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Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop
L.A. Times ^ | 02/07/2013 | Andrew Blankstein

Posted on 02/07/2013 11:46:30 PM PST by Drago

Two women who were shot by Los Angeles police in Torrance early Thursday during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer were delivering newspapers, sources said.

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated. It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; christopherdorner; copbashersonfr; donutwatch; dorner; jbt; lapd; leftwingmurderer; misidentification; oops; partisanmediashills; police
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1 posted on 02/07/2013 11:46:37 PM PST by Drago
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To: Drago

maybe we need to disarm cops


2 posted on 02/07/2013 11:51:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Good thing they didn’t have any dogs with them.


3 posted on 02/07/2013 11:54:09 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: VanShuyten

And the second shooting was a case of mistaken identity.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 11:57:02 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: GeronL

This is the kind of stuff that will encourage people to side with Manifesto Man.

(Hmmm, maybe that was his idea.)


5 posted on 02/07/2013 11:57:42 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: VanShuyten
And the second shooting was a case of mistaken identity.

And this one wasn't?

6 posted on 02/07/2013 11:59:36 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Ezekiel

I’m amazed at how the cops are so eager to go after a cop killer, but are afraid too go after gang bangers.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 12:02:39 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Drago

The truck had dozens of bullet holes in it. I don’t know how these ladies weren’t killed.

I wish I was their lawyer. These ladies are never going to have to deliver papers again.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 12:02:45 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

these cops should be brought up on charges.
This kind of shooting gives Dorner some credence. Good job losers.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 12:09:29 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: Oztrich Boy
A second shooting, involving Torrance police officers, occurred about 5:45 a.m. at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street in Torrance. No injuries were reported in that incident. Chase said that in both instances police came across vehicles they thought were similar to the one Dorner is believed to be driving. Neither vehicle was Dorner's. "Now it appears neither of them are directly related," Chase said. "In both of them, officers believed they were at the time."
10 posted on 02/08/2013 12:09:56 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Drago
Two women delivering news papers?

Obviously these cops believed in the old saying; “Shoot first and ask questions later”.

And maybe this one too; “Kill them all and let God sort them out”.

11 posted on 02/08/2013 12:11:59 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
You would be surprised how many times I've confused two women delivering news papers with a 6 foot tall 300 pound man.

I totally understand how this could happen /s

The picture of the truck can be viewed here: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families

Picture #5 (I'd post it but I'm not sure of the copyright issues for CNN)

Those women had God on their side today, its a miracle that they survived and I pray they make a full recovery

12 posted on 02/08/2013 12:23:11 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Pontiac

You have nothing to fear people. We are the good guys.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 12:28:31 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: voteNRA

In pic #6 it says the police are armed with high-powered firearms. Why doesn’t it say ‘assault rifles?’ And why do the police need assault rifles with high-capacity magazines? Shouldn’t they be carrying pistols with 7 round mags or Citori 28 ga. skeet guns?


14 posted on 02/08/2013 12:33:05 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Drago

It’s the fault of Sarah Palin, NRA and the Tea Party. /s


15 posted on 02/08/2013 12:38:54 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: voteNRA
Thanks for the link.

So they mistakenly shoot up a BLUE pickup truck when they are looking for a GREY pickup truck.

On cops side though I will give them that the first number and letter on the women’s license plate are the same as the truck they are looking for.

These cops a scared sh!tless and are shooting at anything that moves.

16 posted on 02/08/2013 12:42:03 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Drago

Pretty sad. But cops are scared today. Going about my business in several LA county areas with different police forces, I saw many, many more cops today out and abut than ever before in one day.

I hope none get shot tonight.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 12:43:14 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: TigersEye
I agree, if the cops that shot up that truck were limited to 7 round mags those women would have been much better off.

Looking at the picture in #5 I am of the opinion that those holes were not caused by .223 ammo in the "assault weapons" by by the much bigger ammo fired by their duty pistols, probably .40 - but those guns are not "scary looking" yet.

The cheap tin box with a spring that loads probably 12 or 15 rounds is "scary looking" and needs to be banned but the same tin box with a spring that loads 7 is good for now.

I think that is how we are supposed to look at things now if I'm up to date?

18 posted on 02/08/2013 12:44:37 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Pontiac
Yep, this will take some crafty speech for us to "understand" and accept what happened.

If you do the twitter thing #LAPD has been trending on the issue all day and there is a bunch of info there

19 posted on 02/08/2013 12:47:40 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: voteNRA

That’s pretty good but we will probably never really understand the rationale fully. Unless we find ourselves dehydrated near to death or poisoned by acetyl ketones or something.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 12:50:58 AM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Yaelle
"Pretty sad. But cops are scared today. Going about my business in several LA county areas with different police forces, I saw many, many more cops today out and abut than ever before in one day."

Stay safe Yalle, hope this is over soon!

21 posted on 02/08/2013 12:52:39 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: Yaelle
I hope none get shot tonight.

Really? I hope every one of the dumb bas****s that would shoot at a truck that "looks like" one they are hunting gets their a**es thrown in jail. That is the only justice Americans are likely to get in these cases where cops are so scared sh**less they can't check things out before shooting innocent bystanders.

Who I hope doesn't get shot tonight are any more people who have nothing what so ever to do with the crime these ignorant cops tried to gun innocents down for.

22 posted on 02/08/2013 1:04:37 AM PST by calex59
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To: TigersEye
And that's why its so hard to fight back against the "rationale" of the gun grabbers. Nothing they do or say makes any sense so its completely impossible for rational people to anticipate and form a defense; thus we are always caught off guard.

Just watch, the people that claim that only the military and police need guns will turn this bastard around to make a case for taking away our firearms. Even though the dude is a leftist Read cop-killer Chris Dorner’s anti-gun rant: Love for Obama, Clinton, Piers Morgan, Charlie Sheen

23 posted on 02/08/2013 1:09:23 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t have much experience with firearms, but from reading what other FReepers have said through the years, the 5.56 round is certainly not high-powered.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 1:11:09 AM PST by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: Drago

Women Shot By Police in Case of Mistaken Identity in Ex-LAPD Officer's Manhunt

VIDEO report at link. . .

The manhunt for murder suspect Christopher Dorner led to two separate shootings involving two newspaper deliverywomen and a driver Thursday morning. Police opened fire when they noticed trucks matching the description of Dorner'sapproached the home of an LAPD officer who's named in the suspect's manifesto. Conan Nolan reports from Torrance for the NBC4 News at 5 p.m. on Feb. 7, 2013.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-Shot-in-Case-of-Mistaken-ID-in-Ex-Officers-Manhunt-190238221.html

25 posted on 02/08/2013 1:19:44 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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They were probably ugly.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 1:29:23 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Drago

I’m surprised the LAPD hasn’t charged the victims. (Or maybe they would have if there wasn’t video.)


27 posted on 02/08/2013 1:41:42 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: FReepers
KTLA 5 News - Los Angeles

Two Women Shot In Vehicle Mistaken For Dorner's

They are mother and daughter. . . 71 year old Emma Hernandez was shot in the back. . . and her daughter was injured by the shattered glass. . .

Witness says 30 to 40 or more guns shots. . . Both survived. . . they have hired an attorney. . .

Attorney: "There was no warning, there was no orders or no commands, just gunshots".

Police spokesman: :Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers".

http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/two-women-shot-in-vehicle-mistaken-for-dorners-chip-yost-reports/#axzz2KIWILb7f

28 posted on 02/08/2013 1:48:57 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: P-Marlowe
Yes, it looks like 40 or more bullet holes in the rear hatch and rear window of the women's pickup truck. The cops were waiting and watching a house on this street, but I wonder why it's the back of the truck that was shot up?
29 posted on 02/08/2013 2:13:40 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Drago

And more and more I see why good people no longer trust law enforcement...and fools still do.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 2:21:59 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: y'all
CBS 2 - Los Angeles

Video of shooting victim at link. . .

... In a news conference, Police Chief Charlie Beck said the officers thought the women’s royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched the description of Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan pickup truck ... Jonas finds that hard to believe.

[The women's attorney Glen Jonas is quoted]

“The vehicle is a different color. The license plate doesn’t match. There’s nothing there for you to start shooting people. And even if they had the person in question… Mr. Dorner…you still have to give them an opportunity to get out. You can’t just start administering street justice,” said Jonas.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/2-innocent-women-shot-during-manhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

31 posted on 02/08/2013 2:24:13 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Drago

Highly untrained..alot of these guys (cops) are scary.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:46 AM PST by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: deks

I said it before and I will say it again. Whenever people say only trained professionals should be armed because armed civilians will likely hurt themselves or innocent bystanders, I will remind them of this and other incidents like this one (NYC - Street Shootout where most bullets hit people other than the perp).


33 posted on 02/08/2013 2:40:00 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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“KCAL9’s Jeff Nguyen said she was listed in good condition.”

And this link says that Hernandez, the 71-year old woman delivering newspapers, was in stable condition late Thursday.


The officers riddled the women’s blue pickup with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue. Carranza was also hit, according to attorney Glen T. Jonas, and received stitches to a finger.

“The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn’t take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don’t look like a large black man,” Jonas said.

Dorner is black, 6 feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-newspaper-carrier-icu-shot-by-police.html


34 posted on 02/08/2013 2:54:26 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Drago

35 posted on 02/08/2013 3:18:07 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: BCW

Looks like another Beer Summit is in order! Cops acting stupidly and all....


36 posted on 02/08/2013 3:40:44 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: Drago

It is ok for cops to have guns and carry anywhere off duty because they are “trained” ...unlike me who goes to the range weekly...or did until homeland security bought all my bullets!


37 posted on 02/08/2013 3:45:42 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: BCW

Bravo. The tatted-up Fife is most impressive. What’s really funny is what you wrote all over him. LOL.


38 posted on 02/08/2013 3:53:20 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Drago
Because a blue Toyota Tundra looks JUST LIKE the the gray Nissan Titan the perp was known to be in. This is the deliver ladies' vehicle the cops shot up:

They also shot up a black (not gray) Honda Ridgeline, which is a pretty distinctive looking mini-pickup that looks nothing like a Nissan Titan.

So these donut-munchers just stink all-around on vehicle recognition, which you would think should be a pretty basic job requirements.

39 posted on 02/08/2013 3:55:00 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: deks
"“The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn’t take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don’t look like a large black man,” Jonas said."

Now the police can worry about some street justice from the Hispanic community, as well as whatever Dorner is doing.

40 posted on 02/08/2013 3:56:54 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Drago

Always remember: the police don’t carry guns to protect you. They carry guns to protect themselves from you.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 4:00:44 AM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Drago

42 posted on 02/08/2013 4:03:29 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: VanShuyten

Because people killed in gang violence don’t matter as much as cops and their family.

Human nature. Non cops are viewed as the same level of “real”. The nature of the job makes it a very tight culture. Which is why this guy may have been fired. Rule #1 is you don’t rat on other cops.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 4:12:06 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Drago

They’re looking for one three hundred lb, 6” black guy so they shoot two Hispanic women.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 4:19:11 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: redgolum; VanShuyten
Rule #1 is you don’t rat on other cops.

Which is why police should not be trusted.

45 posted on 02/08/2013 4:20:24 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: JoeProBono

46 posted on 02/08/2013 4:23:09 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Drago

It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering.


I know, I know (while holding up my hand and waving it). It was a pro-American newspaper!

That will teach them a lesson in trying to get the words of freedom out in the Marxist state of Californica. No, that’s not a misspelling.


47 posted on 02/08/2013 4:24:48 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Bon mots

;-{)


48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:28:48 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: P-Marlowe

I saw that photo, that was insane. I couldn’t believe they weren’t killed. Unreal. I have a friend who lives in the area. While the nutjob is a worry, the cops after him are perhaps a much bigger worry.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 4:32:05 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Drago

I was watching the news earlier. Apparently the two women shot were driving vehicles the same make, model, year and color as that of the shooter. Other cops just opened up on the vehicles, because they thought the shooter was driving.
From then number of bullet holes in their vehicle. I’m amazed the women weren’t killed.


50 posted on 02/08/2013 4:32:45 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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