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They Are Getting Ready: "No Obvious Reason" For Why China Is Massively Boosting Stockpiles
SHTF ^ | January 9, 2013 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 02/07/2013 8:07:42 AM PST by Fennie

United Nations agricultural experts are reporting confusion, after figures show that China imported 2.6 million tons of rice in 2012, substantially more than a four-fold increase over the 575,000 tons imported in 2011.

The confusion stems from the fact that there is no obvious reason for vastly increased imports, since there has been no rice shortage in China. The speculation is that Chinese importers are taking advantage of low international prices, but all that means is that China's own vast supplies of domestically grown rice are being stockpiled.

Why would China suddenly be stockpiling millions of tons of rice for no apparent reason?

Perhaps it's related to China's aggressive military buildup and war preparations in the Pacific and in central Asia.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; india; israel; japan; military; obama; rice; ricericebabytogo; waronterror

1 posted on 02/07/2013 8:07:48 AM PST by Fennie
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To: Fennie

If you were going to war with Japan and might either be embargoed or have your freighters sunk, you’d get ready.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 8:11:01 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Fennie

Let’s watch American Idol and post pictures of our plush toy collection on Facebook!


3 posted on 02/07/2013 8:12:25 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Fennie

Maybe spending your dollars before they become worthless or are replaced 1000 to 1 with the “new dollar”?


4 posted on 02/07/2013 8:12:43 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: ASOC
Bingo! (or perhaps Monopoly! might be more appropriate)

5 posted on 02/07/2013 8:16:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gen.Blather
On the other hand, I wonder if this does not make Vladimir Putin just a wee bit nervous.

The Chinese have never been famous at sea, but they historically do very well on land.

"Golden Horde" anyone?

6 posted on 02/07/2013 8:17:54 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Chinese Army MREs (Meals ready to Eat), rice and dried fish.

No need for expensive and bulky MREs. A pound of rice can go a long way. More room for ammo.


7 posted on 02/07/2013 8:22:46 AM PST by USAF80
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To: ASOC

Stockpiling gold and rice. If TSHTF I would rather have the rice.


8 posted on 02/07/2013 8:24:45 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

IIRC the Chinese went to a lot of trouble to keep the Golden Horde out - but I take your point.


9 posted on 02/07/2013 8:26:37 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Where may the greatest supply or relatively accessible natural gas and petroleum be found? Eastern Siberia and Kazakhstan, both of which are a relatively short march from China’s own borders.

Of course, if we see a great deal of activity moving various heavy transport to these points, it would be pretty indicative of something.

Maybe the Chinese want to be Santa Claus and bring some cheer to the children in these provinces.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 8:29:09 AM PST by alloysteel (If conspiracy does not exist everywhere, it exists nowhere.)
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To: Fennie

How long can you stockpile rice?


11 posted on 02/07/2013 8:33:19 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Fennie

I think China is preparing for the day when they bring out a gold-backed Renmimbi.

Things will get sketchy in the US for several months after that happens (riots, price controls, misallocation of Government force etc) and food exports will suffer. The Chinese want to be able to weather volatile food prices when that happens.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 8:33:57 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

9 years for white rice, 6 months for brown rice (unless you freeze it).


13 posted on 02/07/2013 8:36:06 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: alloysteel
As well as gold, timber, diamonds and most of all a lot of room to live in.

Vladimir Putin may think he and the Chinese are buddies, but he could be in for the surprise of a lifetime.

Interesting that he worries about his western borders like the Germans will come streaming in, but is not paying much attention to the eastern side of the Urals.

14 posted on 02/07/2013 8:36:35 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

We’re at close to 15 years for some white rice packed in buckets; wife is Asian and says it’s fine — uses it frequently. I do believe there has to be some nutritional degradation by now but it would be minor and unimportant.


15 posted on 02/07/2013 8:40:35 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Fennie

One of the dumbest things done by the Free Trader Communists was to let Communist China become the big agricultural supplier to the world ....even though Com China has 6% arable land and its main crop area is subject to natural disasters. Com China is preparing in case their crops are destroyed. The rest of the world will starve but not the Chi Coms


16 posted on 02/07/2013 8:42:48 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Fennie

That’s about 4 or 5 pounds of rice per person.

If they’re planning to feed only their One Percent, then they don’t need to invade anything.

How about corrupt Chinese rice speculators?


17 posted on 02/07/2013 8:44:36 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Vlad would nuke them.


18 posted on 02/07/2013 8:45:09 AM PST by OKSooner ("Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!!")
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To: Fennie
"The Russians have scheduled 5,000 underground bunkers for completion this year.

In the mean time, our government has been stocking up on ammo while trying to take ours, beefing up surveillance on us while opening the borders to foreign invaders and suing states that try to enforce border law and prosecute them and writing policy "law" that says it's okay for obama to drone strike Americans if he feels like it while the one stream media gurgles and coos obama's name.

I don't know how long the big event we're heading for will last or what the world will look like on the other side of it, but the slow motion deception mosey we're walking to get to there is fascinating and quite unnerving.

19 posted on 02/07/2013 8:45:40 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Fennie

Meanwhile we are keeping our carriers home so we can issue Obama phones.


20 posted on 02/07/2013 8:47:34 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“On the other hand, I wonder if this does not make Vladimir Putin just a wee bit nervous.
The Chinese have never been famous at sea, but they historically do very well on land.”

Russia has nukes and there’s no doubt Vlad would use them. Theoretically, Japan does not and if they did they most likely would not use them. The US will not get involved despite our treaties. We’ve practically stood down the Navy too. We have given China a once in a century window of opportunity.


21 posted on 02/07/2013 8:51:31 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Interesting that he worries about his western borders like the Germans will come streaming in, but is not paying much attention to the eastern side of the Urals.

Somebody coming at Moscow from the Siberian side will have a long trip, and a long logistics train. Then again, the same can be said about the Russian army trying to fight a Chinese invasion of Siberia. But I doubt they are going to invade Russian territory any time soon, not with Putin in charge there.

More likely candidates: grabbing Taiwan, conflict with Japan, and, lastly, doing something with Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan has lots of oil and mineral wealth, a small population (16M or so), is ethnically divided, and it's unlikely that anybody outside the Muslim world will ride to their defense.

22 posted on 02/07/2013 8:59:21 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Fennie

Meanwhile, our gov’t is stockpiling .40 cal ammunition to
be used domestically. Who’s up to no good?


23 posted on 02/07/2013 9:09:19 AM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: Fennie

Unless oil is also being stockpiled, this activity is probably related to China’s peculiar financial system, which is rife with crony lending and lacks avenues for savings in the form of reliable financial instruments in the hands of trustworthy intermediaries. And since the well-connected can obtain foreign exchange and loans to import and stockpile industrial metals and foodstuffs, these become a form of savings that can be converted into ready cash and other useful assets. We may tentatively conclude that a relative increase in this form of savings in part expresses a negative view as to the Chinese business environment.


24 posted on 02/07/2013 9:22:13 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Fennie

They’ve hired this guy named Joseph who tells them that their warehouses had better be full because although they are having seven years of good fortune, these will be followed by seven years of hard times.


25 posted on 02/07/2013 9:37:19 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Williams
Meanwhile we are keeping our carriers home so we can issue Obama phones.

Well hell yeah, kinda hard to instigate flash riots if they can't communicate by obamaphones.
26 posted on 02/07/2013 9:42:13 AM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: PapaBear3625

You’re greatly underestimating the Borat factor.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 9:46:08 AM PST by newbie 10-21-00
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To: SeminoleCounty
Why would the rest of the world starve? Is China the only country in the world that grows food? If that were true, where are they importing all this rice from? The Moon?

China is the second-largest destination for American food exports (behind Canada). I guess they must be setting fire to all that food: they obviously don't need it.

What is a "Free Trade Communist"? Do you understand what Free Trade means?

Free Trade is the antithesis of Communism. Free Trade is a conservative ideal - it is quite simply Freedom of Association applied to economics. It means that Government does not get to tell citizens whom they may trade with.

In Communist countries - e.g. the former USSR - the poor old Soviets were on starvation rations for 70 years because they refused Free Trade. They imposed Government controls on food prices rather than letting market forces work.

28 posted on 02/07/2013 9:51:58 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Oh look....there is something sparkly and moving over there! And there are people that are acting like court jesters over there....

How many people in this country are awake?


29 posted on 02/07/2013 10:09:58 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: agere_contra

The largest US export to China is and has been for a while scrap metal. Kinda mirrors Pre WW2 japan.

Dangerous that we currently we allow for china to produce most of the world’s rare earth minerals while we don’t dare mine our own.

Under Clinton and Bush administrations we allowed the transfer of magnetic technology to guide precision missiles
is also disgusting.

By the way free trade ain’t conservative or free market when you apply the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are incurred with these treaties.

The argument is hardly made out of the Orwellian title Free and Trade.

I know I’ll be called an idiot and naive and historically challenged. yadda yadda. go ahead.

Perceptions won’t change reality.


30 posted on 02/07/2013 10:20:55 AM PST by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: Fennie

WWIII.


31 posted on 02/07/2013 10:43:31 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: GBA

The global community organizer is giving his US military plan for WWIII. Conquer Isreal by putting power, money and arms in the hands of Muslim terrorists and invade and conquer the US.


32 posted on 02/07/2013 10:51:33 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: PapaBear3625
I don't know. If I'm the Chinese, invading Japan and Taiwan gets me water and some crummy land mass, plus a hard to defend/supply sea born army.

Siberia all of the way to the Urals let's them move troops by foot if they have to and if they control Siberia all the way from the Urals China, they have plenty of resources and a defensable land mass worth the fight.

As to Vladimir using nukes.....maybe when the Chinese get within 50 miles of Moscow. I don't think he is as smart or tough as he likes to make out. Stalin would not have batted an eye.

33 posted on 02/07/2013 11:56:05 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: agere_contra
Do you understand what Free Trade means?

Uh, Is that where one buys crap products, from a bellicose, communist enemy that produces said products with slave labor, with stolen technology and all the while selling out their own country to make a fast buck? That free trade? Yes, I know what that means.

34 posted on 02/07/2013 12:34:41 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Gen.Blather
Russia has nukes and there’s no doubt Vlad would use them.

I doubt any major nuclear power will use nukes against another major nuclear power, unless it can be 100% confident that its first strike will wipe out its adversary's ability to retaliate with nukes. Any such war will end up being a bloody conventional war. Ultimately, the war won't go nuclear because each country's population is being held hostage.

35 posted on 02/07/2013 4:08:53 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Colorado Doug
Uh, Is that where one buys crap products, from a bellicose, communist enemy that produces said products with slave labor, with stolen technology and all the while selling out their own country to make a fast buck? That free trade? Yes, I know what that means.

I think that's a tad overstated. If they were using slave labor, China's economy would resemble North Korea's. As to stolen technology, that has been the growth path of the economies of East Asia, including relatively wealthy economies like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. Heck, ripping off other people's inventions has been how underdogs caught up since the dawn of time. Re-inventing the wheel in pointless and wasteful. And this stuff about selling out their own people is just silly. How is an economy that started out 1979, before economic liberalization started, with 5% of Mexico's GDP per capita and has attained 50% of Mexico's GDP per capita in the past couple of years, be said to have been the result of "selling out"? In 1979, China had 80% of India's GDP per capita, compare to 4x India's number today. Ultimately, a lot of your conclusions are the result of bad data.

36 posted on 02/07/2013 4:18:00 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Colorado Doug

Historical data on GDP per capita:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_future_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita


37 posted on 02/07/2013 4:24:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“I doubt any major nuclear power will use nukes against another major nuclear power, unless it can be 100% confident that its first strike will wipe out its adversary’s ability to retaliate with nukes. Any such war will end up being a bloody conventional war. Ultimately, the war won’t go nuclear because each country’s population is being held hostage.”

The cold war plan was always to use tactical nukes against the aggressor forces. Also, throughout history the pre-war logical statements turned out to be false. Before World War 1 it was widely said that nobody could go to war as the nations were now too interconnected and a war would be too costly. Nobody would use gas as it was too horrible. Nobody would use machineguns as they were too terrible to contemplate. If Lee had had nukes would he not have used them to protect Virginia? I bet he would. War is, by definition, all about killing. A leader will do anything to win as that’s (theoretically) his job. I wrote “theoretically” as we have now moved into a politically correct era where killing your enemy is wrong and therefore surrender is the only option.


38 posted on 02/07/2013 4:35:45 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Zhang Fei
Uh, Is that where one buys crap products, from a bellicose, communist enemy that produces said products with slave labor, with stolen technology and all the while selling out their own country to make a fast buck? That free trade? Yes, I know what that means.

I think that's a tad overstated. If they were using slave labor, China's economy would resemble North Korea's. As to stolen technology, that has been the growth path of the economies of East Asia, including relatively wealthy economies like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. Heck, ripping off other people's inventions has been how underdogs caught up since the dawn of time. Re-inventing the wheel in pointless and wasteful. And this stuff about selling out their own people is just silly. How is an economy that started out 1979, before economic liberalization started, with 5% of Mexico's GDP per capita and has attained 50% of Mexico's GDP per capita in the past couple of years, be said to have been the result of "selling out"? In 1979, China had 80% of India's GDP per capita, compare to 4x India's number today. Ultimately, a lot of your conclusions are the result of bad data.

What do you call it when people live in barracks at the factory and make next to nothing? Perhaps not technically slave labor but not far from it.
Interesting how you defend theft and espionage. Not true either. Companies like Sony and Mitsubishi are leaders in their fields with active and very effective R&D departments. Reinventing the wheel is not what I'm talking about. It's more like stealing other people's wheels.
You misunderstood about the selling out part. China is not the sellout. At least looking out for their own interests which is far more than I can say for our government and our "Free Traders" They are the ones who are selling out their own people for a quick profit.

39 posted on 02/07/2013 4:53:28 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Gen.Blather

Agreed. However, it could also be because they foresee the coming inflation storm.

1. Inflation begins modestly.
2. People realize their savings are being eroded.
3. People buy PMs and take possession. Countries begin to buy/sell commodities using PMs instead of dollars.
4. PM prices go ballistic as no holder wants to sell and the secret is out, “there is far more paper PM than physical”.
5. People, corporations, and countries buy anything that will hold value. Capital goods, food, RE, metals, vehicles. At this point the economy looks great! Unemployment down, GDP up, Happy Days Are Here Again!
6. SERIOUS inflation commences as all the fiat savings is spent and velocity goes ballistic.
7. The world economy crashes as governments and borrowers default. At this point, inflation in food and fuel has impoverished the masses.
8. Severe civil unrest as the entitled and those on fixed incomes become much more poor.
9. War? Revolution(s)? Dogs and cats living together? Real Old Testament Stuff?

Just like the book, “This Time Its Different”. Debt and debasement of currencies always end the same way.

My Jedi foresight fails me at that point, but it bodes ill.


40 posted on 02/07/2013 4:54:09 PM PST by darth
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Fennie.
China imported 2.6 million tons of rice in 2012, substantially more than a four-fold increase over the 575,000 tons imported in 2011. The confusion stems from the fact that there is no obvious reason for vastly increased imports, since there has been no rice shortage in China. The speculation is that Chinese importers are taking advantage of low international prices, but all that means is that China's own vast supplies of domestically grown rice are being stockpiled.
The USSR pulled this during the detente period -- they bought wheat under the terms of the agreement, but also locked up wheat that hadn't been harvested yet, resulting in a big profit for themselves and higher prices for wheat.


41 posted on 02/11/2013 6:44:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Colorado Doug

Enthused “bump” to that.


42 posted on 02/11/2013 6:53:26 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: heartwood

The Chinese ‘volunteers’ who invaded Korea during the Korean War were each sent with 10 pounds of uncooked rice; they were expected to scavenge the rice leftover in the packs of their own dead.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 6:56:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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