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Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point
Human Events ^ | 2/6/2013 09:30 PM | By: David Harsanyi

Posted on 02/07/2013 6:50:50 AM PST by Perdogg

Let’s put ideology aside for a moment.

Karl Rove, architect of the George W. Bush-era Republican victories, says he’s sick of fanatics running his party into the ground. So he’s devised a strategy to preemptively sink unelectable candidates early in the process. He’s formed a new super PAC to implement this strategy. It’s called the Conservative Victory Project, and it’s led by a guy named Steven Law, who was the head of another super PAC, called American Crossroads, which went something like 0-7 in the 2012 election cycle. (Not that anyone’s counting.)

Grass-roots conservatives, needless to say, are quite perturbed. “I’m filing the paperwork to form a super PAC to support freedom-loving conservative alternatives to (Karl Rove) on FOX,” tweeted former Rep. Joe Walsh. Surely, he won’t be the last to counter Rove’s efforts

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1 posted on 02/07/2013 6:50:52 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: sickoflibs

Not an endorsement, but food for thought


2 posted on 02/07/2013 6:52:06 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Perdogg
Let’s put ideology aside for a moment.

Ok. He's ugly too.

3 posted on 02/07/2013 6:52:33 AM PST by DManA
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To: Perdogg

I left the R’s when they controlled the two branches and still spent like drunken sailors. It seems with every news article I read about the party’s vision, I feel more vindicated.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 6:53:09 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Perdogg
Let’s put ideology aside for a moment.

That's exactly the problem with Rove & Co.

5 posted on 02/07/2013 6:53:44 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Perdogg

Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point...yeah, on his head.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 6:55:14 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Perdogg

Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point

Yeah, check the top of his head!


7 posted on 02/07/2013 6:56:32 AM PST by JayAr36 (A compromise between good and evil ALWAYS BENEFITS EVIL)
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To: Perdogg

“Human Events” is a RINO/GOP-e SUCK A$$ RAG!


8 posted on 02/07/2013 6:57:08 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: cuban leaf

Well good for you. Thank goodness Reagan didn’t “leave the R’s” and instead BECAME the R’s - but good for you that you “left the R’s.”

By the way, does this make you immune “to the D’s.”

didn’t think so. Hows that workin for ya.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 6:57:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Perdogg

I believe in the Constitution as it was written by our Founding Fathers.

I am a Christian who believes Our Nation was founded by Christian men who warned future generations that failure to abide by Christian teachings would be our downfall.

If that makes me a fanatic, so be it.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 6:57:36 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

“Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point...yeah, on his head.”

Haha “Pointy-headed intellectuals who couldn’t park a bicycle straight” - George Wallace


11 posted on 02/07/2013 6:57:44 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Perdogg

“Let’s put ideology aside for a moment”, couldn’t EVEN get it right from the first sentence.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 6:58:21 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Perdogg
he’s sick of fanatics running his party into the ground

I'm sick of socialists, progressives and liberals destroying the country and the constitution.
I am sick of women killing their babies at the altar of 'Choice'
I am sick of RINOs who are little different from the socialists, progressives and liberals destroying the country

We need strong conservatives to take back our party and the country.

13 posted on 02/07/2013 6:59:06 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

I’m proudly becoming more extreme by the day.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 6:59:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg
,,,says he’s sick of fanatics running his party into the ground.

To see one look in a mirror Karl.

15 posted on 02/07/2013 7:01:12 AM PST by TYVets
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To: Perdogg
There is a point in there.

We, as conservatives, have let ideology cloud our judgement a bit here and there.

Don't get me wrong, we need rock solid true conservatives, but we do also need to make sure they are not amateur gynecologists or part time witches.

The author's point is solid. However, Rove's solution of looking for media savvy ideologically milquetoast pretty boys is capitulation.

16 posted on 02/07/2013 7:01:19 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Perdogg
The writer conveniently leaves out the role of the media in the GOP's difficulties.

All the media has to do is omit or take a word or two out of context, or ignore context, and presto - the 'wacko' narrative.

No, if the GOP wishes to begin win more elections they're going to have to fight, persuade, lead. There is no substitute.

17 posted on 02/07/2013 7:01:19 AM PST by skeeter
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To: FatherofFive
he’s sick of fanatics running his party into the ground

I think Rove needs to stop playing the Kapo and start demanding some moderation from the democrats who are happily goose stepping to full on fascism.
18 posted on 02/07/2013 7:01:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg
Karl Rove, architect of the George W. Bush-era Republican victories,

BFD. He turned what should have been two run away wins into an extra inning affair and a late inning come back.
And thanks to the "New Tone" crap helped usher in what will be at least an eight year march to the destruction of this Republic.

19 posted on 02/07/2013 7:02:08 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg
I have three words....Senator Tammy Baldwin.

Rove put his stamp of approval on the doddering Tommy Thompson, helping him defeat Eric Hovde in the primary. Hovde would have made mincemeat of Baldwin, but he was determined to be "too risky and unproven".

20 posted on 02/07/2013 7:02:17 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (If bad plastic surgeons were banned, then Bob Costas' normal face would still be alive.)
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To: Perdogg

I have mixed feelings about this. On the on e hand, I am a Conservative and want to see true conservatives in the Senate. On the other hand, it is important that the candidate nominated can beat the Democrat. In the last 2 election cycles, the Republicans threw away winnable Senate seats, notably Harry Reid’s seat in Nevada in 2010 as well as the Maryland seat that same year. In 2012, they lost seats they should have won in Indiana and Missouri. I probably have missed a few, but because of fielding unelectable candidates, they most likely forfeited the Senate Majority to Harry Reid and his gang. They have a real possibility of winning the Majority in 2014, but if they don’t have strong candidates we will get more of the same.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 7:03:15 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Perdogg

Bottom line. When someone like Rove brings up Akin, McDonnell and Angle, but ignores the stories behind Crist/Rubio and Cruz/Dewhurst, etc.

There is no guarantee with any one candidate, and pointing out one or two losses while ignoring a historic wave election is dishonest and disingenuous. 2010 was the biggest year on record for our party, and lot were underdogs in the primaries. I, for one, and thrilled with that class of freshman, as we had more true conservatives, more business people, and more ‘real people’ elected than any other year in my lifetime.

The DC idiots will signal out a loss in NV as proof that the base can’t select a candidate, but they ignore that we lost easy pickups in CO that year, and a slew of easy Senate pickups in 2012 from ‘safe’ candidates.


22 posted on 02/07/2013 7:03:27 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Yep, I found Karl Rove's "Point"

23 posted on 02/07/2013 7:04:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

No. It makes you right.


24 posted on 02/07/2013 7:05:11 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Perdogg

Impeach Rove (so to speak). Get him off the air now.

Now.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 7:05:30 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Mygirlsmom

Good point. Reading this article one might think Rove & Co have a perfect record on selecting candidates.


26 posted on 02/07/2013 7:05:36 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Perdogg

Well you have to admit, we’d be much better off if Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle, Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock hadn’t been nominated. They all took lead pipe cinches for the R’s, and gave them to the D’s.

And yes, the people they beat for the nominations weren’t as conservative. However, if you want to be a purist, then don’t complain when your party is perpetually in the minority.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 7:06:35 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Sorry not going along with your bashing of Christine O’Donnell.

Not at all.


28 posted on 02/07/2013 7:07:35 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Perdogg

“Not an endorsement, but food for thought”

That won’t be well received here! But I agree, it is something to consider. The Democrats have the luxury of not worrying about their candidates because their “brand” is so strong right now.

It’s a fact for either party, the candidates farther to each extreme do well in primaries, and not as well in the general elections. As distasteful as it may be, it’s all about winning elections.

Liberals beat us by playing the long game. The playbook is open and easy to read. We can implement that playbook, or we can whine and cry as our elected officials become more and more leftist.


29 posted on 02/07/2013 7:08:04 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

The whole Rove strategy is to slow the surrender to the Democrats at every opportunity. The Rove strategy isn’t to reduce taxes. The strategy is to reduce the amount of tax increases by Democrats. He doesn’t want to increase freedom. He wants to slow the loss of our freedoms.

That’s how we ended up with 53% of the budget going to entitlements. Rove would claim victory because it wasn’t 60%....yet.


30 posted on 02/07/2013 7:10:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well good for you. Thank goodness Reagan didn’t “leave the R’s” and instead BECAME the R’s - but good for you that you “left the R’s.”

By the way, does this make you immune “to the D’s.”

didn’t think so. Hows that workin for ya.


If you are familiar with the sirenity prayer, you will understand my position on this. I expend my efforts where they will actually matter. And in the world as it sits today, there is no human solution. No political party will solve this thing.

What AM I doing? In October of 2008 I bought a small farm occupying an entier finger of a plateau. In 2011 I moved there from my 45 year home of Seattle. My only serious investments are precious metals, meat and vegetables grwon on the property, guns and ammo for hunting (and other uses), solar and wind power and useful buildings on my property so that my progeny, when (not if) ths SHTF can live - assuming they can get here.

This is about the whole world, not just the US. And no politician with a plan that will actually solve this can possibly be elected. It will probably take God’s overt involvement. Yeah, I’m expecting Ezekiel 38,39, Daniel, Revelation, Matthew 24, etc. to come down on us very soon.

But then, I have not had TV since 1997. I have a different perspective than many. On a side note, if I still lived in Seattle the November election would have been hard to take. Now, it just reinforces that I did the right thing.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 7:11:24 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Perdogg

Karl Rove picker more losers and drove opportunity into the ground and wasted more money than ANY conservative candidate he can mention.

In fact, he is directly responsible for the loss in the Missouri Senate Race.

He led the piling on by republicans, something that democrats NEVER would have done.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 7:11:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: brownsfan
The Democrats have the luxury of not worrying about their candidates because their “brand” is so strong right now.

Their brand is strong because they bother to sell it.

33 posted on 02/07/2013 7:11:54 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Perdogg

Did I miss the joke?

Does this author actually think electing RINO’s is progress?


34 posted on 02/07/2013 7:12:06 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: bigdaddy45
then don’t complain when your party

I don't have a party.

35 posted on 02/07/2013 7:12:37 AM PST by DManA
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To: Perdogg
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36 posted on 02/07/2013 7:13:35 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Well said.

Although the Tea Party was very grassroots born of justified frustration, it and the “big tent” recruitment push by the GOP has some responsibility in a number of un-electable candidates muddying the Primary water.

What most of us conservatives fail to see is that the elected GOPers spent like drunken sailors because that is what their constituent majority wanted. The overage came from everyone thinking “their pet project” was essential and sacred and it was the other guys that were pissin the money away.

Our disheveled political situation has lots of finger pointing. An old saying is appropriate, “when point a finger, we fail to recognize that a greater number of our fingers are pointing right back at us”.

37 posted on 02/07/2013 7:13:59 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Perdogg

"Let’s put ideology aside for a moment."

Let's try that statement in various scenarios, and see how they'd play out... Nah, I don't see this as a worthwhile point to argue from...
38 posted on 02/07/2013 7:15:16 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Perdogg

” . . . winning elections seems to be a crucial part of politics.”

and

” . . . institutionalize William F. Buckley’s rule: Support the most conservative candidate who is electable.”

Good article.


39 posted on 02/07/2013 7:15:33 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: skeeter
All the media has to do is omit or take a word or two out of context, or ignore context, and presto - the 'wacko' narrative.

No kidding. The media shouted it from the rooftops that "Rick Santorum says he doesn't care about unemployment" when what he clearly meant was that unemployment was a result of a failed government policies and those have to be dealt with first.

In fact, in the Santorum case and many others, its not even a context issue. The media just knows that many people will knowingly lie to themselves and the media happily provides them with a line of thought. Its an ethical issue that goes right down to the people themselves.

A politician from 30 years ago could never make the cut today because of a manipulative media and willing public. Here in Michigan the democrats went ballistic when Pete Hoekstra said that the 17th amendment had been a disaster. The local media said he doesn't want people to vote but they didn't offer up any info on what the 17th amendment actually did.
40 posted on 02/07/2013 7:16:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: skeeter

“Their brand is strong because they bother to sell it.”

Can’t argue that. It’s been said here before, the nature of conservatives is individualistic where the nature of liberals is collectivist. The collectivist mindset leads to a strong party, and more of a lock step following.

It’s against a conservative’s nature to sell the party. But, as we’re seeing, to not sell the party is to not be elected.


41 posted on 02/07/2013 7:17:09 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: xzins
Sorry, Akin lost this race all by himself. His arrogance and stupidity is what brought him down. He lost by double digits to a radical leftist in a conservative state that Romney won handily. I repeat: He lost it all by himself. Palin, Michelle Malkin, Levin and Rush (those dwatted RINO GOPEers!) all asked him to stand down as there were two other conservatives (every bit as conservative as Akin, just not as stupid and arrogant) who could have stepped in and easily won that race.

Fwiw, democrats stopped standing by Toricelli, Spitzer, and Weiner when it was obvious they couldn't win for their stupidity.........don't kid yourself, they like to win.......

42 posted on 02/07/2013 7:18:20 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: ilgipper

Rove gave money to Mark Rubio’s campaign in 2009.


43 posted on 02/07/2013 7:18:35 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: ilgipper

Your post has it right.

Rove has no record to stand on. He’s just doubling-down on stupid. This last election was his ticket, and anyone can see how that worked out.

The GOPe is also the architect of all of the GOPs “open” primaries. That should already be getting Rove all of his “electable” candidates. How is that working?


44 posted on 02/07/2013 7:19:06 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: ilgipper

Cruz and Rubio are intelligent, articulate, capable candidates. It’s a stretch to suggest they were comparable to Akin, McDonnell, and Angle.


45 posted on 02/07/2013 7:19:46 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Perdogg
Karl Rove has a point, but it is on his head.

The LOSERS in the establishment GOP pushed the LOSER Romney on the GOP primary voters, when 70% of the primary voters wanted someone more conservative. (Remember: Romney was the LOSER who lost to the LOSER John McCain who lost to Obama)

But “frontrunner” Romney was who the LOSER Rove wanted.

This was because Romney had what voters crave- he had electability! Despite never getting more than 30% in the, um... primary elections,... among GOP voters themselves...

So... the GOP lost (surprise!) and the LOSERS who lost it, to the worst pResident in history, want to form a PAC to ... do what exactly? Push candidates with more ‘electability’ again?

46 posted on 02/07/2013 7:21:05 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: cuban leaf

I applaud your off the grid moves, and we are in early stages of some similar strategies.

Having said that, when you post little drive thru comments on a purely political issue, like this one, you are begging for improper context. You and I share similar beliefs about spiritual things and similar strategy about personal things, but I guess I have a little more feel for what a secular political message board is about....

In other words, the fact that “no political party will solve this thing” is not a license to be ignorant of which one will destroy it the quickest.


47 posted on 02/07/2013 7:21:11 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: bigdaddy45
Well you have to admit, we’d be much better off if Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle, Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock hadn’t been nominated. They all took lead pipe cinches for the R’s, and gave them to the D’s.

OK, now how about all the GOP-E candidates in 2012 that lost? Including Romney. That knife cuts both ways.

48 posted on 02/07/2013 7:21:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Right on, bro.

All of the thoughts, reasoning and views presented in our Declaration of Independence and Constitution had their origin in the Bible - every one of them. They came from nowhere else. All our founders had a thoroughly Christian world-view, and they sought to maintain and promote that as much as possible.

Part of that view is allowing all freedom of religion - so the Muslims get their right to practice their religion from Christianity - but they do not reciprocate that view as their religion says kill all unbelievers. There could not be a greater contrast.

The Marxists, quite according to a patient and well-executed plan, have used our own system to take control of our system and destroy it. Which it thoroughly allows - when godly men cease to do their duty to maintain their values.

We have, collectively as Christians, given our country to the devil. By our non-action, and failing to continue to be “salt” to the unbelieving world.......


49 posted on 02/07/2013 7:23:00 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: X-spurt

Here’s an irony for you. A lot of frustrated conservatives complain, and rightly so, about the establishment “forcing candidates down our throats” - and yet, many of them turn around and try to “force the Todd Akins” down my throat.

I didn’t particularly like Angle, O Donnell or Akin, and Mourdock was a decent guy who had a retarded moment. Yet I pulled for all of them on election night. I still know Bruner would have beaten McCaskill, I think Tarkanian would have beaten Reid, and O Donnell was worth the shot because Castle is just horrible.

Every situation is different. Rove is almost always wrong, but not always. The Tea Party is almost always right, but not always right. Nothing wrong with using our brains from time to time.


50 posted on 02/07/2013 7:26:05 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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