to-be doing great things sometimes and being an enabler other times. More often the latter than the former. That was all I was offering.


14 posted on 02/06/2013 10:06:46 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: San Rafael Blue

Having to serve multiple combat tours probably doesn’t help much.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 10:10:11 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: San Rafael Blue

If 22 are dying by suicide every day, that is 8008 per year, a preposterous number. Whomever wrote the article you read must not have done any fact checking.

Just this week, CNN released an article (2/2/13) [Sorry, I cannot provide the URL cite since it did not accompany the article sent to me] stating there were 325 Army “confirmed or potential” suicides in 2012, “a record” number. There were 283 in 2011.

The number of “suicides” is 2012 is 106 more than all US Army deaths (219) and “total military deaths (313) in Afghanistan”.

The numbers I mention above are Army numbers only and do not include other service branches. Even so, I cannot imagine the numbers to increase by much.

Sadly, a single death like this is tragic.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 10:10:11 PM PST by miele man
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To: San Rafael Blue

i don’t know why i’m responding to this. i just get sick of the leftist language. maybe it’s because my family is helping a disabled vet who has no one in his own family helping out.

a conservative wouldn’t even think about asking what “WE” can do. a true conservative and Christian asks what “I” can do when confronted with an authentic need. what are you going to do? look around, there’s plenty of needed (legit) vets to help.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 10:12:11 PM PST by dadfly
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To: San Rafael Blue
This article (Linked here) puts the estimate at a lower figure, though even at 18 per day, it is a staggering number.
18 posted on 02/06/2013 10:15:04 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: miele man

I saw similar numbers, but we need to separate the apples (soldiers) from the oranges (veterans).


19 posted on 02/06/2013 10:17:58 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: miele man

I saw similar numbers, but we need to separate the apples (soldiers) from the oranges (veterans).


20 posted on 02/06/2013 10:22:54 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Michael.SF.

The article and the numbers I quoted were for active duty Army AND Army Guard and Army Reservists who were “not-on-active-duty”. I used the 325 suicide number because this is what the Army said in their news release which CNN reported in their article.

Specifically, the article said “182 active duty suicides were reported (130 confirmed and 52 still under investigation) while 96 National Guard and 47 Army Reserve (total 143)were reported for an Army-wide total of 325.”

Not stated in the article is the obvious fact that many Guard and Reservists who are not currently on active duty did serve in Afghanistan and Iraq and who may be suffering from PTSD or whatever other causes lead to a person suiciding.

I see you point on separating the apples from oranges but the Army is not doing so, so why should you?

Thanks for your reply.


21 posted on 02/06/2013 10:39:59 PM PST by miele man
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To: Valpal1
I didn't want to comment, but yes, young men kill themselves.

Some happen to be veterans. But if you compare the numbers of suicides in general versus those who happen to be vets, THEN we can have a discussion.

And again, suicides are much more likely among white men. Vets or not.

It happens, but I don't see a lot of black females comitting suicide.

22 posted on 02/06/2013 10:40:51 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: San Rafael Blue

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/02/04/us-military-veteran-suicides-rise-one-dies-every-65-minutes/


23 posted on 02/06/2013 10:45:41 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: miele man
You stated: "8008 per year, a preposterous number. Whomever wrote the article you read must not have done any fact checking.

The 8008 number is for total suicides committed by all veterans, you then cite numbers for "active duty" as well as reservists, thus you are mixing apples and oranges.

Before you comment on "fact checking" you should have your facts in order.

24 posted on 02/06/2013 10:47:34 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Also-

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/us/veterans-make-up-shrinking-percentage-of-suicides.html?_r=0


25 posted on 02/06/2013 10:48:11 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Michael.SF.

Look Michael, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you. I simply quoted numbers supplied by the CNN article sent to me on the 2nd of Feb. You apparently are using an article published by Reddit. I quoted accurately and even clarified that further so no, I’m not mixing “apples and oranges”. If you cannot see that the Army is using the same numbers I did (325 suicides in 2012), then perhaps you might need to re-read the Army release or google the CNN article.

I came up with the 8008 number by multiplying the original posters’ comment and question (22 X 364). I don’t know what he read in the article or what was told to him. As far as I know, no one has mentioned the 8008 number other than me and I used it to show the original poster his understanding was incorrect.


26 posted on 02/06/2013 10:58:35 PM PST by miele man
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To: dadfly
a conservative wouldn’t even think about asking what “WE” can do. a true conservative and Christian asks what “I” can do when confronted with an authentic need. what are you going to do? look around, there’s plenty of needed (legit) vets to help.

You brought a smile to my lips for two reasons.

The second was that it reminded me of Paul LePage's motto: If it is to be, it begins with me....

Thanks for posting

27 posted on 02/06/2013 11:00:53 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: San Rafael Blue

Find those twenty two that are committing suicide each week and put them in a mental hospital so they won’t commit suicide next week too! I bet the EMTs are getting tired of reviving them!

(OK, OK, it’s a serious issue. And maybe it is counting attempts or suspected attempts, too. But what happened to good grammar.)


28 posted on 02/06/2013 11:03:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: miele man

What’s with your self-righteous crap? I simply posted two links that support the OP’s post (that had no links/sources). I hadn’t even seen any of your posts. But now having gone back and looked through - I really don’t get your point or purpose in posting on this thread - or your senseless attempts at defending your views.

Reddit? Not sure what that’s about. One link is to FoxNews, the other the NYSlimes.

I also fail to see why you are posting a response to me about “apples and oranges” as I posted nothing even remotely similar or related to that...


29 posted on 02/06/2013 11:04:25 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman

What do you mean, “my self-righteous crap”? I did not reply to you at all, I was replying to MichaelSF. So why don’t you get off your high horse and check your eyes.

If you went back through to check my posts as you say you did, then you obviously overlooked the fact I was replying to the original poster and then to MichaelSF, not you.

I haven’t read the article you posted.


30 posted on 02/06/2013 11:13:03 PM PST by miele man
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To: miele man

I have no idea what happened - but your reply showed up in my “pings”, and had “TheBattman” in the “To:” position. The post then began with “Michael”...

Now - when I go to my pings page, that message no longer appears addressed to me. I have no idea what happened - if it was a FreeRepublic script/server/database issue, or what.

I retract my previous double-barreled response. I am sorry.


31 posted on 02/06/2013 11:24:59 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: onona

God bless, onona.


32 posted on 02/06/2013 11:33:34 PM PST by dadfly
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To: San Rafael Blue

My late husband had PTSD from Korea. He felt so guilty about the deaths he was exposed to and inflicted that he felt he had no right to happiness and did his best to destroy our marriage. All unconscious of course. I am sure this is a lot of what is happening now.


33 posted on 02/06/2013 11:37:01 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: miele man
You have unbelievably missed the points made, as you are comparying "soldiers" to "veterans". All veterans were soldiers (or sailors), but no soldier or sailor is a veteran until they are no longer on active duty. No sense carrying this further, if you fail to grasp that concept.
34 posted on 02/06/2013 11:54:32 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Michael.SF.

One more time. I simply quoted the CNN article. I added nothing beyond what they wrote. I directly quoted them in an effort to correct the original poster’s misconception. You jumped in and said I needed to separate things out. I went back to the article and again quoted the Army’s own numbers for active duty and Reserve/NG suicides as the Army press release separated them and made the distinction between active and formerly active. I’ve added nothing to the article nor did I take anything away. Sadly, the suicide numbers are what they are and there are too,too many of them.

I am a veteran. I am a former soldier. I served in VietNam and during Desert Storm and Shield. I volunteered to go to Afghanistan but now I’m too old. I had battlefield experience they could use and obviously still need. So yes, I think I do have a significant grasp on who is a “soldier” and who is a “veteran” in any sense of the word and certainly by your definition. I suggest it can be argued that a reservist or guardsman who is still on duty (till his enlistment ends) and subject to recall but who is not at this moment in a combat zone is still a soldier and a “veteran” in the sense he’s already completed a tour or more tours as several reserve/NG units have done.

No I haven’t missed any of the points. I grasp all that I need to, much more than you can ever know. You just want to keep splitting hairs and I simply stick by the official numbers given by the DA.


35 posted on 02/07/2013 12:24:27 AM PST by miele man
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To: TheBattman

Apology accepted. Not needed, but then I understand what might’ve happened just as you do.

Am not sure why the acrimony tonight, the issue is a horribly serious one and is one I have to deal with professionally from time to time. I’m not sure the Army truly realizes the scope of the problem yet. The most recent funeral I went to on post was for a really STRAC up and comer W3 who had his S**t together (or so folks thought). He left a wife and 3 small kids. Still no one still knows why. The service on post left me almost cold. Way, way too much PC crap.

Anyway, thanks for your reply. Much appreciated it for both of us.


36 posted on 02/07/2013 12:35:59 AM PST by miele man
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To: Steve Newton

Hi Steve, I’m going to look up info on The Silver Stars of America. Maybe I can participate in some manner, better than the impotent twiddling of one’s thumbs clockwise and counter clockswise as I complain.


37 posted on 02/07/2013 1:10:08 AM PST by San Rafael Blue
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To: San Rafael Blue

When you disconnect someone from the smiles, love and warmth of their family and friends, this happens. These long, repeated tours in harsh environments are making transition back home difficult. A vet always feels different from everyone else. While folks are talking about the next episode of brain drain, military folks are thinking about deep dark things. I did not even serve in a combat zone and I feel very different from non vets.
Unfortunately, the only solution is to re- establish the bonds to loving friends and family. Easier said than done when there is very little common ground. Chris Kyle was on the right track, it will take person to person commitment.


38 posted on 02/07/2013 2:09:42 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: miele man
re: why all the acrimony?

The reason for the acrimony is because people come at these stories from 2 different perspectives.

Of course everyone here is disturbed by suicides of our active duty and Iran/Iraq veterans. But many are also disturbed by the typical lazy libtard reporting that tries to paint veterans as crazy and deranged.

I read a couple of the linked stories, they were not only confusing when discussing the numbers, but there were also gross inaccuracies.

For example, the story that was linked by Michael SF claimed that veterans account for 20% of all suicides but make up only 1% of the population. This claim is garbage as veterans constitute far more than one percent of the population.

If you don't have honest reporting, you can't have an informed electorate, and you can't debate the issues properly.

39 posted on 02/07/2013 2:28:09 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: San Rafael Blue

I read this too, and was overwhelmed. I have an Iraqi War Veteran son with serious survivors guilt.

And the I read that the President had order a cutback on breakfast for troops in Afghanistan. The soldiers were writing home requesting breakfast bars, cereal & the like.

My heart is broken. We are abandoning them in the field.

I’m seeking a name & address where I can send some breakfast (the most important meal of the day by some accts) even if the Prez won’t.


40 posted on 02/07/2013 3:07:58 AM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: San Rafael Blue
How about a big fat pay raise for the warfighters.

They should make at least as much as the dirtbag perverts in Congress.





US Senator
salary $174,000

    

US Navy Seal
salary $54,000


41 posted on 02/07/2013 3:41:25 AM PST by greedo
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I disagree.

It depends also what part of the country. In the mental health area, , especially for PTSD...the VA is woefully lacking, both in services, that includes residential programs for PTSD and out patient services.

I have no idea what Va you are talking about...but there are waiting lists and also once they get seen, some of the staff shortages and lack of program services make follow up difficult.


42 posted on 02/07/2013 4:53:14 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not enough beds, not enough residential programs.


43 posted on 02/07/2013 4:56:08 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: grame

Thank you for your son’s and your service to our country.

I get angry when I read comments on Freepr how the VA is ‘babying” vets. We need an administration that puts its money where its mouth is.And a country that demands the BEST care. Waiting lists for residential programs, staff shortages at the Va are outrageous.

Its easy to say “oh, they won’t come or comply with treatment.” That’s blaming the victim. Lets look at the services we do offer vets: are they the best? are they adequate?


44 posted on 02/07/2013 5:00:50 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: San Rafael Blue

While it is tragic for any life to be lost senselessly, I’d be interested in knowing exactly how this statistic stands up to the same numbers from the general population. Is it higher or lower? I suspect the two are comparable, and we are being manipulated into thinking veterans are somehow more ‘unstable’ than the average Joe.


45 posted on 02/07/2013 6:46:01 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The first psychiatrist they sent him to fell asleep while he was trying to explain his pain.

Exactly how do you comply with that. And do you want to go back the second time & have to start over like it was the first time again! And the second appt isn’t for 3-6 wks. What are you supposed to do in between.

I just want to shout, WHO’s IN CHARGE HERE? Really no one. Sad, sad, sad.

I’m guessing we can expect much the same for the general population in the future.

My dad thought my future husband was a hippie, long hair, bell bottoms, guitar player in band and we’d never stay married. It will soon be 44 yrs, 4 children & 10 G’children. I think he was just a hippie wanna be!


46 posted on 02/07/2013 7:28:38 AM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: San Rafael Blue

OUTSTANDING


47 posted on 02/07/2013 8:48:55 AM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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